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HeartOfChaos

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This is my first field report in a decade. I am still mentally and emotionally reeling from my ex to the point of developing insomnia.

Over last 2 weeks, I’ve been on 5 dates from 5 different women, but fucked 0. I met all of them from daygame approach.

Caveat 1: For last 7 years, since 2018, my logistics have been fucked. I live in a shithole quiet suburban area in London but far away from centre. It is not likely to change soon. I can't invite women here so need to resort to trying to weasel my way to their place or hotel.

Caveat 2: I have direct national, ethnic and background connections to certain countries that tend to arose negative reactions from a very substantial demographic. This means apriori a large, large amount of women I meet, I simply won’t be compatible with them long term, and short term they wouldn’t want to be with me, either just by pure association. It’s a big problem because this means my potential dating pool is heavily reduced in UK.

Caveat 3: I have a chronic computer vision eye problem that makes my under eye bag area ugly pink and puffy. It turns me from handsome to ugly tired looking and really affects my confidence.

Caveat 4: there is another factor in my situation I'd rather not talk about that also reduces the pool of women I could potentially approach.

So, the dates:

Girl 1: 29 year old American girl that I wrote about in my journal already. Got her number in 2 mins. I think I screwed that one up myself. Did not escalate fast enough on the date and missed the opportunity. That one is on me.

Girl 2: 40 year old, direct authoritative business woman. Met her while on vacation in Spain recently. She was just a timewaster who used me for validation. She got dumped literally 2 days before meeting me. I went for dinner instadate with her after meeting her on the beach. Forced a makeout but she shut down any further advancement. Timewaster.

Girl 3: 30 year old, back in London. Again, got her number in 2 mins. She was cool and actually I would have wanted to see her again. But from the get go, I knew because of her background it won’t go anywhere long term. I initially during our whatsapp messages, tried to pitch the idea of a “date” at her place, but she declined making it clear she wasn’t intending to fuck on the first date, but was happy to meet outside. So I met her in a bar.

On the date, our conversation descended into discussing political issues once she realised where I am from (I have no intention to hide it as I am hoping for something long term, and conversation turning political is basically inevitable once they know my background), and we realised there is a huge gap in our beliefs. I got some makeouts, with her but she said it will not go any further romantically in future because of our differences. It’s cool, but disappointing.



Girl 4: 30 year old, Turkish business woman on a weekend holiday in London. I see her walking at 10pm in Soho smoking a cigarette. I say “Hey, you look great…Would you like to come for a drink with me?” She agrees. We go to a nearby bar, get a drink, chat and I start making out with her after like 20 mins or so… Soon later I say to her “Let’s go back to your hotel and continue the night there”, She declines, saying “thank you for the night but I will walk to my hotel on my own…”. I try to persist, but it goes nowhere and I leave her.



Damn logistics. If I had a normal place near the centre or at least a car, I’d try to pull her there…But instead I am forced to rely on brute force method of trying to invite myself to their place. But who knows, could have also been a timewaster who only used me for some makeout validation, you know how women are…

Girl 5: 25 year old. Again, super fast direct day approach, I literally said to her “Hi, you have an amazing sense of style…You know why I am talking to you, so I’ll cut to the chase: I want to meet you for a drink”. She says ok, we chatted for 2 more mins and took her number.

Most of my approaches are like this by the way…Very fast, direct, I shoot for a date / idea of intimate get together very quickly to see how they react…


I again casually floated the idea of going back to her place during text messages; she said something like “let’s see what happens, I will prob need to go back to the library” (She said earlier she is studying and has a project deadline and is in the libraries till midnight).

So I met her last night at a bar near her library. This time I moved fast, went for a makeout in like 20 mins. The conversation was ok, quite nice but not the most fluent ever. I had another makeout with her a little later and talked more.


Around 45 mins into the date, once our wine glasses were empty, she says, “so, what are you doing later…?” I reply, “well, I am thinking let’s get a bottle of wine and head back to yours?”, to which she declines, saying that she really needs to continue with her project.

So we gather our belongings and I walk her back to the library that’s 2 mins away. I try another makeout , but she says something like “I need more time to get intimate with people”. We say goodbye and call it a night.


So here I am. Hundreds of approaches, 5 dates in quick succession, no fucking. Screwed up logistics. And none of these women, I instinctively feel come even close to matching the emotional and physical chemistry I had with my ex, let alone all the national and background issues. It’s all very sad and I am sick of this.
 
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KnownUniverse

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100 approaches in 2 weeks is a strong effort! I can only do 1-3 proper approaches a day during daytime even if i spend hours walking around (by proper I mean anything that isnt an instant blow out or im too scared to close). I mostly do night game because that's where i feel most confident doing it. I can do 5-10 approaches a night on the weekends.

I've had some success from night game this year. One night stands. could be worth trying if you want hook ups. Don't know if its best environment for marriage material.
 

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first of all congratulations for getting 5 dates thats more than most men get in a year - so don't put too much pressure on yourself. Ignore looks aside these women wouldn't have agreed to meet you in the first place if they didnt find you attractive so i dont understand the need to be self conscious about that.

Perhaps you're making everything too direct on the date and coming off uncalibrated. - your approach is already really quick and direct with little time for rapport. If you add that to a date which youre pushing for sex quick it can come across that you're only wanting one thing very quickly from the women and they will clock this quick and give you lmr.

You gotta give time for rapport building , it seems like you are going through the motions to get sex as quick as possible which was an issue i faced in the beginning that got me a lot of lmr. Had i spread out the interactions over 2-3 more dates and been a bit more patient i would've gotten more lays and less lmr.
 

HeartOfChaos

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first of all congratulations for getting 5 dates thats more than most men get in a year

Oh man, that's nothing!# Nothing to congratulate me about. if I fucked 5 of them, maybe worth congratulating.

Back in 2013 after last time I was getting dumped, I was going on 3-4 dates a week for months at a time. None of this is new to me.

Yes, I am going through the same motions as I've been for years and I AM SICK OF IT. I ALREADY GOT SICK OF APPROACHING MANY YEARS AGO. All I wanted was to find one girl who matches me to be with me, and I am still no closer, years later.

It's all a waste of time because 95% of these women aren't compatible with me long term, so sex is the only thing they can offer realistically.

I don't want just sex, I want love, companionship, and a family one day. From this viewpoint, I am a failure after 15 years of daygame. Certainly, location (UK) plays a role, since people with my nationality and background are in quite a small minority here.
 

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Ignore looks aside these women wouldn't have agreed to meet you in the first place if they didnt find you attractive so i dont understand the need to be self conscious about that.
The issue is that my looks change very quickly. I got most of these girls straight after vacation, which underlines how important it is for me to stay away from computers and also live in a hot country with a different climate (UK climate also affects my health).
 

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I never said anything about a hundred in 2 weeks... It was hundreds overall since break up...

I had some luck with social circle. Went on a date with a very compatible 29 year old I met at a social meetup. Definitely would've been gf material but i didnt pursue because i dont feel i can manage a relationship right now. Casual flings is all i can do. I can barely commit to tinder dates.
 

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Over last 2 weeks, I’ve been on 5 dates from 5 different women
If this is true, thats great. Most people dont get 5 in 2 weeks like someone else mentioned earlier. Most dont get that in a year even or years if we are talking about the average frustrated guys out there.
It’s all very sad and I am sick of this.
But this I dont understand. There are multiple posters here who are writing posts whining and moaning about how things are so hard. Going around for pages arguing about how their age or looks or whatever the fuck else is preventing them from getting success.


What is this?

A therapy board?

A pity party?

What do you want us to say?

Do you want us to say yeah bro you are fucked, you are too old, your nationality is a barrier, your looks or whatever else makes it IMPOSSIBLE for you to find success!

Will you stop this moaning and bitching on these forums if we say that??

Just for god's sake tell us what you guys who are on here moaning and whining everyday want.

So that we can give it to you.

And then you can give up or go moan somewhere else.

I hate even opening the new posts sections these days. Its full of grown ass men bitching and moaning and talking gloom and doom.

There are 99 bullshit posts to 1 good post on the forum nowadays.

@Chase

I think you should open a separate forum for all these guys. That forum will be more popular and they can all moan and complain and vent together. And maybe you can sell some programs agreeing with all their negative beliefs. I am sure that would be way more profitable than all the work you put in to teaching guys this stuff and convincing them here that they can be successful with women.
 
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HeartOfChaos

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If this is true, thats great. Most people dont get 5 in 2 weeks like someone else mentioned earlier. Most dont get that in a year even or years if we are talking about the average frustrated guys out there.

Actually, it's 6 dates and 1 fuck now, as I just fucked one woman from Feeld dating app, but that doesn't count.

And yes, it's true, why would I lie? I got nothing to prove. Nothing special for me about 5 in 2 weeks. I had many more frequent dates and lays in the past. And I am objectively well above average in many respects, including the number of women I fucked.
But this I dont understand. There are multiple posters here who are writing posts whining and moaning about how things are so hard. Going around for pages arguing about how their age or looks or whatever the fuck else is preventing them from getting success.


I am not moaning. Just venting really, I am not asking for sympathy or anything. It's just frustrating approaching women for years and still not getting what I really want / need.
 

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am not moaning. Just venting really, I am not asking for sympathy or anything. It's just frustrating approaching women for years and still not getting what I really want / need
Then stop approaching. Give up. Go do something else. Do whatever else but just spare us the misery.

Why the hell do you need to vent here and spread your misery to everyone else??

Go join PUA Hate or some other forum that is meant for venting. I am sure there are plenty.
 

HeartOfChaos

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just spare us the misery
Not asking you to read or respond.

I actually was interested in getting some opinions from posters here on Girls 4 and 5. Girl 4 in particular. Initially wanted to just write about her only in more detail.
 

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This is my first field report in a decade. I am still mentally and emotionally reeling from my ex to the point of developing insomnia.

Over last 2 weeks, I’ve been on 5 dates from 5 different women, but fucked 0. I met all of them from daygame approach.

Caveat 1: For last 7 years, since 2018, my logistics have been fucked. I live in a shithole quiet suburban area in London but far away from centre. It is not likely to change soon. I can't invite women here so need to resort to trying to weasel my way to their place or hotel.

Caveat 2: I have direct national, ethnic and background connections to certain countries that tend to arose negative reactions from a very substantial demographic. This means apriori a large, large amount of women I meet, I simply won’t be compatible with them long term, and short term they wouldn’t want to be with me, either just by pure association. It’s a big problem because this means my potential dating pool is heavily reduced in UK.

Caveat 3: I have a chronic computer vision eye problem that makes my under eye bag area ugly pink and puffy. It turns me from handsome to ugly tired looking and really affects my confidence.

Caveat 4: there is another factor in my situation I'd rather not talk about that also reduces the pool of women I could potentially approach.

So, the dates:

Girl 1: 29 year old American girl that I wrote about in my journal already. Got her number in 2 mins. I think I screwed that one up myself. Did not escalate fast enough on the date and missed the opportunity. That one is on me.

Girl 2: 40 year old, direct authoritative business woman. Met her while on vacation in Spain recently. She was just a timewaster who used me for validation. She got dumped literally 2 days before meeting me. I went for dinner instadate with her after meeting her on the beach. Forced a makeout but she shut down any further advancement. Timewaster.

Girl 3: 30 year old, back in London. Again, got her number in 2 mins. She was cool and actually I would have wanted to see her again. But from the get go, I knew because of her background it won’t go anywhere long term. I initially during our whatsapp messages, tried to pitch the idea of a “date” at her place, but she declined making it clear she wasn’t intending to fuck on the first date, but was happy to meet outside. So I met her in a bar.

On the date, our conversation descended into discussing political issues once she realised where I am from (I have no intention to hide it as I am hoping for something long term, and conversation turning political is basically inevitable once they know my background), and we realised there is a huge gap in our beliefs. I got some makeouts, with her but she said it will not go any further romantically in future because of our differences. It’s cool, but disappointing.



Girl 4: 30 year old, Turkish business woman on a weekend holiday in London. I see her walking at 10pm in Soho smoking a cigarette. I say “Hey, you look great…Would you like to come for a drink with me?” She agrees. We go to a nearby bar, get a drink, chat and I start making out with her after like 20 mins or so… Soon later I say to her “Let’s go back to your hotel and continue the night there”, She declines, saying “thank you for the night but I will walk to my hotel on my own…”. I try to persist, but it goes nowhere and I leave her.



Damn logistics. If I had a normal place near the centre or at least a car, I’d try to pull her there…But instead I am forced to rely on brute force method of trying to invite myself to their place. But who knows, could have also been a timewaster who only used me for some makeout validation, you know how women are…

Girl 5: 25 year old. Again, super fast direct day approach, I literally said to her “Hi, you have an amazing sense of style…You know why I am talking to you, so I’ll cut to the chase: I want to meet you for a drink”. She says ok, we chatted for 2 more mins and took her number.

Most of my approaches are like this by the way…Very fast, direct, I shoot for a date / idea of intimate get together very quickly to see how they react…


I again casually floated the idea of going back to her place during text messages; she said something like “let’s see what happens, I will prob need to go back to the library” (She said earlier she is studying and has a project deadline and is in the libraries till midnight).

So I met her last night at a bar near her library. This time I moved fast, went for a makeout in like 20 mins. The conversation was ok, quite nice but not the most fluent ever. I had another makeout with her a little later and talked more.


Around 45 mins into the date, once our wine glasses were empty, she says, “so, what are you doing later…?” I reply, “well, I am thinking let’s get a bottle of wine and head back to yours?”, to which she declines, saying that she really needs to continue with her project.

So we gather our belongings and I walk her back to the library that’s 2 mins away. I try another makeout , but she says something like “I need more time to get intimate with people”. We say goodbye and call it a night.


So here I am. Hundreds of approaches, 5 dates in quick succession, no fucking. Screwed up logistics. And none of these women, I instinctively feel come even close to matching the emotional and physical chemistry I had with my ex, let alone all the national and background issues. It’s all very sad and I am sick of this.
you got 5 dates from day game that is awesome.... for the under eye, you can use make up, and try to lose body fat and also there are some cream that will lower them for couple of hours (plus make up, coinciler or whatever is call, go to a make up place to look for one that matches your skin tone or go with your female friend)....

Logistics are important prior to date you need to seed the pull, and if the pull to the house no there a plan b.... (many post and alternatives to bad logistics)...

some post on dating and logistics:



 

HeartOfChaos

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you got 5 dates from day game that is awesome

Nothing special man, had all this before multiple times, and much better... A date isn't a result, women come to dates half the time without any intention to fuck as you know. Granted, I screwed up a few of them, but others they weren't really dtf.

Actually I remembered 6 dates, I had another one a few weeks back... Also nothing, forced a makeout though. It was clear she wasnt df as she initially wanted to meet in daytime, and then during the date said "oh my mum is in town, I am meeting her in an hour"...Then I messaged her but turns out she blocked me.

She also used me for validation. And I screened myself out of a couple more potential dates but testing the waters how dtf they are via messages...Any hint of strong direct sexual connotations and those disappeared.

So 6 dates, 6 different girls, no fucking. Half of them weren't dtf basically, nothing to congratulate me about dude

Girl 5 shook my hand at the end of date and sorta said "I prefer to find out more before getting physical", which is strange given that I madeout with her 20 mins earlier... We are still texting now but she takes ages to reply, her interest is way down.

for the under eye, you can use make up, and try to lose body fat and also there are some cream that will lower them for couple of hours

My body fat is low ( many years of ashtanga yoga and other workout exercise, although I've got a little bit out of shape in the last year). I already use makeup. Haven't heard of the cream that lowers it, will check, thanks!
 

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Oh man, that's nothing!# Nothing to congratulate me about. if I fucked 5 of them, maybe worth congratulating.

Back in 2013 after last time I was getting dumped, I was going on 3-4 dates a week for months at a time. None of this is new to me.

Yes, I am going through the same motions as I've been for years and I AM SICK OF IT. I ALREADY GOT SICK OF APPROACHING MANY YEARS AGO. All I wanted was to find one girl who matches me to be with me, and I am still no closer, years later.
If you went on that many dates for months at a time and still never found a women you felt compatible with…. The problem isn’t them; the problem is you.

What, exactly, do you want from a woman?

what is this “unicorn” lady like to you?
 

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If you went on that many dates for months at a time and still never found a women you felt compatible with…. The problem isn’t them; the problem is you.

What, exactly, do you want from a woman?

what is this “unicorn” lady like to you?

Maybe not for that many months at a time, but certainly for like a 3-4 months period

I did find several women compatible with me in my daygame career spanning 15 years. Some of them were pretty damn great, but none of them would have been my first, deep down choice due to the following main reasons:

1) Inappropriate nationality / religion / background
2) Wrong age gap (women older than me)

Another fundamental problem was that I always struggle to attract women in the "highly desirable" age bracket, i.e. women in their early to mid twenties (or even late twenties, also a struggle). I did fuck some of them, but not many, and our personalities didn't work that well together.

Back then, in 2013, it took me nearly a year and a half after intense amount of approaches and dates to find an amazing woman for LTR...Who was 7 years older than me. It's not what I really wanted, no matter how attractive and fun and nice she was.

So back then, at age of 27, the bulk of women I attracted from daygame were in their late twenties to mid 30s. I fucked some girls in their early twenties too, but wasn't too compatible with them. Now, 10 years later, nothing changed, in fact my results are worse and it's even harder, as I am 10 years older but I only want to settle with a girl who is , say, 8-15 years younger.

So these 5 or 6 dates are meaningless when it takes me like 400 hundred approaches to get them and I still don't end up fucking.
 

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Maybe not for that many months at a time, but certainly for like a 3-4 months period

I did find several women compatible with me in my daygame career spanning 15 years. Some of them were pretty damn great, but none of them would have been my first, deep down choice due to the following main reasons:

1) Inappropriate nationality / religion / background
2) Wrong age gap (women older than me)

Another fundamental problem was that I always struggle to attract women in the "highly desirable" age bracket, i.e. women in their early to mid twenties (or even late twenties, also a struggle). I did fuck some of them, but not many, and our personalities didn't work that well together.

Back then, in 2013, it took me nearly a year and a half after intense amount of approaches and dates to find an amazing woman for LTR...Who was 7 years older than me. It's not what I really wanted, no matter how attractive and fun and nice she was.

So back then, at age of 27, the bulk of women I attracted from daygame were in their late twenties to mid 30s. I fucked some girls in their early twenties too, but wasn't too compatible with them. Now, 10 years later, nothing changed, in fact my results are worse and it's even harder, as I am 10 years older but I only want to settle with a girl who is , say, 8-15 years younger.

So these 5 or 6 dates are meaningless when it takes me like 400 hundred approaches to get them and I still don't end up fucking.

Keep chopping wood, optimizing, and try to bed them..... get some momentum, also study the demo you are targeting, their likes, the places they go to, the guys they go for...

I posted a how to date guide, make sure to compare your dates with the stuff i say in the guide to find out what you did or did not do vs what i posted.... You are also post break up, so you will have a deep for a while till it clicks... focus on the present forget about yesterday and tomorrow, put your best effort forward...

 

HeartOfChaos

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Keep chopping wood, optimizing, and try to bed them..... get some momentum, also study the demo you are targeting, their likes, the places they go to, the guys they go for...

Thanks man. Yeah optimizing and keeping at it is the only thing I can do really. Will def study the demographic more for sure, that's very helpful.

Funnily enough, I spoke (just casually) to a few chicks in their early twenties, this generation seems to be pretty chill and laid back in general...
 

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I've done around 50 more approaches in the last week. Got absolutely nothing. Ok, got some numbers but they mean nothing, and they all flaked anyway. I thought one number was solid as she was super into me when I approached her, but she never replied - perhaps because I was a bit too sexual non verbally and she got asd, who knows. All the other numbers - I suspected they would flake, and they did.

So this makes it like 400, maybe 500 cold daygame approaches since break up - and nothing, which is what I was typically getting in London in the last several years before my LTR, when I would spend hundreds of hours hanging around and getting fuck all. A terrible, terrible waste of time and energy. For the record, this is London only - in other places I usually get much better results.

Hence these 5-6 dates in a short time period are more of an anomaly.

The reality for me is that most of the time, unless a woman gives me some strong IOI apriori before I talk / approach her, it's over before it even began: no amount of talking, interacting, flirting will make her want to go on a date , let alone fuck me. If she checks me out first - then it's game on.

Otherwise - they can laugh, flirt but I can immediately see they are sexually not interested from their non verbals. In such cases, most of the time I get good positive reactions on my approach no matter how I open - very direct or not...But it leads nowhere in the end, as 99.9% sooner or later give me the line "I have a boyfriend / not interested / flying to Venus tomorrow"

I essentially was never able to break through this barrier, ever.
 
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Thanks man. Yeah optimizing and keeping at it is the only thing I can do really. Will def study the demographic more for sure, that's very helpful.

Funnily enough, I spoke (just casually) to a few chicks in their early twenties, this generation seems to be pretty chill and laid back in general...
yes and they are super friendly vs previous gens...
 
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