LR 1st Daygame Lay That Helped Clear Away the Insanity

[Skills]

The whole "not being able to retain" is a dangerous thing that would need get checked because it shows problems related to impulse control. Most rapes are usually caused by the man having these kinds of problems. Basically the man had no vicious intentions to rape (unlike what some feminists say, it is not because of rape culture), but because of his lack of impulse control, not only does he have a problem controlling himself (being driven by a strong desire), but because he is driven by a strong desire, his mind is clouded, he sees what he wants to sees and assumes the girl is up for it, but when in fact is not.

Ross Jeffries talked about this issue back in the days - where he mentioned that many beginners have the problem that they cannot control their state (desire), leading to the guy acting uncalibrated and losing the girl, or worse, commit a crime.

It is probably for these reasons that all rape accusation (real or not), borderline rape situations, as well as actual rape and harassment cases tend to occur more often with beginners than advanced guys. It happens even more often with guys who are intermediate or just getting results due to the motivation and the boost of confidence without having the necessary calibration yet.

believe this issue has to be discussed to avoid future problems. For similar reasons I believe Chase is right that THE RULE should be "no rough sex" and preferably avoid "kinks" with girls.

Now, the rules has to be followed... unless you are a veteran, because then you know the intricacies and you know which situation allows you to break them. Beginners and intermediate should follow the book.

I am sure we agree on this.

-Teevster

Yes, in my opinion rate accusatoons happen were girls feel rejrcted, not enough comfort amd made feel like a slut... guys that fuck them and kick them out an no calling them back.... in my experience very unlikely to happen, but i can see how new guys uncalibrayed in sex, i dont think new guys do kink tbh.

 

[Teevster]

but i can see how new guys uncalibrayed in sex, i dont think new guys do kink tbh.

Well, you'd be shocked. They kept watching tons of nasty ass porn before starting out, and with limited real experience with women, they extrapolate that to their real life encounters.

Others may have had a fuckbuddy or girlfriend who was kinky, and due to lack of experience, they extrapolate this to new girls. This is also a trap.

And some dudes just have a thing for rough aggressive sex - there could be some underlying cause such as aggression, frustration, anger that gets converted into sexual energy. But now I sound like a European psychoanalyst (like Lacanian, Freudian, Reichian). But there is some truth to it in my opinion.

@Regal Tiger sorry for the slight derail. Would you like me to move the discussion about this subject to a new thread? Your thread, your call.

Best,
-Teevster

 

[Regal Tiger]

Well, you'd be shocked. They kept watching tons of nasty ass porn before starting out, and with limited real experience with women, they extrapolate that to their real life encounters.

Others may have had a fuckbuddy or girlfriend who was kinky, and due to lack of experience, they extrapolate this to new girls. This is also a trap.

And some dudes just have a thing for rough aggressive sex - there could be some underlying cause such as aggression, frustration, anger that gets converted into sexual energy. But now I sound like a European psychoanalyst (like Lacanian, Freudian, Reichian). But there is some truth to it in my opinion.

@Regal Tiger sorry for the slight derail. Would you like me to move the discussion about this subject to a new thread? Your thread, your call.

Best,
-Teevster

I'm good, I'm just curious if there's anything I can learn from this

Totally happy to leave it on here. Thanks for the offer though!

 

[Teevster]

I'm good, I'm just curious if there's anything I can learn from this

Totally happy to leave it on here. Thanks for the offer though!

Some rules:
- If alcohol, never take non-verbal cues seriously, if alcohol is involved, you may have sex if tipsy, but no rough stuff, and consent needs to be 100% without any doubt. Any resistance, back down. If drunk as fuck... obviously do not fuck.
- Do not judge a girl's sexual persona based on appearance (many girls dress kinky for attention, not for anything related to sex) or even behaviour at time X (it can change at time Y)
- Judge by her verbal content - if she says she is into X then it is more legit then believing she is into X based on non-verbal behaviour. Hence why sex talk is the best way to know her true sexual desires.
- If no sex talk involved, she needs to take an active part into the "kinky" /"rough sex".
- Don't be overly horny/drunk yourself, you need a clear awareness of what is going on. This one is hard for non-veterans.
- If unsure, don't do it.
- If she showed any resistance even slight, to sex, then if sex happens it cannot be "fancy".

My rules.

In general, better be safe than sorry.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Some rules:
- If alcohol, never take non-verbal cues seriously, if alcohol is involved, you may have sex if tipsy, but no rough stuff, and consent needs to be 100% without any doubt. Any resistance, back down. If drunk as fuck... obviously do not fuck.
- Do not judge a girl's sexual persona based on appearance (many girls dress kinky for attention, not for anything related to sex) or even behaviour at time X (it can change at time Y)
- Judge by her verbal content - if she says she is into X then it is more legit then believing she is into X based on non-verbal behaviour. Hence why sex talk is the best way to know her true sexual desires.
- If no sex talk involved, she needs to take an active part into the "kinky" /"rough sex".
- Don't be overly horny/drunk yourself, you need a clear awareness of what is going on. This one is hard for non-veterans.
- If unsure, don't do it.
- If she showed any resistance even slight, to sex, then if sex happens it cannot be "fancy".

My rules.

In general, better be safe than sorry.

-Teevster

yeah to add:

- don't kick her out after sex or be rude
- don't ghost her after sex, ask her to "text me when you get home to make sure you got home ok" or you text her "that was hot with 3 fire emojis" even if you don't plan to bang again, just do this so she does not feel fucked and dump.
- make sure you have the ring video device at home
- don't bang marry or women with bf at the place they share with their bf/hubby.
=make sure she does not have to do the walk of shame (aka walk after obvious bang around people she knows)
- don't let her see any type of seduction books, videos, vision boards post bang...

 

[Teevster]

yeah to add:

- don't kick her out after sex or be rude
- don't ghost her after sex, ask her to "text me when you get home to make sure you got home ok" or you text her "that was hot with 3 fire emojis" even if you don't plan to bang again, just do this so she does not feel fucked and dump.
- make sure you have the ring video device at home
- don't bang marry or women with bf at the place they share with their bf/hubby.
=make sure she does not have to do the walk of shame (aka walk after obvious bang around people she knows)
- don't let her see any type of seduction books, videos, vision boards post bang...

I agree with all these. I follow very similar rules!

Best,
Teevster

 

[Regal Tiger]

Some rules:
- If alcohol, never take non-verbal cues seriously, if alcohol is involved, you may have sex if tipsy, but no rough stuff, and consent needs to be 100% without any doubt. Any resistance, back down. If drunk as fuck... obviously do not fuck.
- Do not judge a girl's sexual persona based on appearance (many girls dress kinky for attention, not for anything related to sex) or even behaviour at time X (it can change at time Y)
- Judge by her verbal content - if she says she is into X then it is more legit then believing she is into X based on non-verbal behaviour. Hence why sex talk is the best way to know her true sexual desires.
- If no sex talk involved, she needs to take an active part into the "kinky" /"rough sex".
- Don't be overly horny/drunk yourself, you need a clear awareness of what is going on. This one is hard for non-veterans.
- If unsure, don't do it.
- If she showed any resistance even slight, to sex, then if sex happens it cannot be "fancy".

My rules.

In general, better be safe than sorry.

-Teevster

Fair enough, though I will say alcohol has only been involved in like.... 5% maybe? Of my notches

Since I don't drink I usually don't take women to bars unless they specifically ask themselves (like this one did and she only had one truly total)


But still! I'm enjoying the back and forth so no need to worry about me. And I appreciate you listing out your overall points!


Quick edit: although if I end up trying some lounges then I'll keep it all in mind!

 

[Regal Tiger]

@Skills and @Teevster

Looks pretty similar to the rules I've picked up from GC articles, so looks good!


One thing in particular I've got a question about that's somewhat related to your discussion:

How to keep a woman's emotions from crashing after sexting but before meeting? As I mentioned up above I've got a damn good system I use for getting nudes from women and if they do meet up it's basically a formality before sex. But most end up not showing up

I'd like to use this more but I don't since I don't wanna blow it up lol

 

[Skills]

@Skills and @Teevster

Looks pretty similar to the rules I've picked up from GC articles, so looks good!


One thing in particular I've got a question about that's somewhat related to your discussion:

How to keep a woman's emotions from crashing after sexting but before meeting? As I mentioned up above I've got a damn good system I use for getting nudes from women and if they do meet up it's basically a formality before sex. But most end up not showing up

I'd like to use this more but I don't since I don't wanna blow it up lol

Post convos in your journal but yeah when then send too explicit triggers asd.. you can do more sexting indirect second gen and combine with other topics...you can also pre empt: listen i want you to know that i have no expectations i just want to meet to make sure vibe and connection there....

My point is sometimes i porpusely dial back or crash myself as pre emptive so that does not happen....also dont plow the sexting if you see how i do it i talk about it but talk about other topics none sexual kind of fractionation

 

[Regal Tiger]

Post convos in your journal but yeah when then send too explicit triggers asd.. you can do more sexting indirect second gen and combine with other topics...you can also pre empt: listen i want you to know that i have no expectations i just want to meet to make sure vibe and connection there....

My point is sometimes i porpusely dial back or crash myself as pre emptive so that does not happen....also dont plow the sexting if you see how i do it i talk about it but talk about other topics none sexual kind of fractionation

I don't have any the past year and I probably won't do it until it's with someone that I'm already seeing (or a girl who initiates herself) so that I don't lose the girl unnecessarily while I'm still learning daygame to bring them in


But the basics are to baby step it starting with if only you were here right now and going into cuddling from there. Then temptations like kissing, touching etc. Explaining in extreme detail what she will feel, when she'll feel it and etc.

It also involves lots of questions like: how much would she like that, where she would like to be touched, how good it would feel in the moment, what she'd love for me to do next and etc. So plowing isn't even necessary

I have tried the no expectations thing, I've also tried qualifying them based on how cool I think it is that they did something they wanted to do, how confident they must be in themselves, how confident it made them come off to me and some other stuff. Nothing seems to change the trend :/

I've even traded the language I use from "what I will do" to "if you were here we could" and etc. I've also tried to change it to be an overt fantasy and word it like a fantasy rather than a "if you were here" type of thing

 

[Skills]

But the basics are to baby step it starting with if only you were here right now and going into cuddling from there. Then temptations like kissing, touching etc. Explaining in extreme detail what she will feel, when she'll feel it and etc.

It also involves lots of questions like: how much would she like that, where she would like to be touched, how good it would feel in the moment, what she'd love for me to do next and etc. So plowing isn't even necessary

^ this is totally NOT how is done... Watch this video to understand and read this post

 

[Regal Tiger]

^ this is totally NOT how is done... Watch this video to understand and read this post

Quickly scanned the post and one thing that stuck out was the use of labeling. That's something I could probably implement. Will have to wait until later to go through it more

Although I'm not a big fan of starting with the dream aspect of things, always seemed fake to me so I shifted into the fantasy of it all

 

[Regal Tiger]

^ this is totally NOT how is done... Watch this video to understand and read this post

Going through the post again, just kinda making notes along the way

Noticing that your first example doesn't go past the kissing part of the fantasy. I could see how this would drive up desire without blowing up your chances. But when I sext I have a goal: nudes

What I was specifically looking for was a way to get both nudes and a date lol. It might not be possible, but maybe one of these days I'll learn about how it's done or figure it out myself

However in the example that you gave, you leave her wanting more which would help out on her not flaking. Plus some labeling stuff I noticed about being adventurous, which was a fantastic question so I want to highlight it:

On a scale of 1-10 how adventurous are you and how adventurous would you like to be?

 

[StrayDog]

How the heck can you guys be so detailed in a field report with a non-virgin chick?

I couldn’t write such a detailed report on my life.

Props if it’s true.

What is this obsession with virgins dude? He can be detailed in the report because the woman being a virgin has no bearing on the level of detail of the interaction he had.

 

[Regal Tiger]

How the heck can you guys be so detailed in a field report with a non-virgin chick?

I couldn’t write such a detailed report on my life.

Props if it’s true.

Because unlike you I want to accomplish more than just bitching about shit (which I freely admit I've done a lot of)

1) I want to get better
2) I want other guys to see what worked for me and possibly use it to get better
3) I worked really fucking hard and I want to share my success with people who were constantly there trying to lift me up

And the reason you couldn't write such a detailed report is because you're too busy trying to get out of doing the work to get any kind of success to write about in the first place

Don't shit on all my hard work just because you want to be lazy