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FR++  A breakdown of my last 5 pulls and getting rejected each and every time

jdoc

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Hey dudes,

About 5 weeks ago I moved out of home to live with my best friend. I now live about 10 minutes from the city centre in an excellent location. My logistics transformed from god-awful to pretty damn good. I'm really happy about that. Since moving out, I've been on 5 dates. I met 2 of those girls from my job (street fundraising), 2 from Tinder, and 1 from day game. In 4 of those instances, I managed to pull... yet NONE of the girls allowed me to even kiss them. Being rejected by 5 different girls in a row has made me start to question my game, and made me wonder whether I'm doing something very wrong. Or maybe it's just the girls I'd been on dates with, and I'd just been damn unlucky. It's weird because with the 4 dates prior to those 5 girls I went out with, I managed to get laid 3 times - each with different girls.

On each of the past 5 dates I had a very similar template, meet, deep dive, light conversations, chase frames, sexual vibe, physical touch, pull, kiss. I feel like my fundamentals are at a pretty strong level as well. In each time I managed to pull very smoothly.

Girl 1: I met this gorgeous 18 year old Filipina on the job. Got her number and asked her out for juice. On the date out of nowhere she asked me whether I was Christian. She then proceeded to tell me how she went on a Christian camp a few weeks ago and how it transformed her and taught her to love God. After pulling her, and some physical touching, she seemed kinda nervous. I interrupted her mid-conversation before the kiss. "Wait. I gotta kiss you first". She rejected me and explained that she was just really Christian.

Girl 2: I met up with a 19 year old Korean girl on Tinder. She'd told me explicitly that she hadn't been on a date in ages and was excited. She was from South Korea and obviously really conservative. She was really awkward and she even told me at some points "sorry for being so awkward." After pulling she seemed nervous. "Wait. I gotta kiss you first," I said before I leaned to kiss her. It was received with "no, sorry I hardly even know you. I just met you today." She explained to me that she was only comfortable with kissing after knowing a guy for a long time... apparently something to do with Korean culture.

Girl 3: I met up with a 20 year old Australian girl on Tinder. She was cute but not very socially intelligent. Her personality was a bit boring and her arms seemed to stay crossed a lot of the time and didn't seem to contribute much to the conversation, and she scanned her phone a lot. She looked me in the eyes about 10% of the time. She also revealed that she'd only been on 3 dates in her whole entire life. She told me that the first 2 were awful, and the third was okay, which is why she agreed to go out with me. "Wait. I gotta kiss you first" was line yet again. It was received with, "sorry... my lips are really dry." I teased her about it, and she said that she was considering cancelling the date beforehand because of the fact that her lips were dry. I think the idea moving that fast made her a bit nervous.

Girl 4: I met an 18 year old Australian born girl with conservative Chinese parents on the job. I got her number and asked her out. On the date she revealed to me that she was pretty introverted, and didn't ever participate in university events and clubs. Whenever we were talking, her eyes would scan around everywhere and she always seemed distracted. She had a pretty dull personality and just rambled on and on. There was not one point in the conversation where she actively asked me any questions. After pulling I gave her a guitar lesson which allowed me to touch her fingers and hands and physically escalate. "Wait. I gotta kiss you first" was my line yet again. "No... sorry. I'm really introverted." She later revealed to me that she'd never kissed a guy in her life. She later blocked me on Facebook.

Girl 5: I opened a gorgeous 23 year old Japanese girl who'd just arrived in Melbourne. I opened her directly on the street and asked her out. We met up for drinks and the vibe was good and on. I thought for sure I was going to lay her. She seemed pretty into me and I laid down some chase frames. She agreed that I was handsome and that I was really talented and had good style. The pull was smooth as butter and I gave her a guitar lesson, paired with a lot of physical escalation. "Wait. I gotta kiss you first" was my line yet again. It was received by a very firm "no!". I brushed it off and later learned that she had a boyfriend.

What I've noticed with these girls is that they were all quite young and inexperienced. I'm guessing most of them were virgins and had very limited sexual experience. What I figured was that I was just very unlucky with these past 5 dates by going out with very inexperienced and prudish girls, not much to the fault of mine. I think I gotta stick to the same process and start meeting more experienced and sexually liberated girls. Curious to see what you guys think. Have the last couple of dates been unsuccessful from my own doing? Or have I just been unlucky at picking the right girls?

Take it easy fellas.

Jeff
 

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Re: FR++: A breakdown of my last 5 pulls and getting rejected each and every tim

I'm going to say "wait I gotta kiss you first" isn't working for you. You aren't building the anticipation for a kiss.

Focus on kino to the point that a kiss becomes the natural progression.
 
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Seppuku

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Re: FR++: A breakdown of my last 5 pulls and getting rejected each and every tim

Hey jdoc,

Some comments.

  • 1. All the filipinas I've dated asked me if I was Christian. All of them were going regularly to the church. And fucked me nevertheless.

    2. Girls 1 and 2 were obviously nervous. Girl 3 kept a closed body language and likely nervous too. It is counterproductive to attempt the kiss if they're not fully comfortable. You must spend more time building more comfort - both emotional and physical - before escalating up.

    3. Part of the reason could be their inexperience as you noted. But you also want to ask yourself if there is something in your vibe that is communicating nervousness to them. Any anxiety? Or do you come across as high energy? In any case, uber cool is key.

    4. Not sure it helps to verbalize the kiss "Wait. I gotta kiss you first". It seemed to trigger a negative reaction with girls 3 to 5. Don't say it. Just do it. Even better, tease her. Approach your lips from hers, then smile and wait a couple of seconds... If she doesn't go for the kiss, you kiss her neck... or just withdraw... then try again one minute later. But I don't usually do that before she's fully comfortable in my arms.

    5. If a girl is checking her phone on a date with me, I wait she's finished, then I tell her very calmly, either you spend time with me, or either you spend time with your phone. Then I take her phone and put it away.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Seppuku
 
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