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40 percent of 18 to 24 year olds are still virgins

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Some interesting articles pointing out that sex is overvalued and that there are actually large number of guys who are virgins. Even after 40 years old it looks like there are about 3% male virgins, which doesn't sound like a lot but giving the population it is more than 9 million guys just in USA.

It's just all in your head, it is a cultural believe; in reality sex won't make you better or more confident person...


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"it comes as a major shock that 40 percent of 18 to 24 year olds are still virgins"
http://stylecaster.com/playboy-2011-sex ... -are-left/


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More and more young people are abstaining. No less than 27 percent of 15- to 24-year-old men have never had any form of sexual contact (oral, vaginal, or anal) with another person, up from 22 percent in 2002. Meanwhile, 29 percent of females in that age bracket have never had sex, also up from 22 percent at the time of the last study.

The biggest increase in virginity was seen among 15- to 19-year-olds.

Eventually, though, they'll take the plunge: The survey found that almost everyone between the ages of 25 and 44 has had sex. About 98 percent of females and 97 percent of males in that range have had vaginal intercourse, 89 percent of females and 90 percent of men have had oral sex with an opposite-sex partner, and 36 percent of females and 44 percent of males have had anal sex with an opposite-sex partner.

http://www.livescience.com/13072-sex-st ... -rise.html

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"Men are under immense cultural pressure to lose their virginity as soon as possible because of how much sexual prowess is tied into masculine identity. The idea of losing one’s virginity as a rite of passage to adulthood is a deeply entrenched one; thus, men carry around the idea that you are still just a boy until you’ve managed to actually ejaculate into another person’s vagina, no matter how old you may be physically."

"we live in a culture that glorifies male sexual conquests even as it pathologizes male sexuality. We are taught to measure a man’s value by the number of sex partners he’s had; the more women he’s seduced, the greater the value."

"If you take the idea that a man’s value is proportional to the number of sex partners, it’s not surprising that we absorb the idea that therefore someone who hasn’t had any is worthless.
Women, on the other hand are caught up in a particularly nasty double standard; while sex is tied with virility and masculinity with men, it’s value is inverted for women. For them, sex is commodified as an equivalent to purity: the less sex she has had, the higher her value. A virgin, therefore, is the ultimate expression of virtue and goodness (and thus priceless) and any woman who has an excessive number of sex partners (for a suitably subjective value of “excessive”) is degraded."

Here’s the hard and fast truth about virgins and virginity: it’s a completely cultural construct. ... you wait for too damn long for a thrill that’s over in under 3 minutes and half the time you’re wondering what the big deal was.

Having had sex doesn’t validate you as a person, nor does it somehow confirm that you have worth or that you’ve been devalued by the experience. It won’t magically give you confidence that you didn’t have before, it won’t change how you think or make you empirically more or less attractive. Anything you gain from sex was, ultimately, within you from the start.

The fear of "Too Late"
The fear of reaching is incredibly pervasive in our culture, especially when we’re bombarded with stories of how boys and girls are sexual at an increasingly young age. Just about everyone who is a virgin past a certain point – generally as soon as puberty hits, if we’re honest about it – is convinced that they’re on the cusp of reaching some nebulous “point of no return”. That deadline – the idea we have to lose our virginity by X date or remain forever unfuckable – tends to vary; we tend to put undue importance on arbitrary dates because they carry totemic significance for us.

The problem is that – for the most part – these fears are self-inflicted. It rapidly becomes a case of self-fulfilling prophecy; they believe that there is something shameful and wrong about being a virgin at such an “advanced” age and so it bleeds into other aspects of their lives. Some may become bitter and resentful, feeling as though they’re being cheated of something that they’re rightfully “owed”. Others will have their pre-existing approach anxiety ramped up to near pathological levels, leaving them with anxiety attacks and a crippling shyness around people they’re attracted to. Still others will be unpleasantly needy or put all of their focus on just trying to find someone to sleep with, instead of dealing with them as people.

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/01/2 ... ar-virgin/
 

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Great post Drck.

I was definitely afflictted with this mindset in highschool and I have to say I put a LOT of pressure on myself as did my friends in a very unhealthy shaming way.

I remember being euphoric with joy after losing my virginity because I knew I wouldn't have to worry about getting shamed anymore for that bullshit... only problem after that was as you said in your post having sex with "girlS" and getting a higher partner count.

Now numbers don't mean anything sex for me is as Drexel puts it "a brief naked vacation from my life".

-Rob
 

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Yes, I really like this one: "you wait for too damn long for a thrill that’s over in under 3 minutes and half the time you’re wondering what the big deal was"

Even if it is 1/2 hour, or two hours, what's the big deal? It's just fucking, you can even catch yourself many times thinking that jerking off is much better...

When you think about it, if we guys stopped paying attention to sex and putting too much value on it, everything else would be much easier. We would get laid much more as most of the shyness and anxiety would disappear, we would simply talk to girls and vibe with girls in a natural way, we would have simple sex without any shame or much effort...

And that's how it should be, no big deal, it doesn't really matter what's your age, you are not any better if you got laid at the age of 18 while your friend at 40... It shouldn't matter whether you slept with 1 girl, 29 girls or 500...

Who cares? It's just in that guy's head, many guys have this twisted ideas and believes that sex is something so important that just can't overcome it no matter what they do, so they work harder and harder, and the harder they work the more difficult it is...

Screw that, if it is too much effort and too much time, if it is not natural with that girl, it simply doesn't worth it...
 
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21 year old virgin here and all I can say is that there is a pretty good chance more than half of those 40% are in the 18 and 19 age range, most likely 18. As soon as guys go away for college they lose it within the first year thanks to dorm life and so many opportunities. I had to stay at home while doing my freshman year of college at a local university, ruined me for good. Most guys I talk to lost it at around 18 and 19, believe it or not, a 22 year old virgin male is very uncommon in the USA.
 

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Altair said:
ruined me for good.

Dude shut up.

When you lose your virginity nothing happens you're still lame ass chode afterwards.

I know because I was and then you think "well only when I start having sex with girls on a regular basis then I'll be cool" and it's all bullshit.

Focus on what you can change and go meet some girls.

-Rob
 

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Yea, the whole point is that lots of guys are having hard time because they put high value on sex. If everybody he knows is having sex by the age of 18 and he is 22, he already feels like a loser. He feel that he's got to have sex now, which makes him too anxious, too involved with the girl, too chasy.... He is focusing too much on losing his virginity in stead of on the girl, he than loses his natural ground and must learn what is natural - in the unnatural way.....

Now imagine he gets to the age 30, then 35..... He must feel as a total loser just because he didn't have sex... I personally know two guys like that, if not three. I also noticed that HUGE part of it is religion, the religion made the guys idealize girls, it made them have unrealistic expectations from girls...

Also lots of guys lie, they say they had sex just to look and feel better, but they didn't. When I was 17-18,-19 pretty much every guy claimed to have sex. I just know it is not true. Today I know young and pretty girls, 22-25, they want to fuck but they can't find many decent guys of their age who can do it. They want to do it, yea, but they are full of silliness, they yell out big words such as pussy, dick and fucking - yet they can't really do much because they (unlike you) don't know how...

So the girls go with older guys, these guys can be even drunks and half losers, yet because they push for sex and make nasty comments, because they touch the girl here and there and look at her tits without a shame, she just goes with them because she wants that experience...

She wants sex, and all she is looking for is a guy who can pull out his dick while she feels comfortable and sexy enough...



I'll tell you a secret:

1. Work on fundamentals, learn to relax and meditate, learn to be relaxed while around girls first

2. Forget sex, just find some girl that you know from social circle or through the friend, that way you can see her couple of times. Talk to the girl about anything you want. Just create good vibes, good connection with that girl. Talk about things that she likes and that interest her. Just listen and don't try to be too funny. Don't even try to ask for number, drop all the sexiness, drop looks and walks and the other stuff...

3. Listen carefully to her. Once she creates good vibes with you, she will start opening up. She will start hinting sex in different ways, directly or indirectly. She may talk about sex in a positive or negative way. She may start hinting or talking about place where guy and girl (you and her) can be together alone (to have sex, duh). She may e.g. even try to hint that she can read body language well, e.g. that she can read the guy's mind (she can read that he wants sex, duh). There is just hundred of different ways... She will also start looking more into your eyes. She is basically thinking sex in her mind, she feels comfortable around you because you are relaxed and non judgemental, and she is already attracted to you because you are a guy (with a dick, duh), and you have good fundamentals thus you look sexy enough (duh!). You don't even have to talk sex, and if you say something make sure that it is non-judgemental and positive (you are open to it without excessively talking about it, basically sex is good but not important to you)

4. Now you can start touching, if you didn't already. Take her for example to the park, or some place more hidden from other people. You can be totally friendly, you can still totally forget sex. She will let you, if she is more active she will touch you back. If she is more passive, she will not do much. In that case you have to Assume more Leading role, you have to push yourself to lead. You can start touching more and more (gently), while you are totally relaxed. There should still be good vibes. Perhaps you want to talk less now, and give her a kiss. Even on the cheek will do it. Hopefully she is excited, and will kiss you back. You can talk little bit, then kiss her again. Be bold, touch her thighs and then tits. There should still be good vibes. If you were to touch her pussy now, she should be all wet. She is all wet because all she is thinking now is sex (duh!). Once you are touching her, you will be surprised how much easy it is to be so closed to a girl, and how much she will let you do... If she is 'open' she will gladly go home with you...

5. Try to take her home. I would just try 2-3 times, perhaps just suggest movie. She may go, hopefully, and if not - who cares? You did great, you created great vibes with her, she was already thinking sex (but again, you forget the whole sex and virginity idea)..

Now:
(A) if she doesn't go just keep it positive, don't get upset, no drama, don't ask any explanation why. Just say you had a great time, walk her home while holding her hand, give her a last kiss (and grab her tits one more time if you can, don't forget pussy, duh!), smile and leave. DO NOT contact her, do not text her, nothing... I know you feel great, I know you want to text her the same minute she closes her door because you think you can do much more, and that you will lose her... I know you will be dreaming about her because she is your soulmate.... But WAIT! Chances are that she will contact you first, it may take 2-3 days but she will (because she had a great time, duh!). WAIT! Don't be surprised if she start asking you why you didn't contact her (hint: because you don't chase girls, duh! But don't tell her that). If not, I would WAIT at least 5 days before you contact her, and in the mean time, hopefully, you will practice abundance mentality with another girls. DUH! Chances are though that she WILL go for a second date with you, and this time she WILL be more open for sex. JUST WAIT! Go for the next date and repeat the above...

(B) if she goes with you you can be pretty much sure that she wants sex and she's open to it. She should be all wet by this time, and you just remain cool and relaxed, because you don't give a damn about whether sex will happen or not. You do not care, because you don't care about sex. Duh! You get back to your place, by this time you should be quite familiar with touching. So simply start touching and kissing again. She should be all excited, she should be touching and kissing back - because she also wants sex. She loves sex and will rather have it with you than with some old drunk. Now, assuming that you want to keep that girl, you just have to go for it otherwise you will lose her. Don't be afraid of her, you are 95% there, she wants it and she's already decided to sleep with you...

6. Don't be surprised is she begins chasing you, texting you, writing you romantic emails, getting all dramatic... It's actually quite annoying. She finally found the guy who can LOVE her just the way she is, and at the same time who can FUCK just the way she wants... She would be silly to let such guy go, duh!

You will be so surprised how EASY it is to be with that girl and have sex with her - as long as you don't consider having sex/losing virginity so important....
 

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Altair said:
a 22 year old virgin male is very uncommon in the USA.

Nope met a 23 year old virgin dude yesterday, he was cool.
 

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I call bullsh*t on that article. That percentage is too high. My psychology teacher showed me a study that said less than 25 percent of people were virgins. That seems more accurate to me. Plus, some girls say they are virgins but in reality most have sucked 20+ dicks, or received oral. I have only met one virgin girl who hadn't sucked lots of dick before, she was Muslim and came from a very conservative family.

I think men need sex to be psychologically healthy. The more sex a man has, the happier he usually feels. If you haven't gotten sex, especially for a long time, you feel like shit. It's your brain telling you to go out and get procreate.

The only people who say sex is not a big deal are usually the one's already getting sex! No shit it's not a big deal. FOR YOU. But for a guy who hasn't gotten laid, it's painful and depressing. It's analogous to a rich guy telling you "money is not really that big a deal." No dude, it is. The only reason you say that is because you're not struggling in that part area of your anymore. Having lots of money easily available is already part of your reality.
 

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Great point. It all depends how much value you assign to it though, e.g. you can be really happy without money (and/or sex). The money (or sex) itself will not bring you happiness, in contrary, they can bring you quite misery depending on how much you are "attached" to it. Once you have money or sex you'll realize that there are other things in life, and that those things really won't make you any happier or better person...

For example, there are many relatively poor people who don't care much about money. They always say that money won't bring them happiness. If the person makes $100 and loses $20 (20%), he gets upset but he doesn't care that much (or gives 20% to charity). They are not attached to money, the money have low value. Then he starts making money, open business, inherit or whatever, and all of the sudden the situation changes. He makes $100,000, he could buy many more things, and he might be very stressed about losing 20%), or $20,000. The more he makes the more he is attached to money.... Imagine a guy who makes 10 million. There are occasions where he invests, loses 20% - and he takes his life because he can't take the loss... To a normal person it doesn't make any sense because he still have 8 mill, but again, the normal person is not attached to the money... The rich guy is also less likely to give 20% of his money to charity. In comparison to a person who makes less... .

The same with sex. If a guy assigns too much value to it it is very difficult for him to feel any loss (rather all the rejections). He is so anxious to do everything right that he can't have fun with the girl, he can't have natural vibes with her. She then feels it, she feels that he is acting weird, too anxious, too uptight, and that's the reason why she rejects him. He then gets even more upset, and he's trying even harder, he's even more uptight about not getting laid.... He won't get laid by the age of 23 (or whatever his magic number is), and he will have nightmares from it for the rest of his life, while in reality nobody else really cares at what age you got laid... The reality is that it is just a number in YOUR head...

It is really just the "attachment" (to money, sex, girls or whatever else) that makes you miserable, not the money or sex itself....

Abundance Mentality sort of solves this problem, a guy is simply becoming less attached to one girl because he is focussing on more girls, thus he is much less anxious if losing couple girls....
 

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Altair: "As soon as guys go away for college they lose it within the first year thanks to dorm life and so many opportunities. I had to stay at home while doing my freshman year of college at a local university, ruined me for good"

If I wanted to bench 400 pounds in one year, I would have to work really really hard. I would be stressing about it, sweating and feeling pain... Chances are that I may not be able to bench 400 pounds at all. There are lots of younger guys who bench 400 pounds, and each time I would meet such guy I would feel inferior to him, miserable and insecure, I would get down on myself, I would feel ruined...

But what for? Nobody else cares, the 400 is just a number in my head, it is just imagined number that I am fixated on. For everybody else I am just some guy who lifts weights... they don't really care if I lift 150 or 500, or if I exercise at all...

On the other hand, if I make my goal to go to fitness 3x a week and just do something each day, even the minimum, and more importingly feel happy about exercising - it will have it much more positive effect on my life. Even if I do just one more reps each time, or add just two pounds to it every week - I'm always doing better than last time... And that's the true value you should focus on, being better in stead of beating yourself down for things you can't change...

So change your goal, forget the age number, it is totally useless and it obviously doesn't work for you. Focus on seduction skills, focus on meeting and talking to girls 3x per week, each time do at least minimum. More importingly learn to feel happy about meeting girls - and in no time you will feel the positive effect...
 

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Drck, solid post, I loved it but I want to know about the other method.

Do you think that bar game can save a virgin? I've always been outgoing but due to parenting and not having opportunities (living at home) I could never work out the logistics to get a girl at my place. Now I am living on my own with no room mates, I want to see how I can properly hit up the bar scene and get girls that are strangers.
 

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Why limit yourself to some number? Why limit yourself to some bar game or another place game?

Girls are everywhere. You talk to some and you think you are a total loser because there are not any vibes at all. You talk to others and you think you are great guy because there are great vibes. So find what's working for you, don't rape your personality just because you can't vibe with some girls. Find others.

You can fuck at the age of 13, 20, 47, 68, perhaps even 90. Who cares if you are a virgin at the age of 21, 30, or 40? The way I see it, you still have 60 long years of fucking, so don't limit yourself to some arbitrary number or game...

Happy decades of fucking :)
 

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No I mean how to get girls using bar game, your post applied to social circle type but I am talking more along the lines of a SNL.
 

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I think one way this might be true, is recent statistics say that the teen pregnancy rate has declined a lot.
 
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