FR 17? too young! eject!

[lao che]

street stopped a girl who i could see was probably very young but she was hot, wearing a short skirt and very pretty, carrying shopping bags.
couldn't think of anything so i opened with

me: excuse me ..... what time is it?

her: i don't know

me: haha you don't know? what time is it? look on your phone

her: oh hahah yeah, look *shows me her phone*

me: ok thanks. you been doing a lot of shopping huh? bought lot of stuff

her: bla bla bla

me: wait how old are you?

her: 17

me: hmmm .... 17 huh?

i kind of tut and sigh and uhmm and ahh for a second, nodding my head and making a face like i'm mulling something over. "it's kinda young. yeah, too young! well, never mind, have a nice day." then i ejected. leaving her somewhat puzzled

later i think to myself i had nothing to lose by just staying and chatting for a minute. there's also the very outside chance that she might have been down for something who knows! i may have cockblocked myself.
i find it unlikely, but is that just my own projections (i'm 41)?

 

[Seppuku]

Hey Lao Che,

The guy who has standards, not kissing her ass, is a challenge, and said no to her. If she doesn't autoreject, my bet is now she can't wait to fuck you

Seppuku

 

[lao che]

well, it's too late now.

this girl, i hardly think she's lying in bed at home rubbing one out to the sexy guy who thought she was too young BUT i do think a lot of younger girls think about/would like to get fucked by me but wouldn't fuck me, if you know what i mean.

as for the girl in this case, i mean i knew she was young anyway, so what was the point? what was my next step if she'd said eighteen (i can't reasonably have expected her to be out of her teens) but how can i seduce a 17yo ... ? i mean morally, not technically. although technically i would have no clue, too haha but what's the difference between 17 and 18, really? or between 17 and 16. but then where do you draw the line?

reminds me of a joke

there was a load of teenage girls banging on my bedroom door last night. they were making so much noise i had to let them out


sorry for the jumbled mess of a post. my head's all over the place i'm having a hard time organizing my thoughts.

 

[Seppuku]

this girl, i hardly think she's lying in bed at home rubbing one out to the sexy guy who thought she was too young BUT i do think a lot of younger girls think about/would like to get fucked by me but wouldn't fuck me, if you know what i mean.

Probably not rubbing one, but likely "got her curious".

OK, now to your main point, Blackdragon (http://www.blackdragonblog.com/) mentions an age barrier regarding older men and some very young girls (22 or less). Some of them are actually turned off by the thought of older men - he calls them "Type 1 Very Young Women". See his Glossary. He says they're 30% of the age group. If she's not one of these, you should be good to go. He also mentions the "Type 3 VYW", which are the bulk of the age group, who would be open to the idea but still find it out of comfort zone. Sounds like what you describe "would like to, but wouldn't". My guess is, it requires extra comfort building.

as for the girl in this case, i mean i knew she was young anyway, so what was the point? what was my next step if she'd said eighteen (i can't reasonably have expected her to be out of her teens) but how can i seduce a 17yo ... ? i mean morally, not technically. although technically i would have no clue, too haha but what's the difference between 17 and 18, really? or between 17 and 16. but then where do you draw the line?

Provided that you're comfortable to go ahead, why would you treat a 17 years old any different than, say, a 25 years old?

I haven't tried to pursue such a young woman (I'm 47). The youngest I had was last December in Laos, 22 years old down to fuck. Very little conversation (language barrier), straight to her apartment right after lunch. Same story, just persist towards the goal.

there was a load of teenage girls banging on my bedroom door last night. they were making so much noise i had to let them out

LOL. Busy man

Cheers,
Seppuku

 

[lao che]

the joke is that i'd imprisoned the girls


there's a world of difference between 17 and 25 wouldn't you say? both in how they think and act, and how attempting to seduce a 17yo would be percieved by society, compared to a 25yo. or 30yo even. none of my friends are married to women much younger than themselves. it's awful to be them. my mum commented on the babyface of one 22yo girl she saw a pic of.

but the question was why would i treat her differently. i wouldn't. i would proceed as normal. well, calibrated of course. but i'd still try and set something up.
now, i'd love to smash a 17yo girl. 16 even. but, the reason i'm not is that i only wanna fuck girls who wanna fuck me. and, generally speaking, girls that age don't wanna fuck a guy so much older.
but i ejected before i even tested the waters. i never gave myself the chance.



the "would like to, but wouldn't" girls .... i'll describe like this - let's say there's a precocious young lady, maybe mid teens. for some reason you have a position of authority over her. you are alone with her, for whatever reason. she's clumsily flirting with you and maybe even makes it clear that she's sexually available to you. do you fuck her?
i'd probably be quite turned on. but i wouldn't do it.

there are several young girls i work with, early twenties. they ask me about which girls i like most (recently there's been several lovely young interns so they wanna know my favourite. i tell them i'm gay. they've told me that they "know i am very masculine, and that i like going out with girls" or something like that.
i think they might be a little afraid. like i'm too much man for them. they'd like to. of course. they are female and attracted to the masculine energy. but they won't. it's like fire. looks pretty and you can feel the heat, but don't get too close.
i've tried to pick up three of them. i think they all know about it (which is a topic for another post) i know one had a crush on me, but she's marriage-crazy. still i tried. another definitely had a crush on me, i can see love in her eyes. people other than me have commented on it. i know she really likes me and looks up to me. i feel almost bad "Abusing a position of authority" (although i have no superiority over her) but still i discreetly tried to point things in the right direction. failed. they'd like to, but won't.
the third, pretty unresponsive. a 10/10 in my eyes. although my friend was like "WTF? THAT girl?" so there's no accounting for taste!
i texted with her for a bit. but then she just didn't answer. she gives no signs or anything. i never got IOIs but still, she readily agreed to swap details. i think she'd like to get fucked by a man, but she wouldn't do it.

now i get along really well with all the colleagues. we have plenty of comfort and rapport. do each other favours and make jokes etc. so comfort and rapport in these cases is surely not the problem. you can't build that kind of camaraderie in a street stop. but still, most of my street stops go quite well. i can vibe with a teenager or a girl in her 20s it's fine. like the girl in this report, it was cool just chatting to her. nice carefree vibe. anyway that's my fault for ejecting too soon.

 

[Seppuku]

You raise several valid points:

• * Perception by society, family and social circle
  * Coming from a position of authority. Is there a sense of abuse? Do you proceed or not?

These are up to you to decide for yourself. For me, both are no go. I would not proceed if I'm coming from a position of authority. I would try to make sure no one knows about it.

girls that age don't wanna fuck a guy so much older.

That's the one big lesson I learned from pick up. The main reason most guys (like me before) don't get results with girls is because of their own mental frames and barriers. How is this different? How much is it your own mental barrier? Just think about it. Also true for the girl in this FR.

i think they might be a little afraid. like i'm too much man for them.

Probably just a matter of calibration here. Then tone down the masculine side a little.

i know one had a crush on me, but she's marriage-crazy.

If she's young, this shouldn't be too much of a problem since she has still so much time ahead. I tell everyone very early on that I'm not planning to marry again, problem solved, this is one expectation they're not building. Also, if my relationship with her is always, bring her home, fuck her, bring her back, she gets the picture.

Anyway nice to chat you. Seems you have a good dynamic in place. Interesting discussion lots of food for thought.

Cheers,
Seppuku

 

[lao che]

yes. i'm enjoying it too.

i was just about to add a few points -

definitely there are mental barriers. several times i've asked girls their age early on. one was 15 i think. she was so cute, i just wanted to tell her, i knew she was obviously too young. BUT, a couple of times i've been told 22 or 24 when i thought she couldn't be more than 20.
that's why i stopped this girl. if she was 22 i'd be thinking GAME ON! but 17? i just ran as fast as i can. but why? i could chat to a pretty girl, nothing wrong with that. i could even take her on a date, nothing wrong with that. i could even seduce her, nothing wrong with that?
it's borderline. i mean, you wouldn't advise me to go hang around a school at 4.30pm if i told you i wanna fuck teenagers.
there IS a line, and there's a grey area too.


as for miss-marriage-crazy, i think she auto-rejected pretty quick when she found out about the other two. i have no proof of this. just my theory that all three of them know i've been texting all three of them. why wouldn't they?
if we were fucking i'd be sure that we both keep quiet, but not much i can do about their behaviour, only communucate my own discretion. (at my previous office there were four at the same time. sure they didn't know about each other. although i know for sure a male colleague fucked one, and tried to fuck the other but she wouldn't because she wanted a boyfriend)

but we're all cool though. i'm just "that kind of guy" it's only a big deal and highly awkward for them if i behave embarrassed and awkward. but i'm totally cool with it. nothing changed at all since getting rejected by all three of them LOL so, doors haven't closed yet, i would say.

 

[lao che]

i don't think i have a "player" vibe. most cold approaches go quite well.
my reputation was sullied somewhat at work by a male colleauge with whom i shared a social circle. he's gone now and many staff have been replaced, but it's possible that there could be some remnants of that.
the girls think you're a player and it's like a rollercoaster, some girls see it and are like "fuck yeah i want a go on that!" and other girls are like "oooohhh that looks scary... i don't know if i wanna do that ..."
but, well, i did try to fuck three of them at the same time so i guess i did myself no favours there. still, rollercoasters. you can get on if you want to.
girls in their early twenties love metaphorical rollercoasters. girls in their mid-late teens, however ... if she's still at the hand-holding stage with her first boyfriend from math class, getting seduced by the big, bad wolf may well be a fantasy. but one she wishes to live out? some girls, sure. but most won't be ready for that yet.

 

[lao che]

I would not proceed if I'm coming from a position of authority.

that was part of my original point with the girls at work - despite having no superiority over them, nevertheless i AM in a position of authority, by default.

if the girl in my example was a stranger to you, of legal age, and you just happen to bump into her somewhere, and for whatever reason get chatting. and then decide to go for a walk together. a girl of 16+ walking along with a middle aged man. who's the authority there?
you have no "authority" over her. yet surely you do.

 

[Railer]

generally speaking, girls that age don't wanna fuck a guy so much older.

I only just quickly skimmed through this thread. Why even bother asking her age?

The barrier is in your head only. Society? Irrelevant. It's YOUR DECISION to obey to "society rules" and fear their consequences.

Of course there are (too) many girls who have a counter-productive programming themselves: They hear "your number" and bail.

_How old are you?_ "Old enough. So you are here with all these friends over there?" _Yes. Them and some more. So how old are you?_ "[some other remark] ... well, so - was nice talking to you. Maybe we see each other around!" _So, how old are you?_

That girl from some days ago was so much in a trance about age, she didn't even seem to realize that I already had said goodbye. In hindsight it feels as if she just wanted me to say some low number in order to get back into her "allowed age window". She was 18.

Anyway, make sure what you're doing is legal and generally be respectful, caring and HONEST with any "unexperienced" girl, regardless of age. In the FR I just published the girl was 17 too, my interest was genuine and she had personality.

Respect for stopping that girl in the first place!

 

[lao che]

i would ordinarily avoid the topic of age but she was clearly quite young. my age didn't come up in the conversation.
i asked in order to know whether to bail or continue (sometimes i've been surprised by a girl i think is "too young" telling me she is 22 or something, so i was hoping for a higher number from this girl.)
so, yes. the barrier is self-imposed.