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When a girl says "i'm not sure what i want"

Timothy01

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Hey!

So long story long, i've started dating this girl. She's 22, quite shy (socially and with boys), never had a boyfriend, in fact, the first date she's ever been was with me. We started dating 1-1,5 month ago, but we know each other for a year, we are in a university group kinda thing together.

The first date went great, spent the whole afternoon together and went home after midnight, you could just see her positive body language. The second date was a little bit flat and i was worried, so i grabbed her hand when i walked her home. When we said goodbye, you could just feel the awkwardness on her face, i think it was way too fast for her, but she didn't pull away or anythin during holding hands. I messaged her saying that it might have been too fast for her and she said yes it was and said that she can be awkward and doesn't know how to handle situations like this.

After this, we went out again for our 3rd date and i brought up our messaging. She said that she was glad that i asked her out but i made too big gestures with the hand-holding and i also wrote her a letter when i was abroad (not a big deal, it was the same as we were talking) and she's not sure what she wants and she lets me know when she made a decision, but doesn't want to stop seeing me, but she wants more simpler dates, not like the first one which was too long. She also expressed that she never went on a date and stuff like this, explaining that she don't know how to handle this and also the fact that we're in a group together and how it will be within the group if this doesn't end well.

I know this is a textbook red flag, but the fact that she said she still wants to try gave me a little hope. Also, this girl is genuinely inexperienced, so not somebody who would drag you along like a lot of girls.

How would you handle this situation? I feel like i should give her some time, but how long is too long? Also as i mentioned we're in a group together, so we see each other once a week, where there's hardly any talking between us. I think it's a little bit weird for her that we're in this group together while seeing each other, but even i can't handle this, like talking to her within this group like nothing happened, so she might feel like "i'm not cool enough" if i can't make small talk and joke around. But when we're together, i can.

Since she's very unsure about everything, i feel like it matters very much how i behave and show that i'm in charge and sure of myself, but somehow also giving her some space and not rush things. Not sure how to do this though.

I feel like i'm on a razor's edge here and the whole thing succeeds or fails on a very small thing.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

lostnumber

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The key is to know what YOU want. Humans in general, when lacking a clear idea of what to do, will follow the most decisive and confident person present. This is the foundation of leadership, and is important in all social interactions, not just seducing women. You've been way too indecisive with this girl and moved way too slowly, and now she does not feel comfortable allowing you to lead the interaction.

You should NEVER apologize for escalating or trying to move things forward with a girl. (exception would be if you really cross the line, or she outright tells you that you did something that made her very uncomfortable) Holding hands on a second date?? Its hard to get less threatening than that.

This girl has zero experience and is going to take her cues from the people around her, especially from you. She even said in her message to you "she doesn't know how to handle things like this" If you'd acted like holding hands was the most normal thing in the world she might have been uncomfortable at first but would have come to view it as a normal thing and respected you more for taking the lead. Instead you caved in the second she showed a sign of discomfort, and reinforced her natural instincts that as a woman she should be taking it slow with men

she's not sure what she wants and she lets me know when she made a decision, but doesn't want to stop seeing me, but she wants more simpler dates,

Classic girl behavior, hardwired in genetically. She wants to keep you waiting around while she assesses her options. MAYBE someday, eventually, if you prove yourself enough and she decides she can't attract any better options, she'll decide to sleep with you.

I'm not going to lie, you are not in a great spot here. You've given away all your sexual/romantic power to the girl. And worse, you've given your power away to a girl who clearly is not very experienced and doesn't know what to do with it!

If you want to take this girl as your lover you need to restablish control and do it quickly. Thats going to be extremely difficult now that you've freely given it away. If you want to know how I'd handle it, I would have a short and simple date with the girl (which is what she asked for) and at some point during the date get her to move with you somewhere private and then try to kiss her. For example, go out for food somewhere and then go for a walk where you walk her to some secluded park or whatnot. You'll need to prep beforehand to determine an optimal location

Given what you've done so far and your description of this girl, I think your odds of success are low. She will almost certainly put up resistance that you will need to try and overcome. But thats good experience, and you'll be practicing the things you should do right away with the next girl. Its also probably your best shot (even if not a good one) of making something happen with this girl. Unless you really want to commit to following her around like a puppy and hoping she'll eventually make up her mind

This isn't a great scenario youve put yourself in, but you are absolutely doing the right thing by coming here for advice and trying to learn from the experience. Regardless of what you decide to do I wish you the best of luck!
 

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lostnumber said:
You've been way too indecisive with this girl and moved way too slowly, and now she does not feel comfortable allowing you to lead the interaction.

I tried to be very decisive with her all the time. I did not apologise for holding her hand, I said "I want to grab your hand" and held it while I walked her home for the last few hundred meters. I just wrote her a message afterwards stating that I felt that she was uncomfortable BUT i would do the same thing because I wanted to express that I'm having a good time. I know it still wasn't a good idea to put words in her mouth but she was so obviously uncomfortable with the situation that it did not really matter. And I think she was uncomfortable because of her personality and lack of experience and not because of my behaviour.

BTW, we're both catholics, so I'm not looking for a hookup or a lover, but for a serious relationship. Maybe I'm in a wrong place, but there's not a lot of platforms where I can go with my question and where I would receive a serious answer, so thank you very much for taking me seriously.

So as I said, I was very decisive for the whole time, "never asked a question", I always asked her out kinda telling, as it should be. On our third date, I also expressed that I know that she's inexperienced and uncomfortable, but I'm here and I feel like she's worth it.

I honestly don't know what I did wrong. As I mentioned, even her best friend says she's very hard to deal with. She's extroverted and brings a lot of things from home. Also taking the university way too seriously and kinda making herself feel bad about it. When we go out as a group, she leaves like 8pm, so when she says "I want 1-2 hour dates", to me, it sounds like that's the amount of time she's feeling comfortable and it has nothing to do with me.

All in all, I don't think that trying to kiss her is a good idea at this point. I feel like she needs time, but this can also be dangerous. I think the key is to make her comfortable and not to talk her as someone I'm dating, more like a friend. When we are in this group, she's always talking to guys that makes her feel comfortable (even if she doesn't like them that much), because she's socially awkward and doesn't want to talk to someone new.

I feel like I should just grab her hand and say "listen, I know you're scared of the outcome and what happens within the group if something goes wrong, but I feel like it's a mistake not to try something good because of a possible bad outcome. and just like we can handle things now, we will be able to handle it if something goes wrong, but for now, I would just concentrate on the good things."

I think this whole thing is not about me but about her insecurities and difficulties. I feel like if another 1000 guys would try with her, the result would be the same. Of course it doesn't really change my situation as I need to solve this somehow either way. But it might be good that it's not about me meaning maybe she does attracted to me, just these other things holding her back, if that makes sense.
 

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BTW, we're both catholics, so I'm not looking for a hookup or a lover, but for a serious relationship. Maybe I'm in a wrong place, but there's not a lot of platforms where I can go with my question and where I would receive a serious answer, so thank you very much for taking me seriously.

For future reference, you should definitely lead with this. Your goals are completely different than most on this forum, and thus your methods will need to be as well. Everything in my post was geared towards the objective of you taking this girl as your lover. If that isn't your goal it likely won't be of much use to you

You are welcome to the forum, I am sure there is much you can learn here, as a lot of what we focus on are human behavioral principles that transcend just sex. But I dont know that I personally can help you given that your goals are so different to mine.

If you are looking for a long-term partnership my answer (and the answer of most here) would be to take this girl as your lover as quickly as possible, because that will put you in the drivers seat when it comes to the relationship trajectory. I respect the fact that you are choosing a different path due to your religion, but it will be a much more difficult one.

Maybe someone else on the forum has a background more similar to yours and can give greater insight

Best of luck
 
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