Fashion, fundamentals, game system discussion (derailed Spike appreciation)

Kaida said:

But from a fidelity-risk standpoint, is a girl that you can turn on so much in 15 minutes that she’s willing to have sex with you on spot not an automatic fidelity-risk for monogamy?

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No

Skills said:

All the stuff you said about spike is valid, but your "let me prevent newbies" from learning and be mislead, is kind of weak, and comes across off...

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It is really not the sole driver. Maybe it is like if you were on a forum about sales and guys start posting about how you need better marketing and not to worry about conversions at all if you have enough leads. If you know what you're doing it's not like he's going to mess you up, but "you're doing newbies a disservice" might be one of the reasons that you cite, especially once you learn the guy posting that has actual sales skills.

Maybe kind of why you really didn't like Locario bastardizing screening game. It's not like he's going to fuck up your personal process. It is just better for everyone if the SkilledSalesman forum doesn't experience a culture shift where everyone's focused on marketing only and we lose out on good nuanced discussion of applied social dynamics.

Skills said:

Here it is:

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All good stuff really! It kind of is water is wet, yeah... and basically all before the opener

Spike said:

Ok and? You move on lol. Is she the only quality girl that exists in the world?

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If you want a girl you'd raise kids with, this is even more rare than her being general girlfriend material. You can still do everything you can to increase your green ratio, but for essentially your most important life decision ever, wouldn't you want to double the input funnel? This is not just level of quality... it is personal fit... screening for motherhood will take like a year of dating or whatever.

Skills said:

But i do agree being able to have more control of gaming no down.... Give you more control of choices...

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Yes Skills didn't you say you only meet a girl you're really super into like once a year or so? And it gets less often as you have experience and desensitize to being impressed? Whoops she's yellow, maybe next year...

KJ Francis said:

It is really not the sole driver. Maybe it is like if you were on a forum about sales and guys start posting about how you need better marketing and not to worry about conversions at all if you have enough leads. If you know what you're doing it's not like he's going to mess you up, but "you're doing newbies a disservice" might be one of the reasons that you cite, especially once you learn the guy posting that has actual sales skills.

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^ no because i would field test and reach my own conclusion, as much as he comes across off, i got a bunch of people in the forum and in pm, explaining how baggy maxing made a difference on the seduction including myself..... Specially before anyone here knew about it, spike been saying the baggy max 3 years ago... so a lot of us got a head start, it works.... So that is why field testing works.... for example he says dtf are out there all over, i say uhmmm! not what i am experiencing when i go out.... So people can get out of their house go to clubs and see "am i seeing a lot of dft like spike claims" or "am i running into a lot of ss light with groups or ss light like skills says" so far most of the forum and frs and lrs agrees with me, so i don't have to go into all his post.... repeating myself people can go to field and see what are the seeing.... And if the see what spike is seeing then i have no issue saying well maybe i am wrong..

KJ Francis said:

Maybe kind of why you really didn't like Locario bastardizing screening game. It's not like he's going to fuck up your personal process. It is just better for everyone if the SkilledSalesman forum doesn't experience a culture shift where everyone's focused on marketing only and we lose out on good nuanced discussion of applied social dynamics.

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^ i made 1 post, i don't go to all youtube or posts of locario targeting and repeating myself 1 post....you keep repeating yourself since the dude join in every other post... which is dumb cause you are just helping him get attention.. I pretty much ignore 80% cause he repeats himself too..... and i make my point when he keeps arguing i just stop responding, cause if not is going to be an unnesary back and forth, i just say people can listen to me or him if we disagree and field test... community is about field testing, maybe the clubs in my area and dynamics different...

KJ Francis said:

All good stuff really! It kind of is water is wet, yeah... and basically all before the opener

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^ correct...

KJ Francis said:

If you want a girl you'd raise kids with, this is even more rare than her being general girlfriend material. You can still do everything you can to increase your green ratio, but for essentially your most important life decision ever, wouldn't you want to double the input funnel? This is not just level of quality... it is personal fit... screening for motherhood will take like a year of dating or whatever.

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^ total kj thomino explained it lol, if the girls is green or red or yellow, it does not make a difference brother.... What does one thing has to do with the other.... You have to change this type of view it will backfire, women can play to your "ideals" all women go through a vetting process, and specially if you are looking for kids... Again green is women you seduce that are into you, yellow is women that are neutral they could take it or leave it, red is women that are not into you....... Again is the screening game context (again i personally don't see it now a days other than online and guys traveling, and special events such as Halloween)... But again, that is why field testing exist, and of course i may change my mind if it changes, first half of last year was like that, since second half till now, i personally have not seen it, i think is economy, but again, that is me.

TLDR; Don't overthink it. Be willing to take some emotional risks and see how things go. If she ain't the one... cool. You'll learn and can always try again

Approaches are test drives for meeting women and getting laid
Lays are test drives for FBs
FBs are test drives for GFs
GFs are test drives for wives

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KJ Francis said:

Yes Skills didn't you say you only meet a girl you're really super into like once a year or so? And it gets less often as you have experience and desensitize to being impressed? Whoops she's yellow, maybe next year...

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^ i Said you really find like a onitis type girls once every 3 years..... Sometimes once a year(if you are super active)..... Were you get all the gay butterflyies and all that shit....

When I go out to bars. I like to dress in a full sleeve solid color collard shirt. Reason being is women can make fun of the patterns that are on shirts. That's why I recommend a solid color. It's not too distracting. Also try to pick more neutral colors. I always recommend black because it goes with anything. If you do pick a color I think red would be a better one to go with. Wear nice jeans or slacks that aren't torn with a belt and dress shoes and call it good.

KJ Francis said:

If you want a girl you'd raise kids with, this is even more rare than her being general girlfriend material

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So ALL green girls the best they can do is be general girlfriend material? None of them will ever reach, “girl I’d raise kids with”?

I already had several girls that had that potential. I just wasn’t ready to settle down.

Skills said:

i Said you really find like a onitis type girls once every 3 years..... Sometimes once a year(if you are super active)..... Were you get all the gay butterflyies and all that shit

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Skills did find a girl like this. She was green (attracted to him) but not dtf that night. He did eventually manage to fuck her but is now just whatever about her. Has cheated on her a bunch of times with girls he doesn’t care about. My point is finding a girl who you’d raise kids with is not difficult at all. It’s just that you guys love the game of trying to sleep with random girls too much to want to settle down with one girl and start a family with. Which thousands of people do everyday.

Skills said:

explaining how baggy maxing made a difference on the seduction including myself

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I am definitely not against baggy maxxing... like the fish waterfall metaphor... very valuable. The part we do not see is the guys who do not post much who will want to replicate him and then 1. looksmaxx only; 2. only game greens; 3. never engage with or add to discussion of seduction. Then the forum goes to shit. Young guys will then never bother with the Stray Dog guide that Teevster just posted today. They will never create a guide like that once they cut their teeth. They will not engage in nuanced discussion of social dynamics. It will become a lookmaxxing forum.

Spike is literally telling us not to bother with yellows ever. I still need to read his reply to the wife stuff but he completely twists what people are saying and I have no idea if he just doesn't understand or is just trying to troll. I can totally understand why Razorjack got fed up with it. But I literally chuckled a bit this morning, like is this guy for real...

Skills said:

i made 1 post, i don't go to all youtube or posts of locario targeting and repeating myself 1 post

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True yes but you were "fuming" because it does matter. Can you imagine if this website went down? It's all hanging on one individual person Chase out of the entire world. It has a huge butterfly effect on the lives of countless guys, and also affects the guys who are immune to it, like we all lost Razorjack.

I did not post on Spike's LR either.

Skills said:

total kj thomino explained it lol, if the girls is green or red or yellow, it does not make a difference brother.... What does one thing has to do with the other

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Yes I think it was in the other thread I agreed they are not mutually exclusive. It's not like all wife quality will be yellow and every green is a wild party girl. All I am saying is if you are screening for that really rare fit, you may miss out on a much better fit to be the mother of your children. These things will not matter to a guy just wanting to build a hot rotation of 18-20 year olds as the end goal and replace them as they age out.

Spike said:

So ALL green girls the best they can do is be general girlfriend material?

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NO.

Spike said:

My point is finding a girl who you’d raise kids with is not difficult at all.

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I do not agree with this at all. It is definitely possible to find a girl who would be acceptable for this role, but to find one who can also keep you excited long term would be the 1-3 years Skills referenced, and this is AFTER building an intermediate to advanced skill set. The average guy with a wife does not have even close to this level of wife.

I literally let a wife quality one go this morning. In terms of one I would trust in that role. But I want that intersection of good mother and just below oneitis gay butterflies.

It is such simple math. Including yellows in your strategy is simply increasing your input funnel, by A LOT. To borrow and adapt a recent analogy from Teevster - if you are looking for the absolute perfect job for you, why would you only rely on headhunters? You would also use tailored applications, and also leverage your professional network. Any of these three may give you a great job. But you may never even come across the opportunity for your personally preferred dream job if you only use one avenue.

Actually if a girl who gives you butterflies can be every 3 years - that could still be a girl you would never in a million years trust to raise your children. It's a real diamond in the rough situation to find this girl.

KJ Francis said:

but to find one who can also keep you excited long term would be the 1-3 years Skills referenced, and this is AFTER building an intermediate to advanced skill set.

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Brother. The specific girl skills is talking about no longer excites him. He’s just using her.

KJ Francis said:

The average guy with a wife does not have even close to this level of wife

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The average guy is married. Has kids and works a stable job. But because we are in this sort of red pill sphere. The magnifying glass goes to those guys (the minority) who are miserable and in bad relationships (if they manage to get themselves in one). And because the magnifying class goes to those examples. We assume that is the majority. And why we worry so much about making the right choice in terms of which girl we choose to settle down with.

KJ Francis said:

I literally let a wife quality one go this morning. In terms of one I would trust in that role. But I want that intersection of good mother and just below oneitis gay butterflies

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Thats on you for sleeping with mediocre looking girls. You let her go because she’s not hot enough. But sometimes hot + good wife potential isn’t enough to let you give up the game. It almost did for skills. Even myself with my girlfriend. But then we got bored.

KJ Francis said:

It's a real diamond in the rough situation to find this girl

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It’s not. You just don’t want to settle down yet.

MrVariety said:

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I swear...

KJ should just buy a ring and propose to Spike

They already bicker like a married couple so might as well make it official

KJ Francis said:

I am definitely not against baggy maxxing... like the fish waterfall metaphor... very valuable. The part we do not see is the guys who do not post much who will want to replicate him and then 1. looksmaxx only; 2. only game greens; 3. never engage with or add to discussion of seduction. Then the forum goes to shit. Young guys will then never bother with the Stray Dog guide that Teevster just posted today. They will never create a guide like that once they cut their teeth. They will not engage in nuanced discussion of social dynamics. It will become a lookmaxxing forum.

Spike is literally telling us not to bother with yellows ever. I still need to read his reply to the wife stuff but he completely twists what people are saying and I have no idea if he just doesn't understand or is just trying to troll. I can totally understand why Razorjack got fed up with it. But I literally chuckled a bit this morning, like is this guy for real...


True yes but you were "fuming" because it does matter. Can you imagine if this website went down? It's all hanging on one individual person Chase out of the entire world. It has a huge butterfly effect on the lives of countless guys, and also affects the guys who are immune to it, like we all lost Razorjack.

I did not post on Spike's LR either.


Yes I think it was in the other thread I agreed they are not mutually exclusive. It's not like all wife quality will be yellow and every green is a wild party girl. All I am saying is if you are screening for that really rare fit, you may miss out on a much better fit to be the mother of your children. These things will not matter to a guy just wanting to build a hot rotation of 18-20 year olds as the end goal and replace them as they age out.

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you and spike are the same dude to be honest, stubborn, dense, and autistic, keep going in circle, i am about to make the

kj francis and spike love story post, so you 2 can jerk each other off repeating yourselves...

Skills said:

you and spike are the same dude to be honest, stubborn, dense, and autistic, keep going in circle, i am about to make the

kj francis and spike love story post, so you 2 can jerk each other off repeating yourselves...

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Well it is not like you haven't been in their shoes. And it is not like I haven't had long ass fuck back-n-forth with people (to list a few: you, BlackDragon, NWP etc etc...)

I guess it is just part of the culture of this community and most people have to go through this phase, until, you get tired and you'd rather just discuss interesting stuff and go out in field with guy who are genuinely good.

Best,
Teevster

Skills said:

you and spike are the same dude to be honest, stubborn, dense, and autistic, keep going in circle, i am about to make the

kj francis and spike love story post, so you 2 can jerk each other off repeating yourselves...

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So is KJ Francis considered a green? if so he may get spiked or maybe it is the other way around