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A Cool Way To Acknowledge Someone Non-Verbally

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Picture this: a guy in a tophat walks by you and nods down then up at you. It's very polite and respectful, but not cool.

Now picture this: I walk by you, and toss my head up and then down at you. A reverse nod. Respectful? No....not really. Cool? Yeah, it's got a certain rebellious vibe to it.
 
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A bit of a hit and miss article, imo. I did find an interesting thing or two.

I've seen body language "experts" at work, and they seem like straight up quacks.
 

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Cacc said:
A bit of a hit and miss article, imo. I did find an interesting thing or two.

What parts of it were hit for you, and which were miss? I'm curious to hear.

Cacc said:
I've seen body language "experts" at work, and they seem like straight up quacks.

Why is that?

SIDE NOTE: Check out the starter's position at the bottom. I use it quite a lot
 

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We as humans are not robots. The same gesture coming from me might mean a completely different thing if it came from you. As such, you can't reliably use these templates to figure out what a person is feeling. There needs to be a background involved.

My issue with many self proclaimed body language experts is they are too liberal at saying what something means. Let's be real, understanding body language is helpful, but it will not tell you the whole story and oftentimes can lie to you. Haven't you heard Chase talk about how some girls he'd meet at the bar who looked like they just weren't interested at all? Yet he would ask them home and they'd accept and he'd sleep with them? If all he won't off was body language he would have walked away thinking she wasn't interested.

So yeah. Body language can be helpful but it cannot be used reliably as a real metric for what someone is thinking and can often times be misleading. Also, understand that sociopaths and men and women like us who learn certain beneficial body language will use them for different reasons, thus, skewing the templates even more.

Just to finish this off with something I found funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dtJeCZW3CE&t=62s

Not saying every body language "expert" is like this, but when you've got people like that spreading so much misinformation, it's hard to take the whole Body Language Movement seriously. Like come on, Anxiety? That's probably one of the most devil may care individuals I've ever seen.

P.S: To your original post. I nod downwards for people I respect, authority figures, elders, and sometimes women. I nod upwards for everyone else.
 

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Cacc said:
We as humans are not robots. The same gesture coming from me might mean a completely different thing if it came from you. As such, you can't reliably use these templates to figure out what a person is feeling. There needs to be a background involved.

Let's be real, understanding body language is helpful, but it will not tell you the whole story and oftentimes can lie to you. Haven't you heard Chase talk about how some girls he'd meet at the bar who looked like they just weren't interested at all? Yet he would ask them home and they'd accept and he'd sleep with them? If all he won't off was body language he would have walked away thinking she wasn't interested.

Background as in what, context?

I do agree with what you're saying, that body language can oftentimes be unreliable. Anybody can emulate certain body language techniques, thus skewing the meaning behind it. Definitely don't make conclusions based on one expression of someone's body.

However....have you heard of microexpressions? They are INVOLUNTARY facial expressions that happen very quickly. Since they are involuntary, if you learn to read them, you can get a reliable indication of how that person is truly feeling.

As well, finding out how someone is feeling is better accomplished by observing multiple expressions of their body language. People who are learning how to control their body language are trying to "fake it till they make it." The problem is that their inner state will betray them and involuntarily cause their body to express itself in an incongruent way. For example, I could see a guy who is portraying himself as comfy and relaxed with his environment - taking up lots of space and sprawled out. But one look at his eyes will betray him. Unconfident, submissive people will have this wet look in their eyes. You can't change that unless you're actually truly not unconfident.

It's ridiculously easy for high level people to spot when someone is faking their body language, based on experience.
 

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Background as in what, context?

As in you need to spend some time with that person and get a feel for their ticks and naunces.

However....have you heard of microexpressions? They are INVOLUNTARY facial expressions that happen very quickly. Since they are involuntary, if you learn to read them, you can get a reliable indication of how that person is truly feeling.

Well sure. That's part of the reason of how you can tell people's emotions. But you can't use that against high level people, like you said. For example, When I haven't socialized in awhile my facial expression is going to be stiff and my voice will not sound confident. But when I get used to it my facial expression relaxes and warms up and my voice resonates and I no longer change facial expressions unless I deliberately want to show a certain emotion like skepticism, anger, arousal, warmth, etc. It's all a matter of not being affected by emotions and men who are good with girls do this very well.

As well, finding out how someone is feeling is better accomplished by observing multiple expressions of their body language. People who are learning how to control their body language are trying to "fake it till they make it." The problem is that their inner state will betray them and involuntarily cause their body to express itself in an incongruent way. For example, I could see a guy who is portraying himself as comfy and relaxed with his environment - taking up lots of space and sprawled out. But one look at his eyes will betray him. Unconfident, submissive people will have this wet look in their eyes. You can't change that unless you're actually truly not unconfident.

Yeah, for sure. Me personally, I've worked on myself long enough that my fundamentals stay stable regardless of situation with the exception of my voice. My voice is pretty good at indicating if I'm feeling comfortable or not, then again it's my least worked on fundamental which I'm planning on rigorously training it soon.

That's why I said there are other things involved. Seems to be a combination of your body language, voice tone, facial expressions, eye contact, and the person's actions. Another thing I haven't seen you mention is mirror neurons. If someone's portraying themselves a certain way but it's not the vibe you're getting from them, something's up.

My question is, why study something like this? I've always gone through life being pretty good at spotting people's true intentions and I just figured everyone else was the same way unless they had Autism. Is this not the case?

So whether you study it or not, you'll still get the same vibe from a person regardless, is my point.

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