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Ree

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Why won't women approach men?

 Male female interactions seem to go against the rules of economics .
 If we both agree that for the perpetuation of the species,women need men as much as men need women,and if the number of women is equal to the number of men,
Then the supply is absolutely equal to the demand
  Why is it then that in most species it is the male chasing the woman,would it not be evolutionarily advantageous if both of them would seek each other out and meet halfway?
  Now this is a problem that I am eager to hear your theories on,
And I would like to hear your thoughts on my hypothesis


  
  The   MALE side of the EQUATION

Now the male mechanism for this is widely understood and I don't think I will be writing anything new here,but just 
as a refresher course il just outline it.
 Genetics plays a role in personality 
In a scenario where the male has a personality of aggressively pursuing females,then that particular individual will have a higher chance of having more offspring,and the offspring will inherit his female pursuing genes.
  In a scenario where the male was shy and coy,they would have less children than the aggressive male,and so in each successive generation ,
Infancy depending on how shy the male is,it might die without getting a chance to pass on its meek mild mannered coy sex avoiding genes.
  Anyway The aggressive polygamous hedonistic males sleeping with strangers will be having more children(and more generations) than the shy coy males,
  after enough iterations this would result in a world where practically all the males are descendants of aggressive sexual seeking males.
The males would inherit these genes,


     The female side of the equation

This is the side ,where i am yet to find a fulfiling solution,
I will offer a novel explanation,as with most novel explanations,it might be something that is totally wrong,
   it might also be something that is totally known,and it is only me who was  ignorant of it being known( in my ignorance and arrogance.)
    Now as we have seen regardless of age,or species.
a male who has a personality that makes it want to have sex with every femele is very successful biologically.
 Now  for a female things would are obviously  different.
Because if we look around at most vertebraes,we find females that are shy and coy,this must mean that this personality type must have been more advantageous for females than being sexually aggresive.
But why is this?
   A lot of biologist say this Is because biologically the female invests more heavily in child rearing than the male,
(to make a child the female has to carry it in the womb at great personal discomfort ,whereas to make a child all a man has to do is  ejaculate)
     I disagree with this theory because the investment is constant.
In other words ,wether the female was sexually aggressive or wether she was shy and coy,her investment would be the same.
   Infact If a female was running around looking to fuck anyone,she would probably have more children than the coy shy female who needed to be forced,charmed ,coerced or persuaded.
Being coy would not be advantageous,it is true that the female invests more but this is not a factor because wether she is coy or she is aggresive ,the investment is the same
       A social scientist might point out that a shy coy female who needed to be persuaded before engaging in sex would have a higher probability of finding a man that would  help with the rearing of the young,while a female who just fucked strangers would have to rear the child alone.
  Again I reject this argument .
The argument seems to makes sense,but only because you are a human reading this.
That argument  is only valid for species where the male has a role in child rearing.
 In animals like cats,rabbits,flies and leopards where the male has absolutely no role in child rearing,that argument fails to explain why it is that the females of this species are still coy,and it is the males that have to pursue them.
In other words wether a female house cat got fucked the first minute it met the male,or wether it played hard to get for a month is irrelevant ,in both scenarios the male still won't help with child rearing,so why would evolution have favored the coy shy females that we see,over the sexually aggresive females that failed to survive?

        
  REEZ THEORY OF HOW STRUCTURAL DIFFERNCES IN THE SEXES CAN INFLUENCE NATURAL SELECTION

                     Foreword

  Most differences between sexes are caused by sexual selection(the sexual preferences of any given sex)
   Differences between species are usually caused by natural selection(the preferences of the environment )
  I am hesitant to categorize this theory as natural selection because my hypothesis revolves around not the enviroment,but the females own anatomy
    I will place it under natural selection not because i am confident it fits there,but because I am confident it doesn't fit under sexual selection

                           Without further ado

   Immature males aren't able to procreate,
however if a particularly sexually aggresive male child attempted to mate,they would do not come off the worse from the attempt.
  So with males the earlier you attempt to procreate the better.
In the worst case scenario you will come off unscathed ,in the best case scenario you will get a descendant with your aggresive genes.
        With females it is not so rosy.
 Just like its male counterpart An immature female cannot procreate,however
If she makes an attempt  too early the results may be very disastrous.
   Even at the best of times ,intercouse ,pregnancy and childbirth are very biologically strenuous events for the female.
  But for an underage female these events range from permanent damage to fatal .
Evolution has been described as design by a blind watchmaker,a bunch of random abitrary traits manifest themselves from genes,
    Organisms with advantageous traits survive long enough to pass on those advantageous genes,organisms with disadvantageous traits die without having passed on those disdvantageous genes.
   Now a female who has been born with a very strong sexual urge,
Might start to look for sex,when her body is not yet mature enough to procreate,intact she doesn't even have to look for it,there are males all around looking for sex,all the Female would have to do to het sex is to not actively repel it.
This event will be very painful,it will be traumatic both emotionally and phsically,
.we are only looking at things that will effect her ability to pass on genes.
  It has been heavily documented in humans,that if an underage girl has sex,the physical trauma might make her sterile.
  Minors will also have a higher chance of getting complications during childbirth ,in a far by gone age before civilization ,complications invariably spelt death for both mother and child.
    I have personally witnessed that in rabbits,in the event that  the doe gets pregnant when she is too young,(4-5 months),she almost always never survives the child birth.
 Also if we go away from such dramatic tragic endings,even if the worst that happens is just that the female gets severe emotional trauma,this might make her vehemently avoid sex in the future,
      All these events result in a scenario where all the females that actively pursued sex,contributed a smaller number of descendants than the females who shunned it.
   The females who had a personality that made them want to avoid sex,would have resisted sexual advances enough for them to mature.
  Someone may note,and it is undoubtedly true that a female who went to the other extreme end of the spectrum ,a female who resisted sex even at her prime,would also not pass on  her prudish sex resisting genes to any descendants.(because she would have no descendants).
     Now if it is true that we are all descendants of aggresive males who pursue sex at every stage of their lives,and descendants of coy shy females who have an innate fear of sex ,that is especially pronounced at the earlier age sof their lives (0-6 months for rabbits,0-21 yrs for humans)
   This would serve to explain our economic puzzle 
Most females will always seek sex less aggresive,y than males,and some will even actively evade it,simply because it is the personality traits that must have been most advantageous for that sex,
Some females will exhibit this behavior throughout their lives,but even as it happens with humans,where once a certain age is reached the fear fades  (I have yet,to see a woman in her thirties who sees sex as a big deal,and I am yet to see a woman in her twenties who doesn't ,most of my seducer friend avoid young women specifically for this reason).
Anyway,as I was saying , it is advantageous(or atleast not disadvanatgeous for the males to start seeking out sex as early as possible ,)while this is not true for their female counterparts.
     ,then we know see that the rules of supply and demand still apply,even though the number of males may be equal to that of females.
females   Will still be more in demand because at any given time  there are more males seeking females than females seeking males.
   Now once this precedent has been set in motion ,females regardless of age,will usually never need to actively seek out males,because of the simple fact that they don't need to.,males are busy seeking them.
 A female who spent her time seeking out males will do so at the cost of time she may have spent looking for food plus she may put heself at the risk of encountering predators.
   This risks and cost are also encountered by males ,the only difference is ,if the male doesn't seek out the female ,he wont get a female to pass his cowardly lazy meek genes to .
  But because males are already seeking females ,because of the supply demand difference ,a cowardly female will still get a male.without running the risk of getting lost,or eaten like a bold female.
 So no matter what century you are on,and no matter what you think of equality
If you are a male,it will probably have to be you making the first move,not because of women are malicious,or manipulative or proud.
  It is simply because most of the women who had personalities that pushed them to make the first move died,and their bold hedonstic first move making genes died with them.
 

Bboy100

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Check this out. I think it will answer your questions: http://thematinggrounds.com/qa-why-do-m ... ach-women/

The highlights are thus:
1. More sexually aggressive males (i.e. males who seek out sex) are more successful. Since these are the type of males who continue on to the next generation, this decreases the necessity for women to approach. This has happened through so many generations now that the women basically don't have to approach at all to get their reproductive needs met.

2. The cost of pregnancy is very high. This is important because it skews the amount of sexually available women at any given time. Let's say you and I are on an island with two women. I go out and impregnate one of them. She is now "off the market" so to speak for 9 months. Whereas I am not. So all of us sudden, now there's two males and one female. In the real world, it's basically the same scenario. Except that it plays out on a larger scale. So actually, it seems that you're wrong. There isn't an equal supply and demand. Because there will always be at least some pregnant women, whereas there will almost never be men who aren't sexually available.
 

Ree

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Boy,hey...listened to the thing..thanks for the link...

Lol.... I strongly suspect you just posted the link without reading my argument...lol
The arguments they have said there are the same arguments I have described here as unsatisfactory.
.here is why

THE ARGUMENTs THEY PUT FORWARD

1: the imbalance is caused by reproduction cost being heavier on females than males

2:A woman less sexually aggresive would have a higher chance of finding a male who would help her raise the child

WHY I DISAGREE

1:This does not explain why women are not sexually aggresive,in other words the reproduction cost being high is constant,wether women are sexually aggresive or not ,the reproduction cost is still high,so why has natural selection selected for females that actively evade sex.
You have all seen animals like house cats,where the male has to literally chase down the female,
If the only reason for males being more sexually aggresive was the biological cost,this would still not explain the situations where we have females actively repulsing advances,
If the opportunity cost was the only factor ,then we would have a scenario where in the worst case scenario a female sits and waits for a male,but accepts his advances the instant the male finds her,
This however is not the case,throughout the animal kingdom we have many instances where the male has to even forcefully rape the female,this shows us that the biological cost of child raising is not a satisfactory answer .





2: this is true only for humans,if this was the reason then we would not find this behavior in animals where the male does not help in raising the children .
 

disciple99

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lets blow thiz first cost of pregnancy is irrelevant in case of female acting coy
lets look at animals first :
animals are not hedonists they engage in sex for specific period (mating period)
as you already said after mating many animals like male leopard have no part in child rearing .
female actually act coy to screen for best possible gene to complement her gene (a child do not have male gene only).
the same is true for humans.
hey I am a bit limited on time but you are quite intelligent I know ya will understand
any comments
 

Ree

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disciple99 said:
lets blow thiz first cost of pregnancy is irrelevant in case of female acting coy
lets look at animals first :
animals are not hedonists they engage in sex for specific period (mating period)
as you already said after mating many animals like male leopard have no part in child rearing .

Hey...some animals are hedonists....chimpanzees,rabbits,bonobos,dolphins.....they have no mating period,but even in these animals the female is shy and coy....

female actually act coy to screen for best possible gene to complement her gene (a child do not have male gene only).

Really interesting,would u care to elaborate more?
 

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My perceptions is that the mating dance do start with the female. In other words: "Women are the one who approach"

It goes like this:
1- Female send the signals of readiness to mate.
2- Male pick up on signals and join in.
3- Fun babies and more.

The thing is: IN HUMAN SPECIES MOST MALE DOES'NT GET IT.
They miss on the cues sent by the women. So they blindly try around their luck in the dark. There's many articles around about how attraction is already there and just moving to make sex happen… about knowing to select the more interested women… that's because it all come from the woman first.
If you are able to read women's cues, you know which women are in, so you have success to bed them.
If you're unable, you try your luck and sometime you're in, sometime you're not.
… and it's because of men unable to read women's cues that IT SEEMS that men have to do the approach. But it's just an illusion, a bad perception of the reality.
 

disciple99

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Ree said:
disciple99 said:
lets blow thiz first cost of pregnancy is irrelevant in case of female acting coy
lets look at animals first :
animals are not hedonists they engage in sex for specific period (mating period)
as you already said after mating many animals like male leopard have no part in child rearing .

Hey...some animals are hedonists....chimpanzees,rabbits,bonobos,dolphins.....they have no mating period,but even in these animals the female is shy and coy....

female actually act coy to screen for best possible gene to complement her gene (a child do not have male gene only).

Really interesting,would u care to elaborate more?

I am soooory for such a late repaly

what I mean here is that when a females is bearing a child she will want it to survive in future and a child will not survive if it is of a weak male ??? HELL NO so female act coy to start a competition among males than male complete to prove their worthiness to mate with her by various way like many animals fight, many birds use sounds, chipper , dance etc. or whatever skill necessary and males compete to mate are hella aggressive . Same thing in humans and as female mate become of high caliber the completion is only open for highest caliber males Alphas.

Annnd you shattered my mind by telling me that animals are hedoooonist

No I am just kidding haha i have read a paper about leopards that they don't have mating season but they don't use Condoms .
hope I make myself clear if any questions ask me and again soooory for late replay.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake
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