2019 Girl Summary & How I'll Improve (Input Welcome!)

[DoWhatWorks]

Hey Guys,

Despite being a woo woo good vibes kind of guy I'm also a firm in believer in "what gets measured gets managed". So much so that I track my dates to sex ratios and make tweaks accordingly - I've done so for about 3 years now and think it's an underrated easy way to improve.

Without further ado here is how I finished up in 2019:

22 Dates in Total - 12 Online , 3 Day Game, 6 Night Game and 1 Social Circle

9 Lays = 40% of girls I go on a date with I end up sleeping with and 5 Lays Stayed around as FB's for at least 3 months = 44% keep around rate

2018

25 Dates in Total - 16 Online, 3 Day Game, 4 Night Game and 2 Social Circle

12 Lays = 48% conversion and 5 girls stayed around = 42% keep around rate

Most my dates come from online at the moment which I want to turn on its head in 2020 and focus soley on Daygame.

My stretch goal is to get to 75% lay rate in a few years and ultimately reduce the number of girls I need to go on dates with to sleep with 10 new a year and keep a few FB around too.

At this point in my life any goals beyond that won't be worth the effort and would lead me to sacrificing other areas.

In terms of 2020 I would like to get my conversion rate to 66% so that out of 3 dates I sleep with 2 girls and get my keep around ratio to 50%.

The way I'll do this is by not going on dates with girls I meet at night. This was the main reason my conversion rate wasn't as good this year as I was going on dates via my short lived bar tender job.

I'll also continue to have my lover but great potential BF vibe as that has worked for me over the years to keep more girls around - in the past my keep around rate was as bad as 33%.

Another 2 points I'll implement is not to go on dates for the sake of it - I must make sure I'm feeling the girl and not just going through the motions. I have been guilty of this and it has naturally led to dates fizzling out due to me not being interested and trying to keep numbers high

Another counter-intuitive idea is to purposely schedule dates for a minimum of 4-7 days away.

I know 2 days is recommended and is something I have used to great effect but although it's good at getting dates the "strength" of those dates are weaker and more akin to flake on the 2nd meet.

I have noticed that girls who I arrange dates for in a week or even 2 in advance who actually follow through - are much more likely to sleep with me and also stick around as FB's after.

2020 is all about quality over quantity for me and doing the bare minimum to have the optimal girl situation. I've had my time through the trenches lol.

By setting dates far away I let the maybe girls flake away so I don't waste my time and hone in on girls who will be around - be interesting to hear other people's views on this as I think I'm onto something lol.

Also any other recommendations or ideas other guys have to meet and sleep with quality girls with minimal effort is appreciated in the comments

 

[Tank]

Cool I also like to keep statistics on things, and believe in the importance of measurement.

It doesn't appear things changed between 2018 and 2019, though, for you. Did you actively work on anything? Do you feel like you've made progress between the two years despite the data?

50% conversion rate from dates is very very high. It's not common to see rates above that, especially if you do online, since there's just natural human chemistry disconnect to deal with. Probably focusing on getting more dates in the first place, or hotter girls should be the priority, in terms of seeking improvement. Maybe that's why the flat 2018-2019. Seems to me like you need to challenge yourself on a different plane than date closing.

My conversion is more like 30% for 6s and 12% for 7s, so I am going to need to really work on my date game (but even my most skilled wing is at about 25%-30% for 7-8s).
Do you follow nay specific model? Do you tend to go for the fast lover mode first date lay? Or the LMR busting Blackdragon 2 date model? (or something else?) What are your dates like in terms of where you go and what you do?

My post sex keep rate historically is around 60%, and it'd be essentially impossible to get it higher due to tourists, my own traveling and occasional girls I'm not so into, etc. I rarely get ONS'ed. But I'm pretty much obsessed with sex and having fantastic sex, way beyond anyone I've ever met or known, and that's probably a major factor. Realistically retention beyond 40-50% is also not really that necessary either.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Thanks for your reply man,

You raised a good point about asking if I changed anything from 2018 - 2019 and the truth is I didn't which explains similar results.

Subjectively speaking I think the girls I was going for were more attractive as I already had a rotation so was more selective with getting the quality up.

50% is high but I think it's attainable especially when you go for a 2 date model like I do. Of course there'll also be some form of attrition due to logistics, no chemistry and life getting in the way however I'm getting more strict with stacking the odds in my favor.

E.g. Not bothering with girls who live more than 30 minutes away from me ( I live in a major City so can do this!), qualifying if she has a bf & that I'm not trying to be her friend to set the tone of the date etc.

My usual system is 1 date for 1 hour and 30 mins at a bar near me where I deep dive, get her to open up and just playfully tease and ensure we're all laughing and having a good time.

Then a 2nd date straight to my place for cocktails, dinner or a film. I'm surprised how many girls even the seemingly innocent ones have no issue with this, of course a few may want more drinks but I qualify them out and move on.

Interesting that you even count your % based on looks! Do you think this may have a sub-conscious effect on your results?

Both positively and negatively so a girl you think is a 6 you're like yep good chance here while a 7 your chances are lowered... Think Chase or Blackdragon talks about just rating girls as average, cute and hot to ease the pressure on yourself.

Daygame is a focus for me too - the good thing like this is unlike online you can qualify out a load of things before back and forth messages just to find out you really aren't into the way she speaks or her vibe in general. She can also qualify you out as well so for me the day game dates tend to be "hotter" leads than online.

Think of it - you must be really into a stranger to agree to go on a date with them without any previous context or reason too!

Your post retention is solid!

I tend to keep girls around by doing enough bf things for them to be satisfied like occasional drink at a cute bar etc.

Giving them an incredible experience in the bedroom is something I can work on to increase that too but agreed above 50% can quickly leave yourself with too many girls and not enough time - not necessarily a bad thing though!

 

[Tank]

OK cool. Yeah I'd say if you want to push yourself aim for more dates total and hotter girls, I don't think it'd make sense to aim for a higher close rate from dates or even retention, your rates are really good already.

So you pretty much follow the Blackdragon two date model? Seems like a good way to be "lover mode" without triggering hours of LMR.

What do you do if she doesn't agree to go to your place on the second date? How often does that happen?
(I think per his model you have one more short buying time date and go for it again on the 3rd)

And do you also try to ramp up the tension but avoid actually kissing on that first date?
What do you do if she quite obviously indicates she really wants to kiss at some point or towards the end of the first date?


As for my results nah I don't think it's anything internal, and you can write average/cute/hot for 6/7/8, people do acknowledge hotter girls are more difficult, and I'm pretty certain, and have heard from coaches as such, that it is just that my fundamentals + game is creating that ceiling, where the first date to close drops off from 30% to 12% to very close to zero as you go from 6 to 7 to 8