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Kvothe

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Intrigue. Fascination. Momentum.

Like finally taking off a shirt that has been too sweaty on you for too long, last night came as a burst of relief, as I re-entered the stage closest to when I had been consistently night gaming back in the summer of 2017. Family affairs were completed, my apartment was my own again.

I went out with my roommate again, a novice whom going out with allows me to feel more comfortable making my own mistakes. Even then, the goal was to do great approaches, and make each one amazing.

But that will be a story for a journal entry. Suffice to say, I was quite socially warmed up by the time this approach arrived. It's about 3:30AM, and the last of the bars were just starting to get ready to close up. I'm dressed in black pants and black chelseas, with a blue floral dress shirt, sleeves rolled up. The night had started at 9:30, but something new is growing in me, and the supplements I'm taking I think are starting to truly have me rearing to spend every moment talking to women (ashwagandha, brazil nuts, butter/fish oil, eating a wide array of healthy nuts/eggs, maca, cold showers).

Still, the streets are starting to clear out, and the night is getting emptier, when I spy two girls walking. One, a gorgeous brunette (HBTex), the other, a very cute blonde girl in a red dress (HBSway). HBSway is walking, and there's a telltale lack of sobriety. The other girl is calmer, more in control. I walk past, eyes on my phone, and eventually open indirect:

Me: Seems like it's a fun night so far?
HBSway: Yeahhhh!
HBTex: Yeah it's been a lot of fun
Me: If I were to ask you, on a scale of 1-10, how would you say it's been?
HBSway: Like a 9!
Me: Wow! That's a great time
HBTex: Haha yeah, it's been fun-I'm here making sure HBSway is okay now
Me: That's awesome, it's always great to see friends keeping an eye on each other. <Pause> What places did you guys hit?
HBTex: We started at X place
Me: Oh cool-I've been. Did you spend all the time on the roof?
HBTex: Yeah, it was fun. What about you?
Me: Yeah, we started off at Y bar's rooftop. But you know, the night doesn't really feel ready to be over yet. I'm still trying to figure out what I should do...
HBTex: We're going to this place called Z, it's supposed to be fun
Me: Really? Hmm, maybe I'll come check it out then

And so I just stay and talk with the two girls as we walk. There is incidental contact between me and HBTex, while HBSway hovers around, occasionally adding to the conversation. I'm fully enamored by HBTex, so she's the one I want to go for, but I'm also quite attracted to HBSway, though I view her as too drunk to be comfortable with anything more than making out with potentially. The conversation is fun, exciting, and stimulating, and the girls seem quite charmed by me. We reach the bar, and HBTex very warmly hugs a guy (Card) outside, who it appears we are here to meet. I just follow them inside, avoiding any line, and no one bats an eye.

I introduce myself to a couple of guys in the group, then restart conversation with HBTex. While we talk, HBTex has pressed her body to me, and is leaning in a lot to hear what I have to say. I ask her how she knows some of the people here, and she says that she knows Card as, "a friend from Church". She says this in an awkward manner that tells me they've been following the slow courtship route that will inevitably lead to a very normal societally acceptable dating path (if they reach that).

I'm very passionate and genuine as I broach the different SOTs while pacing her emotions of being in the environment we're in. I also connect very strongly, while maintaining great eye contact and conversational pacing as I talk to her about the first few months of living in the city, since she and her friend are new here.

At one point though, while holding the HBTex, I hold her waist, potentially just a tad bit lower than before, and HBTex removes my hand gently. Before letting go, there is a pause, where her hand is still holding mine, but it hasn't been let go. I think I should have grabbed her hand at that moment.

Me: <Raises eyebrow playfully>
HBTex: <shyly/looking down> I don't think Card would like to see that
Me: Are you guys dating?
HBTex: No... But we're <pause as she tries to figure out the right word> talking. Can you respect (I don't hear the last word, so it could have been "that"/"him")
Me: Well, I like talking to you, and you're a very exciting girl. But I can respect that

At this point, HBSway grabs my arm and pulls me closer to her to have a conversation. She holds my hand and pulls it into her chest (which in the low cut dress, you can imagine how much I didn't mind). I talk to her a bit, as HBTex and the guy she's with go onto the dance floor. I talk to HBSway, and my arm is around her, and I have her pulled close. I stimulate very well, and run through the tourist gambit and connection SOTs to talk about how exciting making a new connection, leading to new adventures and new experiences can be. Pauses and pacing on point. My face inches closer and closer to HBSway's.

Like I said earlier, I knew there wasn't any way I would take HBSway home. At that level of inebriation, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do, morally or legally. But I view kissing as on the table, as it's mostly harmless, and will still give me some good proof that what I'm doing is showing improvements, and that I can do nighttime street game to get super fast escalations.

I also see HBTex make out with Card on the dance floor, which made me feel like they were allowing me to escalate on HBSway.

So I make out with her, and then again. For some reason, I suggest we go onto the dance floor to dance, and HBSway goes to put on her shoes, at which point HBTex comes and helps, but then pulls HBSway away. I assume for safe-keeping.

And so my night ends rather abruptly, though with lessons learned aplenty, and the knowledge of what I could accomplish grown exponentially.



For all the night-gamers out there. I would really appreciate some advice on how to have better made my decisions here. I was most interested in HBTex, so if there's any knowledge on how to have accomplished that would be greatly appreciated.

Otherwise a way to better set myself up for follow up with HBSway. There's no way I would have brought her home, so it's more questions on how I could have set myself up for a follow up. I'm also not sure whether I should have followed the girls onto the dance floor. For some reason, I had a huge spike of fear that HBTex would be angry at me for kissing HBSway, either due to her being drunk, or because I'd earlier emotionally stimulated her super well.

From talking with a friend, I think a better solution here might have been as follows. I should have not made out with HBSway, instead just letting her go and moving on to a new girl instead. Then taking her to the dance floor to return her to HBTex and dancing with them while building pre-selection.

I'm also curious where I made mistakes along the way.

With that said, it's still great improvement and I feel quite a sense of accomplishment at how much I've changed over the last few months.
 
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I was out last night myself and saw so many girls out and wondered how to open girls on the sidewalk. I figured direct would be like the worst way to go since it's not the daytime and girls have their guard up to the max. But I have an idea now some situationalish opener. Was your friend with you when you opened the two girls and went to that bar?
 

Beck Bass

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For all the night-gamers out there. I would really appreciate some advice on how to have better made my decisions here. I was most interested in HBTex, so if there's any knowledge on how to have accomplished that would be greatly appreciated.
Duude I have no idea, I only met a "girl from church" only once before and she a was pretty uninteresting person, I have no idea what she was doing in this club, but somehow I got her number with a very weird convo, then later I texted her and she was like "would really think this would work?" and I was like "wtf is wrong with this chick".
For me, at least, it's very rare to meet religious girls at night, but I suppose your problem was the other guy, if she resisted this touch from you and kissed him so easily, they probably were doing similar stuff before, and given that he's her "official man", I think there was little you could do, once you were there already with him.
 

Kvothe

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I was out last night myself and saw so many girls out and wondered how to open girls on the sidewalk. I figured direct would be like the worst way to go since it's not the daytime and girls have their guard up to the max. But I have an idea now some situationalish opener. Was your friend with you when you opened the two girls and went to that bar?
No, this was a solo nighttime streetgame open (my first successful one).



Some updates regarding this FR. I talked to some tribal elders to get their feedback on this encounter, to find the places where my assumptions were off, and where I made mistakes.

I ask her how she knows some of the people here, and she says that she knows Card as, "a friend from Church". She says this in an awkward manner that tells me they've been following the slow courtship route that will inevitably lead to a very normal societally acceptable dating path (if they reach that).

This assumption was off because at this point in time, I didn't have enough information to make this guess. As was pointed out to me, they could just be close friends, he could be gay, or he could just be an orbiter she used to get into the club at a late hour.

I was suggested to ask both of them (question directed at HBTex), "How long have you guys been dating?"

This does a few things. If she answers in some form of "we're not dating", then the guy will stutter, or act shocked, or some other negative reaction that would help me a lot. It would also provide me information on their dynamic, and information is extremely useful in seductions. Because she's disqualifying him publicly, it cements in her mind (and his), that she is not obligated to him in any way, and that "they" are nothing. This makes it socially okay for her to hook up with me. However, if she answers in the affirmative, that they are dating, then it's likely game over, and a better move is to move on and focus on meeting a new girl instead.

As a quick aside, I was suggested the following two lines for defending against this specific line if a guy tries using it on you.

Guy: How long have you guys been dating?
You (before girl can respond): We're not dating-you can totally hit on her
I'm not sure on the tonality of this, or whether you should say this to the guy while looking at him, or while looking at the girl.

Guy: How long have you guys been dating?
You (before girl can respond): I actually had other intentions with her...
Girl: Oh, what are those?
You: Ah I was about to adopt you as my new little sister, come give me a hug
I assume this one is initially directed at the guy, before a playful vibe is directed back at the girl.

Anyway, once the boyfriend destroyer is deployed, be social, low key, avoid escalating until isolated, and wait for the guy to leave. Once isolated, it is possible to start some level of escalation and emotional stimulation. Though it's worth noting that escalation should be reserved for isolated moments, as FSC could come in since she doesn't want to ruin her friendships/alliances with the other people she came with.



At one point though, while holding the HBTex, I hold her waist, potentially just a tad bit lower than before, and HBTex removes my hand gently. Before letting go, there is a pause, where her hand is still holding mine, but it hasn't been let go. I think I should have grabbed her hand at that moment.

This escalation was not good, given the situation with the guy hadn't been resolved. So my initial thought of grabbing the hand as she pulled it down was a bad one. Again, we need to be calibrated to the situation and the environment. Her friends were there, and a boy she liked and who was part of her social circle to some degree.

The times you can capitalize on her being amped:
  • When you can isolate
  • When you can pull
  • When you need and can pull her somewhere
  • When you are about to fuck
So escalating just for escalating can backfire, or lead her right into a different guy's arms.


Last main point is something I brought up earlier which is just a sense of personal distaste going after the more drunk girl in a two set. I don't plan on doing so again (for multiple reasons), and it would have been better in this situation to just have not done it. Lesson learned.

Additionally, while kissing in a club can sometimes be social proof, the girls who it attracts may not be the girls you want. Plus many girls will be turned off from it, so it's more of a double-edged sword. Act accordingly.



Final quote:

If you have decent compliance, don't trigger ASD and FSC, and build comfort (basically make it so that hooking up with you is no risk) and then handle the logistics-then you can get laid and win over more attractive guys who she is more attracted to.
 

Beck Bass

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I was suggested to ask both of them (question directed at HBTex), "How long have you guys been dating?"
This really sounds like something Chase or Hector would say lol, going for the jugular is the only way

Additionally, while kissing in a club can sometimes be social proof, the girls who it attracts may not be the girls you want. Plus many girls will be turned off from it, so it's more of a double-edged sword. Act accordingly.
Yep, big time, I only kiss girls I intend to pull, and when I can tell it will help the seduction (or if I really don't care and just wanna kiss a girl hehe)
 
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