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Hello brother,
You don't know me so to introduce myself I'm a fellow appreciator of Girlschase who'sstalked read the great resources on this site to my benefit for quite some time now. I'm nothing special by any means but I have gone from googling "how to get girls" when I was 13 to consistently sleeping with an average of ~8 girls a year for the last 3 years. Not too bad when the average lifetime partner count is 7 but this isn't about me.
This is about what I have learnt and principles I follow that gets me and other naturals I know results yet so few guys out there are sticking to consistently:
1. Be an outcome independent Eco-system that naturally attracts girls
Not RSD affiliated in anyway but Tyler has a great Youtube video on seeing yourself as an "eco-system" and not a person. In down to earth terms you should be so happy with your life whether that be socially, financially and hobbies/recreational activities that one particular girl won't change it much. There's a reason why happy go lucky guys get laid, they have a magnetic energy that draws people in. To make this even more real for you - who's invite would you accept out of these two?
Guy A: Hey man there's this sweet bar I know in XYZ, the drinks are great, the girl to guy ratio is on point and I'm heading there tonight - feel free to join
Guy B: Hey man do you have any plans tonight? I'm not doing much so if you aren't either let's hang out!
Guy B is 99% of men out there. Can't you just *feeeeeeeeel* the difference? Guy A is going to have a great time regardless of whether you're there or not. Guy B sounds like there'll be boring conversation, awkward eye contact and a sweaty handshake goodbye at the end of the night.
I would argue that the quickest way to get to genuinely being guy A & not pretending to be him is to have about 3 girls you're regularly fucking. Your life could be going to shit but if your dick is regularly getting sucked your happiness will probably float at around a 7/10 for a decent amount of time and you'll come across super chill. Is this backwards? Absolutely but just the nature of men I suppose (or me at least) *shrugs*. The more responsible and long-term way to achieve this is to be firing on all cylinders with health and your wealth in order too. You will notice a lot of these "PUA's" get depressed precisely because they're out of balance.
This attractive energy is even more nuanced in intimate moments. It's more attractive to pull a girl towards you then give her a little space to fill the gap and kiss you than it is to step into her personal space and force yourself upon her.
In summary turn yourself into a magnet that attracts people rather than a weird clown that repels.
Wayssss to do this include going to different bars/parks in your town so that you know where all the "cool" and hidden places are - all this takes is a google search and a visit. Getting good at photography and doing shoots for people. Becoming a promoter/bartender. Getting good at dancing or any other physical extroverted activity.
So many options out there if it's relatively sociable it's a place to start - failing that just try and look as good as you possibly can.
2. Numbers game
Getting to guy A when you're starting out isn't a joke. Out of the 3 girls he's regularly fucking he probably spoke to and was rejected by 100's depending on how naturally talented he was at the start. In summary men sleep with women through 4 primary ways:
Online Game
Day Game
Night Game
Social Circle
Pick one (maximum 2) and get good at it. There's pro's and cons to each that you can find them on this site. I would say if you're starting out sample each one then go all in on 1 or 2 that most make sense for you. E.g. Student with a load of free time? Night game and Social Circle, Busy working professional? Online game and Day game.
There's a lot of rejection & that's just the nature of life. Don't take it personally there's millions of reasons a girl isn't into you right now.
She could be in a bad mood, kind of still talking to her ex, focusing on her career and not talking to guys right now, recently came back from Ibiza where she fucked 2 guys in 1 week so wants to slow down for a bit. The list is truly endless.
It doesn't matter you have more important things in your life to dwell on it so keep meeting women until you click with some, sleep with them, then keep them around (if you so wish) then just rinse and repeat.
3. Have a dating system
I love this site and hold the authors particularly Chase in very high regard. I do however respectfully disagree with the one date rule.
For me personally 2 dates to sleep with girls really is the sweet spot. You get next to no LMR and it's more time efficient for busy people which if you're the cool guy you're or are working towards you should be
My dating sequence is like this:
> Go on a simple drinks date for 60-90 mins using deep dive (fucking game changer btw) fun conversation /humor and light bit of kino I rarely even kiss on first date anymore. I've noticed it can kill some of the tension and when your fundamentals reach a certain point it can be 100% on between you & a girl without it being explicitly said or physically shown.
While on the date I plant a seed for a second date. I used to think this was needy but when a girl did it to me it made sense and I quickly adopted it. Truth is if you're into someone you won't have problems agreeing to see them a 2nd time there and then.
Second date suggestion is for her to come round mine to: drink my cocktails, watch a film or cook her dinner depending on the conversation we had
>On the second date I meet her outside the metro station near my house then walk her to mine, go through the original plan then try to sleep with her.
Super simple. Last year I slept with 75% of girls I went on a second date with using this method. The beauty of this is that if it's on and the girl says she can come round yours on the first date you're more than welcome to do it right away which has happened to me before.
Furthermore if the girl flakes on you - you've only spent 90 minutes maximum rather than the 3/4 hour runs I've had in the past trying to sleep with a girl right away.
Now I will say this in caveat that the one date method serves a real purpose to get guys acting quickly as the vast majority do the opposite. It also forces you to have your fundamentals and game so down that the girl can't help but spend the night with you.
I'm a pragmatist at the end of the day though and for 99% of guys who aren't striving for upper echelon pussy mastery, 2 dates' system will get them to where they want to be quicker in my humble opinion
Furthermore I've done this with enough girls that I am un-phased when a girl is hesitant and unsure about this. To the point these days that rather than go on a 2nd date at another bar / cafe then to "turn her around" I find myself losing interest and having the whole thing fizzle out. I'm just at a different place to not have to deal with it - there are a plenty of girls out there who are more than happy to do this.
I don't say the above to show off but to lead nicely to my next point.
4. See seduction as a game and follow your own rules
Everyone gets more no's than yes's so keep it in mind and treat it as a fun game. When approaching girls I'm asking if they have boyfriends 5/10 seconds in. All in a playful socially graceful way of course. Again I do not have the time to messing around. I know others preach persisting but I personally don't bother.
One thing I noticed as I got better was more and more girls would love to text endlessly without having any intention of meeting me. This was back when I did a lot more online game and it took me close to a year to realise a lot of times girls just like the attention. I felt like an idiot as to why it took me so long to realise this lol.
Have rules based on your experience and don't stray from them - it will keep you sane/in check and make things more fun. Some rules I follow include:
-Never inviting a girl to meet more than 2x in a row.
Man I'm so passionate about this rule that I could right a post on it. Essentially I have not found it worth my while to pursue "maybe" girls. These are girls who never directly ignore you or say no but instead always have a convenient often convincing excuse not to see you. E.g. Work's too busy, seeing family, last minute change of plan etc. Out of the 39 girls I've slept with only 1 was a "maybe" girl who finally came to my house after my fifth invite. For context this was always in a socially graceful low effort way e.g. I know you like Lebanese there's this new place by the river or I'm throwing a house party feel free to come etc. Anyway long story short I slept with her then she said she wasn't over her ex and proceeded to friend zone me. Since then I vowed to myself not to bother with a maybe girl again.
The way it works is after the 2nd "excuse" I say no worries, I'll stop hitting you up & will leave it with you to come back to me with a time you're free. This immediately separates the time wasters from the real ones. Time waster girls will stop texting you or try and continue the conversation (I'd advise you to not entertain it) whilst legit girls will pop up in a few days - sometimes weeks time with their schedule.
The mental calmness this rule gives you is unbelievable. Honestly try it for yourself. Count a cool strike 1 then okay strike 2 in your head before deleting their number. When that first girl hits you back, then meets/sleeps with you - trust me you just won't go back. If you only take one thing from this post please make it be the above rule. If more guys enforced it I think girl's behavior would change for the better lol.
Last thing you want is to end up like Guy B who probably triple texts himself to get no replies
Don't force anything
Honestly if I feel a girl just isn't into it for whatever reason I back off. Maybe it's my empathetic side but I only want girls who are really into me for me. I even friend zoned myself with one girl who was in my bed as she was super cool but clearly not attracted to me as well as too polite/shy to reject me more confidently. No big deal it happens.
Drama isn't tolerated
I'm a fun loving, low maintenance person and expect the same back. Usually my drama these days comes from a girl not feeling that I'm into her so I often address the underlying problem rather than the drama itself but if anything comes up that I don't like I'll calmly tell her that I don't like it. Should she have her tantrum and storm outside of my room (which has only happened with 3/4 girls) I let them go and give them time to cool off before they typically return & apologise. Hold your frame girls know when they're pushing the boundaries and a part of them wants to see how you react.
Don't get angry. Don't get needy. Calmly tell them it's not on.
They'll rarely admit it but they'll love and respect you for it.
5. Don't get bitter get better
Without getting too deep this is something I still battle with sometimes. On this journey some outrageous shit has happened and I think the reason I have improved and got the results I have (which are attainable to anyone) is because I have taken every "negative experience" as a learning curve.
For example(s):
I took a tinder date to an exclusive club as an artist she liked was playing there and she ended up going home with the promoter > I re-learnt the lesson to keep dates simple and I actually befriended the girl as she brought 3 girlfriends with her. A few more female friends like that and I can go to any club in my city whenever. Most guys would get petty or desperate I just took the lesson and kept it moving.
Countless girls sleeping with me/dating me then saying they're excited to see me again before ghosting or doing a full U-turn > Learnt the lesson that girls live in temporary truths. She isn't lying when she says what she says she's just going with what she feels at the time. Don't take it personally and focus on her follow up actions rather then what she says in the moment
Girls getting boyfriends while in my rotation then dropping off > Lol I don't know how I feel about this one. Guess it's good for me to have the experience to filter out who the true wifey's are out here ahahahha
Now to balance out the above I've had some truly incredible girls in my life too who have bought me travel tickets to different countries, concerts to musicians I like, watches and gifts etc. Some who've been truly supportive to my goals in life and who I genuinely learnt from and respected for their high moral standards and positive character. You just have to take the smooth with the rough and on this bachelorhood journey I must say I'm a lot more astute at reading people and just being super chill/fun regardless of what happens.
In case people ask for boring stuff I'm 23, an ethnic minority and live in a major city. I wrote this as I had unexpected negative tension after a recent situation and thought this would be a positive giving back outlet. Couple more interesting posts in my head that I might put out there so let me know what you guys think
All the best,
DWW
You don't know me so to introduce myself I'm a fellow appreciator of Girlschase who's
This is about what I have learnt and principles I follow that gets me and other naturals I know results yet so few guys out there are sticking to consistently:
1. Be an outcome independent Eco-system that naturally attracts girls
Not RSD affiliated in anyway but Tyler has a great Youtube video on seeing yourself as an "eco-system" and not a person. In down to earth terms you should be so happy with your life whether that be socially, financially and hobbies/recreational activities that one particular girl won't change it much. There's a reason why happy go lucky guys get laid, they have a magnetic energy that draws people in. To make this even more real for you - who's invite would you accept out of these two?
Guy A: Hey man there's this sweet bar I know in XYZ, the drinks are great, the girl to guy ratio is on point and I'm heading there tonight - feel free to join
Guy B: Hey man do you have any plans tonight? I'm not doing much so if you aren't either let's hang out!
Guy B is 99% of men out there. Can't you just *feeeeeeeeel* the difference? Guy A is going to have a great time regardless of whether you're there or not. Guy B sounds like there'll be boring conversation, awkward eye contact and a sweaty handshake goodbye at the end of the night.
I would argue that the quickest way to get to genuinely being guy A & not pretending to be him is to have about 3 girls you're regularly fucking. Your life could be going to shit but if your dick is regularly getting sucked your happiness will probably float at around a 7/10 for a decent amount of time and you'll come across super chill. Is this backwards? Absolutely but just the nature of men I suppose (or me at least) *shrugs*. The more responsible and long-term way to achieve this is to be firing on all cylinders with health and your wealth in order too. You will notice a lot of these "PUA's" get depressed precisely because they're out of balance.
This attractive energy is even more nuanced in intimate moments. It's more attractive to pull a girl towards you then give her a little space to fill the gap and kiss you than it is to step into her personal space and force yourself upon her.
In summary turn yourself into a magnet that attracts people rather than a weird clown that repels.
Wayssss to do this include going to different bars/parks in your town so that you know where all the "cool" and hidden places are - all this takes is a google search and a visit. Getting good at photography and doing shoots for people. Becoming a promoter/bartender. Getting good at dancing or any other physical extroverted activity.
So many options out there if it's relatively sociable it's a place to start - failing that just try and look as good as you possibly can.
2. Numbers game
Getting to guy A when you're starting out isn't a joke. Out of the 3 girls he's regularly fucking he probably spoke to and was rejected by 100's depending on how naturally talented he was at the start. In summary men sleep with women through 4 primary ways:
Online Game
Day Game
Night Game
Social Circle
Pick one (maximum 2) and get good at it. There's pro's and cons to each that you can find them on this site. I would say if you're starting out sample each one then go all in on 1 or 2 that most make sense for you. E.g. Student with a load of free time? Night game and Social Circle, Busy working professional? Online game and Day game.
There's a lot of rejection & that's just the nature of life. Don't take it personally there's millions of reasons a girl isn't into you right now.
She could be in a bad mood, kind of still talking to her ex, focusing on her career and not talking to guys right now, recently came back from Ibiza where she fucked 2 guys in 1 week so wants to slow down for a bit. The list is truly endless.
It doesn't matter you have more important things in your life to dwell on it so keep meeting women until you click with some, sleep with them, then keep them around (if you so wish) then just rinse and repeat.
3. Have a dating system
I love this site and hold the authors particularly Chase in very high regard. I do however respectfully disagree with the one date rule.
For me personally 2 dates to sleep with girls really is the sweet spot. You get next to no LMR and it's more time efficient for busy people which if you're the cool guy you're or are working towards you should be
My dating sequence is like this:
> Go on a simple drinks date for 60-90 mins using deep dive (fucking game changer btw) fun conversation /humor and light bit of kino I rarely even kiss on first date anymore. I've noticed it can kill some of the tension and when your fundamentals reach a certain point it can be 100% on between you & a girl without it being explicitly said or physically shown.
While on the date I plant a seed for a second date. I used to think this was needy but when a girl did it to me it made sense and I quickly adopted it. Truth is if you're into someone you won't have problems agreeing to see them a 2nd time there and then.
Second date suggestion is for her to come round mine to: drink my cocktails, watch a film or cook her dinner depending on the conversation we had
>On the second date I meet her outside the metro station near my house then walk her to mine, go through the original plan then try to sleep with her.
Super simple. Last year I slept with 75% of girls I went on a second date with using this method. The beauty of this is that if it's on and the girl says she can come round yours on the first date you're more than welcome to do it right away which has happened to me before.
Furthermore if the girl flakes on you - you've only spent 90 minutes maximum rather than the 3/4 hour runs I've had in the past trying to sleep with a girl right away.
Now I will say this in caveat that the one date method serves a real purpose to get guys acting quickly as the vast majority do the opposite. It also forces you to have your fundamentals and game so down that the girl can't help but spend the night with you.
I'm a pragmatist at the end of the day though and for 99% of guys who aren't striving for upper echelon pussy mastery, 2 dates' system will get them to where they want to be quicker in my humble opinion
Furthermore I've done this with enough girls that I am un-phased when a girl is hesitant and unsure about this. To the point these days that rather than go on a 2nd date at another bar / cafe then to "turn her around" I find myself losing interest and having the whole thing fizzle out. I'm just at a different place to not have to deal with it - there are a plenty of girls out there who are more than happy to do this.
I don't say the above to show off but to lead nicely to my next point.
4. See seduction as a game and follow your own rules
Everyone gets more no's than yes's so keep it in mind and treat it as a fun game. When approaching girls I'm asking if they have boyfriends 5/10 seconds in. All in a playful socially graceful way of course. Again I do not have the time to messing around. I know others preach persisting but I personally don't bother.
One thing I noticed as I got better was more and more girls would love to text endlessly without having any intention of meeting me. This was back when I did a lot more online game and it took me close to a year to realise a lot of times girls just like the attention. I felt like an idiot as to why it took me so long to realise this lol.
Have rules based on your experience and don't stray from them - it will keep you sane/in check and make things more fun. Some rules I follow include:
-Never inviting a girl to meet more than 2x in a row.
Man I'm so passionate about this rule that I could right a post on it. Essentially I have not found it worth my while to pursue "maybe" girls. These are girls who never directly ignore you or say no but instead always have a convenient often convincing excuse not to see you. E.g. Work's too busy, seeing family, last minute change of plan etc. Out of the 39 girls I've slept with only 1 was a "maybe" girl who finally came to my house after my fifth invite. For context this was always in a socially graceful low effort way e.g. I know you like Lebanese there's this new place by the river or I'm throwing a house party feel free to come etc. Anyway long story short I slept with her then she said she wasn't over her ex and proceeded to friend zone me. Since then I vowed to myself not to bother with a maybe girl again.
The way it works is after the 2nd "excuse" I say no worries, I'll stop hitting you up & will leave it with you to come back to me with a time you're free. This immediately separates the time wasters from the real ones. Time waster girls will stop texting you or try and continue the conversation (I'd advise you to not entertain it) whilst legit girls will pop up in a few days - sometimes weeks time with their schedule.
The mental calmness this rule gives you is unbelievable. Honestly try it for yourself. Count a cool strike 1 then okay strike 2 in your head before deleting their number. When that first girl hits you back, then meets/sleeps with you - trust me you just won't go back. If you only take one thing from this post please make it be the above rule. If more guys enforced it I think girl's behavior would change for the better lol.
Last thing you want is to end up like Guy B who probably triple texts himself to get no replies
Don't force anything
Honestly if I feel a girl just isn't into it for whatever reason I back off. Maybe it's my empathetic side but I only want girls who are really into me for me. I even friend zoned myself with one girl who was in my bed as she was super cool but clearly not attracted to me as well as too polite/shy to reject me more confidently. No big deal it happens.
Drama isn't tolerated
I'm a fun loving, low maintenance person and expect the same back. Usually my drama these days comes from a girl not feeling that I'm into her so I often address the underlying problem rather than the drama itself but if anything comes up that I don't like I'll calmly tell her that I don't like it. Should she have her tantrum and storm outside of my room (which has only happened with 3/4 girls) I let them go and give them time to cool off before they typically return & apologise. Hold your frame girls know when they're pushing the boundaries and a part of them wants to see how you react.
Don't get angry. Don't get needy. Calmly tell them it's not on.
They'll rarely admit it but they'll love and respect you for it.
5. Don't get bitter get better
Without getting too deep this is something I still battle with sometimes. On this journey some outrageous shit has happened and I think the reason I have improved and got the results I have (which are attainable to anyone) is because I have taken every "negative experience" as a learning curve.
For example(s):
I took a tinder date to an exclusive club as an artist she liked was playing there and she ended up going home with the promoter > I re-learnt the lesson to keep dates simple and I actually befriended the girl as she brought 3 girlfriends with her. A few more female friends like that and I can go to any club in my city whenever. Most guys would get petty or desperate I just took the lesson and kept it moving.
Countless girls sleeping with me/dating me then saying they're excited to see me again before ghosting or doing a full U-turn > Learnt the lesson that girls live in temporary truths. She isn't lying when she says what she says she's just going with what she feels at the time. Don't take it personally and focus on her follow up actions rather then what she says in the moment
Girls getting boyfriends while in my rotation then dropping off > Lol I don't know how I feel about this one. Guess it's good for me to have the experience to filter out who the true wifey's are out here ahahahha
Now to balance out the above I've had some truly incredible girls in my life too who have bought me travel tickets to different countries, concerts to musicians I like, watches and gifts etc. Some who've been truly supportive to my goals in life and who I genuinely learnt from and respected for their high moral standards and positive character. You just have to take the smooth with the rough and on this bachelorhood journey I must say I'm a lot more astute at reading people and just being super chill/fun regardless of what happens.
In case people ask for boring stuff I'm 23, an ethnic minority and live in a major city. I wrote this as I had unexpected negative tension after a recent situation and thought this would be a positive giving back outlet. Couple more interesting posts in my head that I might put out there so let me know what you guys think
All the best,
DWW
