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LR  3way ends in tears. help with analysis/damage control

lao che

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TL/DR: an old fuckbuddy brings her friend to my place for fun and frolics. i seduce the friend (or overpower, or wear down, or force myself upon) we 3 go to bed together, in the early hours i fuck the FB with a little involvement from friend, but then friend gets up and leaves unhappily

in fact the TL/DR is probably enough info. this might be a long LR ...


background (or you can skip to main event)

i met M on tinder, some time last summer. she's kinda fat and not good looking. the conversation soon turned to sex. i guessed she was a virgin but she tells me she recently lost her virginity, the previous april.
the conversation was good so i kept talking to her on and off, but never intended to escalate.
at one point she mentions being fat and i reply "i have two eyes."

one rainy thursday M messages me, wanting to see me. says something about having been stood up by someone else.
my thought process "hmmm do i really wanna fuck a fat girl tonight? well i've finished work early, what else am i gonna do? fuck it, why not. fat girls need love from time to time, too"

yes, i framed it as i was doing her a favour. performing a service for the public good.

now, i could have had this girl come straight to my place, but i decide to be a gentleman and collect her from the subway station.
i'm pleasantly surprised by what i see. she's certainly not slim, but not really fat. and she is quite pretty (one time at a later date i asked her why the hell she would choose those photos for tinder!)
so i take her straight home and we immediately get down to business. as i'm taking off her dress she says "i'm fat" and acts all shy. i'm already full on into wolf mode so i just growl "i don't care" and pull off her dress. well, again a pleasant surprise. not bad, sure a little plump but quite firm and definitely fuckable. probably a lot of guys exact type. and pornstar titties. and she fucks like no other! so she becomes a regular visitor to my abode, during which time we often discuss 3-ways, with another man or girl. (i don't have a guy friend cool enough to invite into that situation)

fast forward

one time she borrows my nice umbrella. i warn her several times to not lose it. she loses it.
ok - replace it. she brings me an inferior umbrella. i almost make her cry. then i realize i'm a douche and say "fuck it. forget about it, it's just an umbrella, at least you tried."
she reaches into her bag and produces two relevant and thoughtful gifts. how can i not love this girl?

reason for the umbrella story is, i found it borderline disrespectful. maybe a test


another time M tells me about a music festival which her friend will visit and she asks if the two of them can stay at my place for the duration. first i think "no fucking way. who do you think i am?" but then i start to think maybe i can get them all together for some action.
i tried, and we hung out together for a couple of evenings. but it didn't work out.

fast forward

M stays over one night. the next morning i have to go out but i tell her she can sleep late if she follows the three rules.

1* don't make a mess
2* be gone before i get home
3* don't steal my TV

i even open a guest account on my computer so she can chill for a little while with some entertainment. i'll be home sometime between 3 and 6, i tell her.

in the afternoon text messages start. "xyz TV show is so funny!" "i'm still here" "can i stay longer"

i ignore the messages, go home at 5pm and she is "sleeping" on the sofa. she wakes up

me: get dressed and leave

her: can i please stay one more night?

me: get dressed and leave. do you think i'm joking?

i busy myself with something and several minutes later i hear the door close.

this is a giant test and unforgivable in my opinion. she mistook my kindness for weakness and tried to take advantage of it.

i pretty much freeze her out, except for some very basic courtesy messages.


now, why all this preamble?
to demonstrate the lengths a girl will go to to get you back when she likes you.
over the 6 weeks or so i receive a lot of messages trying to get my attention, and then finally i'm hit with this belter:

the main event


it's just one thing i want to ask if u are interested. i have a friend, she is a cool girl and kind of bad mood these days. and needs warmth, wants to have fun actually. she said she wants to watch me do it. two plans, 1) we come see you, if you like her and like each other, that will be great. u can both have fun. other plan is she watch us. maybe we can just talk see if you two like each other. she is different than [the other girl that we didn't fuck together] and her history is just sex once with her ex and then broke up. and then she never did with others. a new girl. i have this thought because u are a nice person and she is cool, and we are good friends she is open minded. maybe some fun will make her feel better. depends on you, and if you both like each other.


yeah, that was one text message. three pictures followed. two pretty face and one full body-shot of a sexy fucking girl playing pool wearing short shorts and a furry top which somehow managed to be both fluffy and revealing.

well, what's a guy to do?

i played it very cool and let things unfold and eventually, last night, the two girls come to my place.

chronology and details might be somewhat mixed up so this is just a collection of some things that happened. possibly in the correct order.


we'll call the other girl D.

so we get drinks, sit on the sofa chatting. i try and be a nice host, make sure she's comfortable. she's clearly nervous and shy.
with M i'm pretty much the same as if we're alone. i have my arm around her, or sit close or grab her and spin her around or whatever, occasionally make out with her. compliment her, tell D how sexy M is etc. just comfortable to show D that we are open.

me and M are very close. we sit close together, or i straddle her/she me or she puts her head in my lap. i try to slowly amp it up with D, touching her arm, knee etc, sitting close letting my head fall on her shoulder.
M is lying on the sofa i touch and caress her face and lightly slap/tap her cheek. we briefly talk about how she likes it, sexually. M says "D is into SM". i ask "which side? to be dominant or submissive?" i already know the answer. she wants to be dominant, like a dominatrix. now, this is great for me as you will see.

me: "yeah, you wanna whip a guy and crush him under your heel, punish him have him beg for mercy. i have a japanese "friend" who also has these fantasies. i asked her about it, like how is it sexy? which part of the fantasy makes you touch yourself? what is the climax? there is none. it's not a sex fantasy. it's a power fantasy. guess what kind of sex she (jap girl) likes?"

M: "rough sex?"

me: "exactly. the dominating thing is because she thinks most men are beneath her. we know what she really wants (talking about D) she wants to get fucked hard and dominated.

we also discuss D having only ever been fucked once. my response: "why?" why would someone only wanna do it once. seems like a waste. after fucking her i have my doubts about the veracity of the claim, but they both swear it's true.

D is very reluctant to make eye contact. i ask her why and challenge her: "bet you can't hold my eye for a count of ten"
she accepts the challenge, i lock her with my gaze, breathe in and say "one" she laughed and looked down before i'd finished one.

M takes a shower leaving D and i together. can't remember what we said or did during that time.

after the shower she wants clothes to wear. we go into my bedroom to choose something. D starts telling her "put this on" or "put that on"
M starts to obey. i say "don't listen to her! she's not your boss! put this on. she's so bossy. who do you think you are D"
so M puts on my clothes and then (i thought D wanted a shower too) so i take her hand and into the bedroom to choose clothes for her too. she sits on my bed and we start talking about M. i'm saying how sexy M is when she is turned on. D doesn't understand turned on but finally gets it too. she's sitting on my bed. i'm all kino, touching her face and hair. i sit on her lap, straddling her, hold her face in my hands. then i kiss her hard, passionately. she kind of resists but really really gets into it.

after a minute or two i stop. i say to M "see how sexy she is now? she's so turned on right now! see, we know what kind of guy she likes" D is all kind of shy and denying liking it at all.

one girl says how D is used to controlling men, having lots of boys interested in her. which, i explain, is exactly where the dominatrix fetish comes from. she feels contempt for these weaklings.

the two girls talk. from what i understand D has a problem with taking her friend's man. M reassures her it's ok.



D is sitting on the sofa, i grab her legs and lift them up in the air, so she falls down onto her back, then i hold both ankles with one hand and spank her with the other. great stuff. she loves it and is laughing but also stops it from going further. i think i did this more than once.

seems D is really down, but kind of ashamed of doing something with her friend there.

couple times D says "i just come to watch you. i won't do anything"

D sits in my massage chair and starts playing with the buttons (this chair is gold! but i think a bit to gamey to escalate to sex with a first timer) i turn it on and let her have a massage. occasionally giving her attention but there has been some negative compliance so i go chat with M and leave her to it.
me and M are not sure how to go about this. M pretends to go to bed. so now i'm alone with D.
the massage is almost over so i turn my attention back to D. there is still the no-EC and kind of not really in the moment vibe from D but .. she's not a prisoner, she's there of her own free will and she knew why she was coming.
we are on my sofa with a blanket. we make out heavy and hard and get tangled up in the blanket. it's so game on now. although i'm definitely facing token resistance, but i have no doubt that she wants me to continue. i throw her by her legs onto her back again, and pull down her clothes, panties, in one movement. or pull up, towards the ceiling. she's on her back and her feet in the air with her clothes at her knees so she can't spread her legs. i love this position. her hips and ass up in the air (i'm getting a boner just thinking about it). what a nice pussy this girl has. she smells so sweet. i eat it like a man possessed. alternating between kissing her face and eating her pussy. fantastic. i tell her to not move and go into the bedroom to get condoms. i notice M isn't in bed. i come out of the room and she is hiding behind the massage chair, watching the proceedings!
D hasn 't moved so i eat her pussy some more, then with one hand holding her legs i open and apply the condom. then i fuck her. great. no resistance and i'm soon fucking her hard. we go from there to me taking off her clothes so i can attack from various other positions. i open her bra but don't remove it, just wanna release her breasts. it must be uncomfortable because at one point she helps me take it all the way off.
she still gives me negative compliance. eg she won't undo the buttons on my shirt, she won't help me pull my wifebeater over my head. she doesn't want to be complicit in the seduction.

i fuck her well and i've no doubt she enjoys herself. but there's still the token resistance to kissing and no EC etc. i almost feel bad, a little bit rapey.

after we finish D is in the bathroom and i ask M "you saw that, right? i didn't fucking rape, her did i? i mean, i'm sure she loved it"

"of course you didn't rape her," she replies.

so me and D shower together. i have her wash my back and do the same to her. super quiet, shy, no EC.
we discussed earlier about us all sleeping in my bed. after D is done she comes out of the bathroom, i have my arm around M, and M hugs her. i go to hug her too but she goes the other way. ignore that. suggest about bed. M tells me they already agreed. so we get in bed, i take the middle. D is cold, turned away from me.

i ask M "how did you feel when you were watching us fuck" her answer surprised me - "wet".

things escalate. i'm making out with M and she's jerking my dick. i'm touching D and she's a willing but not compliant participant.
at one point M is sucking my dick and i'm making out with and touching up D.
i finger fuck M really hard, i think i need to fuck her as a giant thank you for providing me with this great new year treat. she wants to get fucked and asks about condoms but i'm not up to the task so we decide to rest.
i sleep a little. wake up with a raging boner. what am i gonna do with that? one thing leads to another and eventually both girls are awake and horny. i've been gently going at D's pussy until i have my hand in her panties. she is dripping wet. M has been jerking my dick and i put D's hand on my boner. twice she takes it away but the third time she gets involved. couple times M takes over but i say "let D do it" and put her hand on my dick again. i'm alternating making out with both girls and trying to give them both attention. Dude! it was fucking great. i'm concentrating so hard on the details that i'm forgetting how fucking cool this was. it was still dark so all i had was sense of hearing and touch. feeling the girls and hearing them gasp was something else!
so my dick is raging. D is facing away from me. i put it beween her ass cheeks as i slide one arm under and around her neck and pull her towards me so i can kiss her some more. she is really happy having my dick there.
so all this is going on i still have to service M. get a condom on and start fucking her. she is moaning and screaming. i take D's hand, hold it. kiss it. let the girls hold hands while i'm fucking M. this is going way better than i expected. i'm trying to still give some attention to D, with the hand holding and touching her body. she turns away. when i finish with M we lie together for a minute.
D suddenly decides she has to leave. she cannot be convinced to stay. she gets up, gets all her things together, won't accept any other alternative plan. won't even take a carton of walnut milk, or a ride to the metro. or wait awhile and chill out then i'll pay for a taxi. none of it.
she leaves and M starts bawling. at first i'm surprised. i have to ask her if she's really crying for reals.
i console her and we go back to bed. sleep for a while. M leaves


so ......
this may be the first case of buyers remorse i've experienced in living memory.
would love some critique on what i did well/badly and whether or not this is salvagable.
i would be sorely disappointed if i don't get my hands on that delicious pussy a few more times.
 

journeyman

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Lao che this goes far beyond my knowledge or experience I just want to say that it's a cool report, bravo for making things lead to a threesome and I particularly look up to the commanding style like " You have to leave now". Now from the text I infer that you are not sure about how you handled D. Of course I wasn't there but from the description of the facts nothing seems inappropriate man, she was obviously loving it, but maybe her logical mind was fighting too hard against it that's why she never showed true comfort.

I say this mainly to remind myself but maybe we all get caught in the frame of "How can I handle this to get her to stay/like me/fuck me/whatever", not realizing that not everything is in our control and even if you do everything perfectly it might not resonate with the other person.

My question is you display a very strong frame, is it natural for you or did you develop it from scratch with game?
 

Ree

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Damn...old che...
This must be your best work yet...loved the report
 

trashKENNUT

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You have to create an "us" thing for all three, again.

Persuading her to go consult her buyer's remorse friend with you together. Women are more inclined to protect the softer ones as long as it is in her circle, who she knows.

Zac
 

lao che

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sakbishop said:
My question is you display a very strong frame, is it natural for you or did you develop it from scratch with game?


i don't really have a good answer for this. the truth, i think is simply age. as you get into your late thirtes things become much clearer, you begin to see the connections in things more easily.
i'm not special at all, i just got old.

that, together with experience and reference points. but if i had the same experience and reference points ten years ago would i have the same frame? i think so. i think having experiences is like extending your life. so x number of experiences at age 30 = same emotional age as x number of experiences age 40. and a 30 year old with more experience than a 40 year old is emotional/intellectually older.

i have no proof for that, i'm just now making it up. but i think it's true for myself.
and this is why i keep saying that GC readers have the world at their feet. you have hundreds of peers to learn from and share experiences with - you can be like a 40yo dude at the age of thirty. you wouldn't believe how easy things are with maturity and a little game.
me in a thirty year old body would be unstoppable. and believe me, 18yo girls would swoon for a cool, smooth 30yo - you can't believe it when you're 18. you think why would she like him? he's so old! - not so much a 40yo but i'm doing ok.

on another note, when it comes to seducing and escalating on girls i think i subconsciously modeled myself on pornstar rocco siffredi (except i'm not 6'3'' italian with movie star looks and a giant dick)


lastly, let's not forget Chase Amante.
i don't recall any one particular article on 'frame' but reading all of Chase's articles had a huge impact on my worldview, and i must give him credit for accelerating my maturation.

EDIT:

in fact, this should probably be the first thing. i had so many forehead-smacking-moments when i first discovered GC about three years ago. every article made me go - "of course!"
it all made perfect sense, and after that the pieces fell together so quickly.
and bear in mind, i was already quite experienced with girls at this time, and had been familiar with 'game' and it concepts for several years already.
i've said it in another post previously,
thank you Chase for helping to turn a boy into a man.
 
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