5'9" Chinese guy attracted to white american girls, will I have any chance?

[AbWongX]

Hi all. So I'm heading to the US for my Master's soon. As a 5'9" average-looking Chinese man born and raised in Singapore, I am starting to get attracted to white women, especially tall blonde girls. However, I'm feeling anxious about my dating prospects soon in the US. My male friends who've been to the US and studied there have got me feeling a bit unsure, haha.

They're saying young beautiful white girls, especially blonde women, usually go for white guys and if they go for guys who are not white, usually go for black guys or hispanic guys. And they also said that based on their personal experience East Asian guys there were considered ugly and asexual by white women unless the Asian guy is genetically gifted (e.g. looks like a 6'1" tall Korean male model or kpop singer). Apparently, the whole COVID thing didn't help the image of Chinese men in the US much either.

For your information I've had a high-school Chinese girlfriend and a few flings in Singapore. But America might be a whole different ball game. And after all the "Asian guys are unattractive" studies my friends have sent like these:

Patterns of Racial-Ethnic Exclusion by Internet Daters

Abstract. Using data from 6070 U.S. heterosexual internet dating profiles, this study examines how racial and gender exclusions are revealed in the prefere

doi.org

Asian males and black females are more highly excluded than their opposite-sex counterparts

Single Female Seeking Same-Race Male

archive.nytimes.com

For equal success with a white woman, an Asian man needs $247,000.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm in for a brutal reality check when I go to America and try to get a girlfriend there. What if I become an incel?

It's scary, because I was actually in LA last year, and I saw like every possible combination except Asian man with a white girl. Like, tons of white men with Asian girls, but the reverse? Nonexistent. Also, I know some Chinese women who are married to a white American man in my life but no Chinese man married to a white American girl. Starting to think my pessimistic friends might be onto something.

 

[Skills]

Asian looking guys do very well specially south Korean ones and Vietnamese, Chinese

 

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[Atlas IV]

There's a great little parable that Chase wrote about four guys at a bar who each complain that only guys with a certain trait can get women (height, looks, money, white skin). I can't find the title, but it's really memorable and addresses your question.

Fundamentals trump everything in seduction, including race. I'm not sure where most of the guys on this forum are from, but I'd say we're pretty well-represented around the world. Just focus on learning cold approach pickup and you won't need to worry about becoming an incel!

 

[theReason]

stop having anxiety about it and be the smoothest motherfucker in america (when you get here)

for atlas vi:
https://www.girlschase.com/content/i-cant-get-girls-because-girls-only-want-blank

 

[AspiringStoic]

Hi all. So I'm heading to the US for my Master's soon. As a 5'9" average-looking Chinese man born and raised in Singapore, I am starting to get attracted to white women, especially tall blonde girls. However, I'm feeling anxious about my dating prospects soon in the US. My male friends who've been to the US and studied there have got me feeling a bit unsure, haha.

They're saying young beautiful white girls, especially blonde women, usually go for white guys and if they go for guys who are not white, usually go for black guys or hispanic guys. And they also said that based on their personal experience East Asian guys there were considered ugly and asexual by white women unless the Asian guy is genetically gifted (e.g. looks like a 6'1" tall Korean male model or kpop singer). Apparently, the whole COVID thing didn't help the image of Chinese men in the US much either.

For your information I've had a high-school Chinese girlfriend and a few flings in Singapore. But America might be a whole different ball game. And after all the "Asian guys are unattractive" studies my friends have sent like these:

Patterns of Racial-Ethnic Exclusion by Internet Daters

Abstract. Using data from 6070 U.S. heterosexual internet dating profiles, this study examines how racial and gender exclusions are revealed in the prefere

doi.org

Asian males and black females are more highly excluded than their opposite-sex counterparts

Single Female Seeking Same-Race Male

archive.nytimes.com

For equal success with a white woman, an Asian man needs $247,000.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm in for a brutal reality check when I go to America and try to get a girlfriend there. What if I become an incel?

It's scary, because I was actually in LA last year, and I saw like every possible combination except Asian man with a white girl. Like, tons of white men with Asian girls, but the reverse? Nonexistent. Also, I know some Chinese women who are married to a white American man in my life but no Chinese man married to a white American girl. Starting to think my pessimistic friends might be onto something.

Man I am very close friends with an Asian guy. He is a bit older. He had the same views you are mentioning. Then he found PUA and turned his life around and realized how white girls not only did not mind that he was Asian but found it really cool. He has dated multiple really cute white girls in both the US and Europe.

His biggest regret was he let his entire 20s go by stuck on these mindsets. Stay well away from such scientific studies. They just ask women questions and women answer from a logical headspace.

When a guy is actually in front of them all attraction happens in the emotional realm. Just in this thread someone linked an Asian PUA. If you already have a firm belief that Asians are unattractive your mind will ignore and literally rule out any proof you see of an Asian guy doing well with white girls. Protect your mind.

 

[Chase]

@AbWongX,

Check out this interview with @Michael Chief, who is a 5'7" Asian dude who does just fine with white girls.

Michael Chief | Getting Lots of Love from Women

In this interview with Girls Chase founder Chase Amante, Mike Chief discusses being loved by women, polyamory, picking up girls as a short, Asian, introverted man, and more. In this interview, Girls Chase founder Chase Amante picks the brain of erstwhile Girls Chase contributor Michael Chief...

www.girlschase.com

You may also want to see this article by Jerome Wu, a heavily-accented Chinese friend of mine who stands 5'5" and picked up lots of attractive white girls when I knew him in Southern California.

Asian Guys and White Girls: The Secret to Success

Note from Chase: Every now and then I get asked about Asian guys and white girls. I understand why some guys ask this; there is a very human tendency we all have to say, "Well, that may work for you, but it's only because you're white / black / Asian / tall / muscular / super smart / naturally...

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I have known lots of Asian playboys who did really well with white girls.

I used to be on a private forum that had I think 3 different guys who were picking up chicks regularly, including plenty of white girls, and all had the name "David." We used to joke that that forum was "home of the Asian Davids." They were all skilled guys.

Focus on game, rather than stuff you can't control, and you'll go far.

Chase

 

[Spyce D]

A bit of off topic ... But a lot of it has got to do with your beliefs regarding your race .

If you see it as a hinderance then it will be a hinderance . Example , some western guys who believe that good white chicks are gone case and will date non - whites . ( Well , tbh there are lot of fair skinned folks outside of euro-america who aren't considered white , like me ) .

It all stems from beliefs .

When it comes to attracting women from those races who might have bad assumptions about us ... Self beliefs , adaptability matters a lot .

Adaptability as in you can adapt to the market like how companies do .

Anyways , these are my beliefs regarding dating women from different races , religions .

I could elaborate a bit more but dealing with some brain fog these days .

 

[Dragonetti]

A good rule of thumb is this:

The answer to any question like "can I do well with dating goals even though I have X physical or cultural attribute," is "Yes" unless it's some sort of extreme deformity or handicap.

 

[AbWongX]

@AbWongX,

Check out this interview with @Michael Chief, who is a 5'7" Asian dude who does just fine with white girls.

Michael Chief | Getting Lots of Love from Women

In this interview with Girls Chase founder Chase Amante, Mike Chief discusses being loved by women, polyamory, picking up girls as a short, Asian, introverted man, and more. In this interview, Girls Chase founder Chase Amante picks the brain of erstwhile Girls Chase contributor Michael Chief...

www.girlschase.com

You may also want to see this article by Jerome Wu, a heavily-accented Chinese friend of mine who stands 5'5" and picked up lots of attractive white girls when I knew him in Southern California.

Asian Guys and White Girls: The Secret to Success

Note from Chase: Every now and then I get asked about Asian guys and white girls. I understand why some guys ask this; there is a very human tendency we all have to say, "Well, that may work for you, but it's only because you're white / black / Asian / tall / muscular / super smart / naturally...

www.girlschase.com

I have known lots of Asian playboys who did really well with white girls.

I used to be on a private forum that had I think 3 different guys who were picking up chicks regularly, including plenty of white girls, and all had the name "David." We used to joke that that forum was "home of the Asian Davids." They were all skilled guys.

Focus on game, rather than stuff you can't control, and you'll go far.

Chase

Hey Chase,

Thanks for the advice and those stories—they're interesting. I have two quick questions: (1) I'm a bit worried about my Chinese accent whenever I talk to people in the US. How much does it matter? If it matters, do you have any tips on how to minimize it? (2) This might be an awkward question since you are a tall white man, but do you think a Chinese/Asian guy can ever successfully compete with a white guy for the attention of a particular white girl in the US? The reason I’m asking is that I recently saw a video where a white guy stole an Asian girl from a Chinese guy. It’s been kind of demoralizing because the comments on that video were saying unpleasant things like ,"most brutal blackpill", "just be white" ... The girl in the video is Asian - not white - but I’m worried that white girls in the US might have the same attitude. Any insights or tips on how to stand out as an Asian man in such difficult situations?

This is the YouTube video for your information.

 

[alexlaguma]

You'll be fine bro. Yes it might be slightly more difficult for you than your average white guy, but so what? Pretty much everyone has things they need to overcome. You basically have two choices - (1) tell yourself that its a severe limitation and accept that you won't be able to pull girls because of it or (2) accept it and decide that you are going to be successful with women regardless, and that you will find a way.

By the way ... I'm talking from a slight position of experience here. I am not asian, but I am short (a lot shorter than you at 5'9!) and I've slept with well over 100 women, with the vast majority of those being minimum 7/10. Obviously being short is a limiting factor, I would much rather be tall, but so fucking what. I still pull, always. I find a way lol. You will too !

But ... as someone else said earlier, its all about fundamentals. When you are short you can't get away without having those. I know tall guy friends of mine who dress like shit, are out of shape etc. But they pull on nights out, they get freebies. You don't get any freebies when you are short (well, sometimes lol but rarely) so you've gotta have all the fundamentals in place. But so what ... its a good thing to have them anyway, so think of it as a positive ... it will force you to become a well rounded person who has got their shit together.

 

[Skills]

Hey Chase,

Thanks for the advice and those stories—they're interesting. I have two quick questions: (1) I'm a bit worried about my Chinese accent whenever I talk to people in the US. How much does it matter? If it matters, do you have any tips on how to minimize it? (2) This might be an awkward question since you are a tall white man, but do you think a Chinese/Asian guy can ever successfully compete with a white guy for the attention of a particular white girl in the US? The reason I’m asking is that I recently saw a video where a white guy stole an Asian girl from a Chinese guy. It’s been kind of demoralizing because the comments on that video were saying unpleasant things like ,"most brutal blackpill", "just be white" ... The girl in the video is Asian - not white - but I’m worried that white girls in the US might have the same attitude. Any insights or tips on how to stand out as an Asian man in such difficult situations?

This is the YouTube video for your information.

This video have too many nuances, and of course a lot of black pillers and losers that don't know what they are seeing being negative, blaming it on race...

What do we see in the video is a 2 set, and 3 guys, 2 of those guys are friends, one of the friends, hooked up with one of the girls already.... Women have a group mentality, so is likely that the other friend will lean toward the friend of her best friend hooking up with the guy.... Also the other dude was trying to hard, the other dude was doing micro escalation and chilling.... What does that have to do with you being chinese???

All those comments are from virgins...

there is an asian guy here that does very well @samuraijack he is not that active anymore but he did pretty good...There is also @Michael Chief he was doing pretty good back in the day, a lot of instructors used to be asian, they did pretty good...

Think about it people may automatically stereotype and perceive:

- you are hardworker
- you may be able to fight (bruce lee)
- you may have money
- you may be a above average intelligence...
-dress better than average

Those are automatic Chinese stereotypes, there is also the exotic factor of being Chinese...

Stop watching those negative type videos there are plenty of pua asian guys successful at least that i have seen in the community about 20...

 

[Gorili]

Hey Chase,

Thanks for the advice and those stories—they're interesting. I have two quick questions: (1) I'm a bit worried about my Chinese accent whenever I talk to people in the US. How much does it matter? If it matters, do you have any tips on how to minimize it? (2) This might be an awkward question since you are a tall white man, but do you think a Chinese/Asian guy can ever successfully compete with a white guy for the attention of a particular white girl in the US? The reason I’m asking is that I recently saw a video where a white guy stole an Asian girl from a Chinese guy. It’s been kind of demoralizing because the comments on that video were saying unpleasant things like ,"most brutal blackpill", "just be white" ... The girl in the video is Asian - not white - but I’m worried that white girls in the US might have the same attitude. Any insights or tips on how to stand out as an Asian man in such difficult situations?

This is the YouTube video for your information.

@AbWongX - like @Skills wrote, the dynamics are much more complex and not black-and-white (racial correlation = causation) like what you wrote.

This video also takes place in Hong Kong, where those guys might have a foreigner effect boost.

Funny enough, it seems like Chase has wrote a full blown article analyzing exactly this video here: https://www.girlschase.com/article/pickup-tech/winning-tug-war-girl-venue

If you're looking for practical, actionable tips, check out the 'Wrap Up' section at the bottom of the article.

 

[Chase]

@AbWongX,

Hey Chase,

Thanks for the advice and those stories—they're interesting. I have two quick questions: (1) I'm a bit worried about my Chinese accent whenever I talk to people in the US. How much does it matter? If it matters, do you have any tips on how to minimize it?

Some girls may not like it. Some girls will be intrigued. Some girls won't care.

I have two friends with heavy Chinese accents who did just fine picking up girls in the US. Including white girls. Though both have since returned to Zhongguo.

(2) This might be an awkward question since you are a tall white man, but do you think a Chinese/Asian guy can ever successfully compete with a white guy for the attention of a particular white girl in the US? The reason I’m asking is that I recently saw a video where a white guy stole an Asian girl from a Chinese guy. It’s been kind of demoralizing because the comments on that video were saying unpleasant things like ,"most brutal blackpill", "just be white" ... The girl in the video is Asian - not white - but I’m worried that white girls in the US might have the same attitude. Any insights or tips on how to stand out as an Asian man in such difficult situations?

This is the YouTube video for your information.

I broke that video down in-depth 3 years ago. It's not what at all what it looks like or how the uploader framed/titled it or how the clueless YouTube commenters interpreted it:

Winning the Tug-of-War for a Girl in a Venue

In this video, two guys go head-to-head for a cute, horny club girl. One of them wins, and presumably gets the lay, while the other of them (painfully) loses: This video's titled as "guy gets his girl friend stolen in under 3 minutes" but the girl's clearly not his girlfriend. I'll tell you what...

www.girlschase.com

A few points from the article:

• Asian dude clearly met her that night, same as white dude. It's not clear if Asian dude met her first then white dudes tried to swoop, or if white dudes met her first then Asian dude tried to swoop in and steal her away (which some Asian dudes will definitely try to do when they see girls talking to foreigners, especially when you are IN Asia).
  
  
• The video opens with the girl leaning away from Asian guy (who has his arm around her), with one of her hands in white guy's lap. Already at the video open, Asian dude is chasing Asian girl, Asian girl is resisting Asian dude, Asian girl is compliant with white dude.
  
  
• White dude has significantly better technical game than Asian dude, whose only game appears to be "be animated and social." We never see the Asian girl do anything more than give the Asian dude polite, platonic conversation; meanwhile she is clearly attracted to the white dude.

I have a bunch more analysis there. But the basic gist is both guys just met her, both are trying to pick her up, but the white dude has better game, possibly has a head start (if he met her first; there's no way to tell for certain), and the Asian dude's bag of tricks are limited to "being social" and "chasing after her." White dude knows better than to chase, and whenever she's engaged in talking to the Asian dude, unlike the Asian dude, he DOES NOT CHASE. He re-interests her in more seductive ways instead.

The only 'black pill' any guy should take from that video is "Shit, if I don't learn game, I'll NEVER out-pull guys who learn game!"

And yes, Asian dudes can out-compete white dudes for girls.

Saw it plenty of times with my mPUA Korean-American friend. Any guy of any race who went head-to-head with him for a girl was going to lose. He was talented with girls and thrived on competition.

Finally, I will say that:

1. The general level of 'average guy' game is definitely higher in the US than in East Asia.
   
   
2. So if you are starting out using 'average Asian guy game' you are going to struggle going head-to-head with average American guys and probably mostly lose.
   
   
3. Once you get to the point where you have GOOD GAME, in general, you will be far above both 'average Asian guys' AND 'average American guys', to the point where neither of these guys are competition for you anymore.

It really all devolves down to "Are you gonna learn game or not?"

If yes, nothing to worry about. (well, at least "nothing to worry about once you get good game" )

If no... then you probably want to stick to dating within the Chinese expat groups (who tend to be pretty insular anyway)!

Chase

 

[Skills]

@AbWongX - like @Skills wrote, the dynamics are much more complex and not black-and-white (racial correlation = causation) like what you wrote.

This video also takes place in Hong Kong, where those guys might have a foreigner effect boost.

Funny enough, it seems like Chase has wrote a full blown article analyzing exactly this video here: https://www.girlschase.com/article/pickup-tech/winning-tug-war-girl-venue

If you're looking for practical, actionable tips, check out the 'Wrap Up' section at the bottom of the article.

Oh the video in China? If that is true facepalm... correct shiny new object syndrome... foreign boost..

 

[sejinthejong]

Hey bro,

I'm an Asian guy. These are few things I will say.

#1 Location (which state)
You'll do far better in California and New York versus any other states without any Asian population (Idk Kentucky?).

#2 I noticed even when you're in Asian dominated regions, Asian dudes tend to hang out with other Asians. So when you visited LA, Asian dudes aren't seen much with other race groups of girls so you tend to not see AM paired with other races versus say Asian girls paired with white men or other pairings.

For example, if I go to a salsa dance event or acting class/etc, I tend to be the only Asian guy. When I went to parties, it's mostly Asian girls and no Asian guys. Idk why but that's how I've seen it generally in Socal LA area.

You could say it's because other race of guys doesn't want Asian guys (what those subgroups listed above would say) around or doesn't wanna be friends but that reasoning wouldn't hold for other examples I listed like salsa dance classes or acting classes.

#3 Asian dudes tend to be awkward in general socially.

So you put these things together, and Asian guys tend to stick to their own while more Asian girls are willing to go out of the "Asian Bubble" to join other venues of meeting people.

Now I will say, I did run into Asian girls who 'look down' on Asian guys. But these are the types of girls that have insecurity issues about their race. I would say these are fewer than Asian girls who simply pair up with other races of guys (mostly white) simply because Asian girls go out and join the 'mainstream culture' versus not wanting to be seen with other Asian guys.

And at the same time, there are many negative stereotypes historically in the U.S towards East Asians (Nerdy, small dick, socially awkward, etc). But these are kind of played down now due to the rise of East Asia/kpop/kdrama etc.


The answer is simple, but it may be hard for you also. And it's this.

Be willing to be the only Asian guy in a social group. And know that when you're the only X (insert w/e factor that stands out) Guy, there's no hiding. Therefore, you will improve very fast. It'll be comfortable to join Asian groups when you get here to 'get Boba, hit up Ktown, get kbbq BUT if your goal is to get white girls, know that you have to go outside of your comfort zones. (unless if you want the white girls that wants the Asian guys, in that case you can find em in Asia too)

Also know that, you will get shit tested by alot of guys of other races because they're not used to Asian guys being good with girls. Workout + MMA

And most of all, fundaments + game.

Cheers!

 

[AspiringStoic]

If I remember correctly, I saw an old school pickup saying somewhere

"The PUA is always the exception"

So once you get good, none of the general trends about height, race, dating culture etc apply to to you that much.

 

[AbWongX]

@AbWongX,



Some girls may not like it. Some girls will be intrigued. Some girls won't care.

I have two friends with heavy Chinese accents who did just fine picking up girls in the US. Including white girls. Though both have since returned to Zhongguo.



I broke that video down in-depth 3 years ago. It's not what at all what it looks like or how the uploader framed/titled it or how the clueless YouTube commenters interpreted it:

Winning the Tug-of-War for a Girl in a Venue

In this video, two guys go head-to-head for a cute, horny club girl. One of them wins, and presumably gets the lay, while the other of them (painfully) loses: This video's titled as "guy gets his girl friend stolen in under 3 minutes" but the girl's clearly not his girlfriend. I'll tell you what...

www.girlschase.com

A few points from the article:

• Asian dude clearly met her that night, same as white dude. It's not clear if Asian dude met her first then white dudes tried to swoop, or if white dudes met her first then Asian dude tried to swoop in and steal her away (which some Asian dudes will definitely try to do when they see girls talking to foreigners, especially when you are IN Asia).
  
  
• The video opens with the girl leaning away from Asian guy (who has his arm around her), with one of her hands in white guy's lap. Already at the video open, Asian dude is chasing Asian girl, Asian girl is resisting Asian dude, Asian girl is compliant with white dude.
  
  
• White dude has significantly better technical game than Asian dude, whose only game appears to be "be animated and social." We never see the Asian girl do anything more than give the Asian dude polite, platonic conversation; meanwhile she is clearly attracted to the white dude.

I have a bunch more analysis there. But the basic gist is both guys just met her, both are trying to pick her up, but the white dude has better game, possibly has a head start (if he met her first; there's no way to tell for certain), and the Asian dude's bag of tricks are limited to "being social" and "chasing after her." White dude knows better than to chase, and whenever she's engaged in talking to the Asian dude, unlike the Asian dude, he DOES NOT CHASE. He re-interests her in more seductive ways instead.

The only 'black pill' any guy should take from that video is "Shit, if I don't learn game, I'll NEVER out-pull guys who learn game!"

And yes, Asian dudes can out-compete white dudes for girls.

Saw it plenty of times with my mPUA Korean-American friend. Any guy of any race who went head-to-head with him for a girl was going to lose. He was talented with girls and thrived on competition.

Finally, I will say that:

1. The general level of 'average guy' game is definitely higher in the US than in East Asia.
   
   
2. So if you are starting out using 'average Asian guy game' you are going to struggle going head-to-head with average American guys and probably mostly lose.
   
   
3. Once you get to the point where you have GOOD GAME, in general, you will be far above both 'average Asian guys' AND 'average American guys', to the point where neither of these guys are competition for you anymore.

It really all devolves down to "Are you gonna learn game or not?"

If yes, nothing to worry about. (well, at least "nothing to worry about once you get good game" )

If no... then you probably want to stick to dating within the Chinese expat groups (who tend to be pretty insular anyway)!

Chase

@Chase

Thank you for the insightful response. I appreciate you taking the time to break down that video and share your perspective on Asian guys potentially having good game.

Now I have one additional, potentially awkward question for you - as a Chinese man, do you think I should consider getting cosmetic surgeries on my nose and jawline/chin to look more attractive and masculine (in order) to be more acceptable to the high standards of white girls in America? My nose is currently wide and flat and looks ugly, and my jawline is on the weaker side. Well, I like white girls, but from what I've seen, white girls in the US seem to have some of the highest standards for male facial aesthetics in the world. Would consulting some surgeons and making my features more chiseled and defined be valuable to help increase my dating prospects with white women in my case?
I'm interested in your honest opinion on this. Thank you again for taking the time to respond and share your thoughts. I appreciate your perspective.

 

[AspiringStoic]

@Chase

Thank you for the insightful response. I appreciate you taking the time to break down that video and share your perspective on Asian guys potentially having good game.

Now I have one additional, potentially awkward question for you - as a Chinese man, do you think I should consider getting cosmetic surgeries on my nose and jawline/chin to look more attractive and masculine (in order) to be more acceptable to the high standards of white girls in America? My nose is currently wide and flat and looks ugly, and my jawline is on the weaker side. Well, I like white girls, but from what I've seen, white girls in the US seem to have some of the highest standards for male facial aesthetics in the world. Would consulting some surgeons and making my features more chiseled and defined be valuable to help increase my dating prospects with white women in my case?
I'm interested in your honest opinion on this. Thank you again for taking the time to respond and share your thoughts. I appreciate your perspective.

Your insecurities about your looks will kill your chances of attraction with girls, more than your looks ever will.

I think you have consumed too much of looks maxing/blackpill content or whatever its called. Like everyone on the thread has said focus on GAME. You will be more than fine.

Unless you have some serious disfigurement, surgery is not something anyone here would recommend I am guessing. And its a dangerous route to go down, it validates and worsens your insecurities instead of overcoming them.

 

[AbWongX]

Your insecurities about your looks will kill your chances of attraction with girls, more than your looks ever will.

I think you have consumed too much of looks maxing/blackpill content or whatever its called. Like everyone on the thread has said focus on GAME. You will be more than fine.

Unless you have some serious disfigurement, surgery is not something anyone here would recommend I am guessing. And its a dangerous route to go down, it validates and worsens your insecurities instead of overcoming them.

@Chase @AspiringStoic

Well, I get it, confidence and game are important, but let's be real for a second. I'm not talking about a "serious disfigurement," but my wide, flat nose and weak jawline aren't exactly earning me brownie points either. It's not just about confidence; it's about the harsh reality of how superficial white women can be, especially when it comes to dating.
I've noticed guys who get the most attention from white girls are white and often have those chiseled facial features and aesthetic jawlines. No offense to you @Chase, but you are a 6 ft tall white man and probably considered above average in looks to most young white women. It's not a coincidence! It feels like no matter how much game a facially average or below average non-white man has, he is still facing a MASSIVE uphill battle with white women because of how he looks.
I know cosmetic surgery is a big step, but if changing my nose and jawline can give me even an edge in any modern competitive dating market, shouldn't I at least consider it? I don't like being judged for something I can't control. It's easy to say 'focus on game,' but when repeated failures with certain types of women can be attributed to one man's physical appearance, it raises questions about the overall effectiveness of game in such scenarios.
So yeah, maybe I have just watched too many lookism / looks-maxing videos, but they seem to make some valid points about how shallow white women can be and how critical first impressions are. I just want to know if investing in my appearance will potentially make a huge difference.