- What do they want?
- Generally?
- Specifically?
- All the time?
- How do they get it?
- What happens when they don't?
- What happens when they do?
I was trying to work this out for my writing, but I know I have some blind spots.
There are obvious "bro code" answers here that folks that know nothing about the realities of pick up will just fill in - but there are definitely things that are not obvious, unless you've been in the scene for a while.
Generally and specifically...
They want similar things men want, but it's expressed in different ways.
They want
pleasure (which can be derived from attention, compliments, kissing, sex, etc.). However, since women play the pursued role in seduction, they tend to want more "active" pleasures that show effort/commitment. This is why you see a lot of women in relationships become bored/unsatisfied - the man isn't continually giving active effort, even if passively he shows a lot of signs about his commitment (helps her with the mortgage, groceries, kisses, takes her on date night, etc. all very strong signs of devotion and love but it doesn't really hit the same way a genuine seduction does).
An active effort to give her pleasure needs the man to continuously play the role of the pursuer and be sweet but also aggressive in his romantic and sexual lust for her. When he tells her she's beautiful, it should really come out in his fundamentals (facial expressions, body language, tonality, etc), in just the same way it comes out when you first approach a girl. But if he does it in a lazy way, she won't believe it and the pleasure she feels will go down.
This is why women communicate so passively with their games of "nothing" responses when you ask if they're upset. They literally ENJOY the pursuit of you continuously asking and prodding and poking, in the same way they like when men are persistent and lustful in their escalations. They not only want to feel your pursuit, they want to REALLY feel it committed and reiterated.
They derive pleasure from being the RECIPIENT of effort and GIVING results (rewarding you with blowjobs and pussy).
Whereas men derive pleasure from the EFFORT ITSELF and RECEIVING RESULTS they get from the woman giving hints, pushing, pulling, and the escalation all the way until sex. It's the same reason why women don't necessarily need to cum from sex to have a good time (that one scene from the first season of True Detective is a great example. Rust finishes in just a few strokes, but the chick has an amazing times and loses her mind from all of the sexiness of the experience; it's not a great example given he's smashing his partner/friend's wife, but it's still a good example of women enjoying sex). Whereas men are more consistently chasing the nut. This isn't to say women don't WANT to cum (of course they do), and men can't enjoy the foreplay and the sex itself, but men and women generally chase pleasure via different roads, even if it ends up at the same place.
Things that give pleasure: compliments about her body and obvious SIGNS of attraction to her body (stares, check outs, etc), passionate and deep conversation about interesting topics, fun activities (horse riding, go-carting), and sex.
Men also like these things, but we derive them MORE from results-based things (e.g., competing and winning, learning new things, discovering new things, etc). Women also can derive pleasure from these things, but it's not as powerful as it is for men.
Here's a good example: once I was having a quasi-threesome (I didn't end up fucking the third girl, just fingering her and eating her out) and while I was absolutely destroying my lover, the other girl was next to us on the couch watching and kissing me as I fucked my girl.
A few times as I was really giving it to my girl, the other chick was stroking my chest and literally moaning and gasping whenever I'd REALLY get into it and growl/moan. it was like she was having mini-orgasms just SEEING, HEARING, and FEELING me ravage this other chick in front of her.
She was deriving her pleasure from the PASSION.
Whereas with us men, when we watch porn, we don't get so much pleasure from the guy himself, but the girl's RESPONSES (i.e., her moaning and delight), because those are RESULTS that we're doing a good JOB.
Whereas for the girl, her pleasure is in the EXCITEMENT OF EFFORT. She's passively being hot/sexy/wet/tight and we're crazy for that.
In practice, it's really ALMOST the same, but it is a bit distinct.
This is a lot of what entails arousal in Chase's model (SAC) or lust in my model, LLT (love lust trust).
Women also want
to be loved.
Women want to feel safety/security, yeah, and also want to belong, yeah, but those are more survival strategies, not seduction strategies (even though seduction strategies will often be ENTANGLED in survival strategies, especially up until recently with a lack of abundance via technology...but they are distinct and separate drives). Men can survive more in solitude than women on average, but men still need community also for the most part, aside from very rare exceptions. But this is just temperaments of the sexes being expressed on methods of survival; it's not the root cause of why they have different temperaments.
Men want to love.
Women want to be loved.
That's not to say women don't also want to love and men don't want to be loved, but they derive MORE from their natural tendencies.
Men want something to chase, women want to be chased. Or, to avoid the negative connotation of "chased" here, considering we're on Girls Chase, let's call it "pursued."
Just as women want to be the PURSUED on a sexual level, they also want to be the pursued/chased/receiver in ROMANCE also. In every romantic/sexual relationship, there is a dominant (pursuer) and submissive (pursued). It's just a preference of temperament.
The reason it gets so out of whack in seductions/relationships, is many men begin to subsume the role of wanting to be the pursued/loved, either out of laziness ("I'm tired of doing all the work") + a feminine temperament conditioned by so many different things (culture, family, karma, etc).
Red-pillers call the process beta-ization or whatever and it has validity, but it's not some malicious drive by women (at least in most cases), it's just a natural consequence of men eventually breaking under the pressure, cuz skill issues.
What makes it a bit complicated is that it sort of looks the other way around sometimes - women who worship the man in sex and in the relationship (he's the king of the household). They express their affection through service/servitude/obedience/submission because THAT'S HOW THEY PERCEIVE LOVE. They're just using the language they're used to and the language they value!
Whereas men speak the language of EFFORT/PROBLEM-SOLVING/RESULTS so that's how men show love (as said before, paying for the mortgage, buying groceries, etc). To men, RESULTS ARE KING. THE PROOF IS IN THE ROOF OVER OUR HEADS.
But to women, the proof is in the SERVICE. That's why you can spend 10 hours with a girl and she's not satisfied! Because you didn't
really spend 10 hours with her in girl-time.
But if you're good, you can spend 1 hour with your wife and she feels happy! (I know because I do it! My wife will ask for attention, I'll talk with her deeply and completely for an hour or two then she'll straight up tell me "okay, I'm happy! Thank you, baby! You can go play games or whatever!" and be happy as a bird (and it helps when I crush her pussy, too).
You can literally think of good game as just reversing girl-game and giving her exactly what she wants - and then she'll give you what you want - either a slobbery-choking-to-death-blowjob or doting kisses and excited hugs when you come home!
So what do women want? THEY WANT TO BE LOVED!
How is love shown? Validation they are good people, compliments about personality and how they handled certain situations, time and energy spent on her and with her (vacations, date nights, or even just literally listening to her actively and intently!), a genuine smile that SHOWS HER HOW YOU FEEL AND DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE SAID.
What is love?
Just work backwards from the actual activity of love and how women respond and it becomes clear (and women say it all the time but no one fucking listens!)
Love is being seen, understood, and appreciated.
There you go. Ez pz. Thousands of years of philosophers and they couldn't figure that out.
Love and lust are DISTINCT AND SEPARATE THINGS BUT WOMEN WANT BOTH, they just happen to look really similar sometimes because women want it done in the same way -
towards them, to them, in their direction, at them, SINCE THEY PLAY THE RECEIVER ROLE.
This is why you can seduce women who you have little in common with, because so long as you can show them you truly see, understand, and appreciate them, that's all they want!
That's their goal! And if you ALSO happen to trigger their lust, then they fuck you! (well ALMOST).
The last thing is trust.
They WANT to feel physically safe, sure. But that's a survival mechanism, not necessarily a seductive mechanism.
They wan to feel emotionally safe. How do they do that? This is where a lot of women's testing and watching and analyzing comes into play....
Watch this...
They dress up pretty and do all the makeup stuff (to draw sexual pursuers - LUST/PLEASURE). They do their approach invitations, escalation windows, and flirting (more receiver-role games to get you pursuing deeper and deeper into the seduction).
While they're doing that, they're also learning about you and telling you about THEM so that MAYBE they can find someone who they connect with (either because you two are similar OR because despite being different or even opposites, you can still manage to see, understand, and appreciate her).
BUT ALL THE WHILE THEY'RE DOING THESE TWO THINGS - DERIVING PLEASURE/LUST AND LOVE (which is another form of pleasure actually) - they're watching to see if they can TRUST what their eyes, ears, and nose, and mind are telling them.
Is he really this way? Is he always this way or is this just an act? Is this all he has to him or is there more? Is he being honest or lying? Is he really enjoying himself and connecting with me or is this just a way to get sex/attention? Is he really turned on by me, or is he just desperate for a warm body and anyone will do?
All of these questions come back to one quality - TRUST.
Can he be trusted? Can I BE TRUSTED or am I just a delusional chick who is ovulating or heartbroken because of a recent breakup and desperate for love?
As for men, we care much less about trust in the seduction phase UNLESS we're screening her for a girlfriend/wife role, which many men are because they don't understand how game works.
But women are always scanning for trust, even if it's a one-night thing, because of
1. Yes, physical safety
2. Emotional consistency both from you AND herself (even if she wants to get used like a whore, she still wants a nice story behind it and some feelings! Romance novels are great examples of this)
If she has trust in these things, and she'll discover that trust or lack thereof by closely scrutinizing and analyzing for inconsistencies, then she will be OPEN to building a connection (love) and engaging in pleasure together (kissing, foreplay, and sex).
Think of trust as the gatekeeper of love (connection) and pleasure (lust/sex).
So what do women want?
Love, lust, and trust.
To be loved, to be desired (which is the main way they derive pleasure), and to trust you enough to open up to these possibilities.
How they go about eliciting love and pleasure depends on the woman and their particular niche, what they know, what they don't know, etc.
All sorts of interesting combinations can happen here.
Women can be drawn to what they know/like, because it's easy to figure out, but if a guy comes along with good enough game/fundamentals and is totally different from her usual taste (whether in style, race, profession, etc), he can hit a home run and totally rock her world.
This is why every seduction is potentially so different from another. She might be a completely different woman on this day or this month or this year than she was X time before. Or she's just completely different from the other woman you went on a date with not long ago, because they really are that different.
This is where women who say "we all don't like the same thing! we can be put into some box and be made the butt of some mathematical equation!" are actually kinda right, they just don't see the overarching principles that connect most straight women. Women can like lots of different things and be attracted to different types of guys, but overall, they're all still drawn to the same pleasure structure (e.g., almost all women, even super dominant women, want to be absolutely destroyed in bed and will enjoy it FAR more than they would be the dominant one).
So, every woman is going to want love and pleasure, and they will go about it in generally the same way, but there can be moments of inconsistency (e.g., she's so horny she'll actually approach a guy or he's so far above her league she's willing to go against her natural tendencies as the pursued and be a pursuer, because the desire for pleasure trumps her natural tendencies).
What happens when they don't?
It depends. Some women give up completely and turn into rabid feminists, just like men turn into MGTOW's or incels.
Or if they're in a relationship, they're start to sulk. Some will cheat (those will bad moral character), while some who have virtuous characters will plead/communicate with the man until he fixes the problem or gives up (in which case they leave).
What happens when they do?
They're happy and want more! Until they hit the point of momentary satisfaction, as Chase points out, but eventually, they will want more. Craving is never-ending - that's its nature! It's possible she eventually wants something different, but if a guy understands the natural framework of what women want - love and pleasure and trust - then they should never really have a problem, so long as they're willing to put in the effort as well.
Wisdom + effort = happy woman
A woman's never really going to stop wanting to be loved and fucked hard. No matter what permutation of man she uses to get it (personality, race, profession, temperament, etc), she's going to end up desiring the same damn thing.
Hard dick and to be cherished.
Every problem you have with a girl in seduction OR relationship involves love, lust, or trust (or multiples at the same time).
I would go so far as to say that even women who are crazy are still manageable to a certain extent, you're just going to have to accept the moments of insanity and be willing to endure them and give the right antidote she needs [e.g., as Chase pointed out, girls who have issues might NEED you to withdraw attention/interest because then when they chase after it and you give it back to them, that's how they get their dose of pleasure (hard rough make up sex?)/love (a momentary severance then reconnection demonstrates MORE love to them)/security (trust that you're WILLING to endure hard times/inconsistencies/craziness from her, which makes her trust you)].
I'm not saying you SHOULD deal with women like that - no pussy is worth that effort - but you certainly CAN pull it off. I just don't know why you would want to....
I kinda went off there, but overall your question of
Generally, specifically, all the time - it's really (almost) all the time love, lust, and trust.
She just might be full on one thing (love from nice boyfriend) but crave another she's not getting (hard dick from badboy), but that doesn't mean she doesn't need love any more, she's just temporarily full on it, but will need it soon enough again (that's why badboys struggle with LTRs but do great with casual sex - they provide 1/3rd of the equation really well).
I would actually go so far as to say that most women want trust all the time - the cases where you see women craving chaos/instability even if there is love/lust, you're not seeing that
either
1. She isn't actually getting fucked that good or connecting with that guy very well
or
2. She doesn't have ENOUGH trust. It's weird to think about it, but she's causing issues to test the STRENGTH of the trust to see if you'll provide more so she can be EXTRA SURE. That's why girls with anxiety are so hard to date - you need to give them metric-fuck-tons of trust before they REALLY believe it.
The reason why you see so much flip-flop with women is that most men (99%?) don't know how to provide ALL THREE aspects. Most men suck at all 3, some are good at one, few are good at two, and almost none are good at all 3.
So yeah, there you go
I'm DEFINITELY going to turn this into an article!
I probably need to go into more detail about how this all plays out in actual game-scenarios, but that would make it a monstrous article and require a lot more writing but you should be able to work backwards with this equation and see how women's game plays out in its search for love, lust, and trust from the PURSUED perspective (e.g., when women "chase" men they still don't take the active leader role in the seduction, they just drop more hints/open up more).
tl;dr:
Women want to be loved, to be lusted after/the object of lust, and trust the man who is doing it - all from a receiver/pursued role
Men want to actively do the loving, have something to lust FOR, and be TRUSTED as they do it - all from the giver/pursuer role
Both men and women want what the other sex likes ALSO, but they tend to like their natural tendency MORE.
And what will women do to get it? Damn near anything! Lol. Hopefully they're moral about it, though. But usually it's all done from the pursued role and done passively.
Hector
www.girlschase.com
