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Why listen to me on this, well i was never good at dating, i would either do ons or long texting (second gen/grandmaster) setting up sexual encounters or i would replicate what happened in the club a second time by doing a club date (since I am the highest value guy in the dance floor made sense)..... But, some of the posters of nextasf (rip) may remember i went through a crisis.... tldr.- after my break up, wanted to quit being skills and a seducer, got mono and stop clubbing for a year (only break i ever took in my life) to try to become a normie.... Came out of it, and then when i got back to clubs, a nightmare, clubs were dead(worst than corona) and tinder took over.... Started crying and complaining, trying to look for answers.... A poster name pure evil aka logic and reasoning told me to try online dating for diversification... I had no idea what i was doing, read every book on online and it was a disaster... pm asking pob and pure evil, getting ideas, but nothing really was landing.... after couple of mess ups, accidentally due to my incompetence developed out of desperation (again accidentally) the 3 bounce... Started doing it and getting laid automatic... again tldr learned how to properly date on the mid 40s (after already hundreds of lays).... But this is not about the 3 bounce, it is about dating in general, cause people make stupid mistakes with so much info which makes no sence to me....Finally, i have taught a lot of this, gotten people actually laid, even non community guys(had a dude could not get laid on dates, go out and get laid every date he got till marriage, true story)... so if you are going to field test please do not freestyle, or mix with other gurus advices (i hate when people do this then blame me, "it did not work")...
why dates??? (dates for us is encounters no really dates)
- Only reason for dates, is in obviously online dating/apps you need to go on dates unless she is dtf green, but most yellows you will have to go on a date and a lot of greens will not want to come to your home straight (more on this later).
- Second reason is Day game.- Unless the girl is dtf and super green insta date is a waste of time, cause you will not be getting leads while on insta date and insta dates unless she is dtf, mostly a waste of time...My first day game lay, was an insta fuck, no insta date.
- third reason is night game.- Girl that for whatever reason you could not close and have to see her again, usually is logistical reasons, or you got cockblocked or ___________ you did not have the lay....
Lets start pre date women perspectives:
They have to wash hair, dry it, style it, put make up on, shave her legs and pussy and ass, remove and paint toe nails, put lotion all over, decide what they are going to wear, they have to cancel their daily routine (so going on a date is a huge investment for women), they also have to change their eating routine or schedule in most cases (is he going to want to do dinner??)...
Before the date, she will search all your social media, reverse research your pics, she will google you,check how much you make, if you have kids, where do you work, if you are divorce, check your criminal record, go into app sites dedicated for "cheaters" or to see if you are a fuck boy, or married or a player etc.... Every city/country has a different one, for example @Skjöldr is famous on his city even has some type of nickname, so he is totally paranoid every time he meets a girl from day game or online, and has lost multiple women directly or indirectly due to his popularity in some women cockblock sites. here is an example for ny: https://www.facebook.com/groups/340985311306448/
Then they have to hope that the dude:
- does not cancel or want to re schedule or flat out flakes
- most don't set a time or confirm "lets meet up later" it is all they say (they hate this), that is usually 9 or 10, no specific time (i am guilty of this tbh)
- the dude looks like the pictures (if online dating)
- The dude is not a creeper, stalker, psycho, killer.
^ most women depending on the women they have some type of level of ANXIETY and past TRAUMAS of numerous AWFUL DATES...
Lets cont. with women perspectives and psychology some of you that follow me have read this already:
Women will put a dude into 4 categories( i change my view to 4 instead of 3)
a nothing(not a friend, not an acquaintance, not a person she wants anything to do with, she just gave him the number for whatever reason)
a friend or emotional tampon( dead zone)
a lover or dude she wants to fuck(best zone to be in even if you want to her to be your gf always fuck them first then walk backwards to a relationship)
a boyfriend/or potential bf ( this may delay sex, or totally kill your chances and put you into friend zone when it comes to dating)
So again what is the problem with traditional dating as mom, your sister, your beta friends, your pastor, your female friends and Hollywood have taught you such as:
- movies
- dinner and movie
- miniature golf (thought @TomInHo has friend gets laid a lot of this, but most of you will fuck it up)
- trips
- opera
- theater
- comedy clubs
- anything you see in traditional dating shows "millionaire matchmaker, elimi date etc..." or movies
^ the problem with this type of dating style is that you run a risk of being put in the boyfriend possibility zone.... What is the problem of being in the zone of boyfriend possibility, well, if you are there 2 outcomes:
- she will go through the laundry of check list to see if you meet that checklist.
- she will compare you hard core with present and past boyfriends or prospects
- Now if you are an amazing dude and you get through comparisons and check lists, now She will delay the sex as be seen more as Girlfriend potential and sell purity, 3 date rule crap, plus it is a bad frame you are paying for dates so you are seen as a provider. Anyways the % of success doing the traditional dating in my opinion way lower than if you do what i suggest which i will call the lover dates:
- coffee, drink, tea or Boba or hookah or weed (if you into that)
- Netflix and chill
- gym date
- mall date
- home date any reason will do (could even be dinner)
- hiking or walking dog
-park
- if you have a bike, bike ride (poster @Alpha13SC does this)
- if you are high status in a scene take her to that scene, for example my dates were on dance floors replicating the experience of when i met them if i did not have the lay.(since i am the highest value dude on the dance floor)
- dancing (due to the sexual escalations even if you are not highest status like me on the dance floor)
Now this is for the tribal elders and advance players:
- sex shop
- swing club
- strip clubs (though meh)
- kink parties
- sex convention
- sex theater
- transvestite performance shows
This is for emergency mistakes.- There will be dates on which you get caught up in the "i am hungry frame by the girl" if this happens and you don't buy food you are working from a disadvantage and you will come across as cheap (even if she does not say anything same with splitting bills)... If this happens, uncle skills got you, here are the places you can take her to eat that are lover:
- Tacos should be number 1 on your list (no girl will say no to tacos, unless she is a vegetarian)
- Bistro (is like small appetizers)
- Pizza but not pizza hut or little Cesar, it should be specialized pizza such as fired roasted ovens and artesian pizzas (this type of pizza is light and gluten free) they girl will not feel bloated and heavy which will destroy sex.
- small juice stores such as Jamba juice etc...
- habit burger
^ the point has to be light, super cheap but you don't come across cheap, and no generic like MacDonald's. Do not ever let her pick out of the blue, you provide the choices and she can pick from YOUR CHOICES, one time i let girl picked and i ended up with $100 dollar bill check and did not get laid that night... (thankfully i fucked her after)
$cost.- a date should not cost you more than $20 since sometimes you are eating maybe $40 (both) if you past this guideline something is off... (this prices may be need to adjust eventually for inflation and countries)
^ now some guys go overly paranoid over this, you see guys splitting bills and being autistic going into "i want to come across as lover and no provider" and make tons of silly errors, you guys need to calibrate...Also when you get a girlfriend, or main is ok and i actually encourage you guys to go on real dates, i do so call provider types of dates once or twice a week on my dime with my current main...
Now I am not going to repeat myself too much here i will link you to teevester article about lover vs provider.- But the whole point of lover is just to have faster sex, and work backwards after sex if interested into a relationship, more efficient way, don't over complicate this.
Pre date set up.-
I am not going to cover texting, i think my texting is superior to get laid, but if you do your own stuff, IT is super important to use the words as soft close: LETS HAVE A QUICK MEET AND GREET TO SEE IF THE VIBE AND CHEMESTRY IS THERE, SOMETHING EASY AND LOW PRESSURE SUCH AS COFFEE OR A DRINK????
Now no matter if she suggest a drink (bar), no matter what you still want to meet at coffee place... If she says why? you see JUST TO MEET AND GREET WILL BOUNCE/OR GO FROM THERE SOMEWHERE ELSE... Most of my dates were at coffee places we never bought coffee or anything for that matter, and most coffee places were close lol.... (more on this later, but this is extremely important)
Pre date preparation.-
Before the date you must have.- a good style, good grooming, good hygiene (one time i had a black bean on my teeth i did not know about), dick pills (cialis or viagra or any sex shop over the counter will do), condoms, listerin breath strips or mint....
you should KNOW pre date where would you pull to have sex, either your house or her house, or motel you already have done research on, or the park, car etc... you need to know were the sex is going to happen before the date.... I seen guys that fuck this up... If you are going to a different territory or city you need to know the area pre date, all the possible places to take her for meal if she is hungry and of course to PULL. This include motel info and price, different parks and beaches to pull, if she has no family or roommates to pull to her apt.
Ideally women should live 20-45 minutes away, my rule is 20 minutes, 8 or above i don't mind 45 min.
The date.-
A good date time is times that do not Match food intake times to avoid getting stuck in the buying food situation... For example in USA 9 pm, though the "quick meet and greet coffee" frame should destroy this...
You want to attempt obviously for her to go to your place, if you have a feel she will come over or she will let you go over (i fucked multiple women in their place and my place with 0 dates), you will get a strong feel for this via texting.... "invite me over for ____" "lets watch this movie" "you should come over i will show you __________" "we should split a bottle of wine in my romantic balcony" credit pwf, you don't need to have a balcony, is to check compliance she does not have to like wine, you can ask for her favorite drink, after knowing, let me rephrase "you should come for pina colada in my romantic balcony"..... If the girl objects to come to home request, you can say "you can bring the pepper spray" credit jmlv, if she object to this, say " to many creepers have ruined it for cool guys like me, but i got you! lets have a quick meet and greet for coffee or a drink blah blah...." (you don't want to get into a negative compliance pushy loop of no coming over, retarded, so just address it once)
the 3 bounce.- concept is that you will go to 3 places of no more than 5 to max 10 min. walking distance between the 3 places, anything more than this is autism (some dudes i taught this walking for hours, Jesus Christ).... For me moving does some things, create compliance, motion creates emotion, relaxes her, kills anxiety, develop comfort... Again just by moving, second thing that this causes what mystery calls a reality distortion, she things she is known you for longer if you do the 3 bounce so is a short cut of 3 dates, get it?
The area has to have this requirement: 3 elements within walking distance of less than couple of minutes a coffee shop, a cool bar and a park or beach or isolated place. Usually downtown areas have this, or beach areas.(look at video at the end) make sure is close to your house for the pull no more than 15 minutes to max 20 to avoid buyers remorse during the drive.
bounce 1 is the meet place.- no matter what i recommend you do a coffee shop even if she is not into coffee or even if she agree for a drink.... Coffee shop is the most risk adverse social programing, safety place, anti slut defense, nothing to lose place there is... Here is just to meet, 0 game needed, just say hi, kiss on cheeck, your behavior should be unimpressed, neutral, poker face.... The time 0 to max 5 minutes. The most important part of the meet is the bounce, the escalation should be either a hand shake milking the intro. (i really did not do this on my dates, but can see it working), or a kiss on the cheeck... not a lot physical escalation here or even micro escalations, if you are heavy into escalation milking the intro is what i advice here. (though better keep it simple kiss on cheek is enough)
Bounce 2.- Should be a cool casual sexy modern bar, lounge, restaurant, or band playing, with cool people.... Here you need to flirt and micro escalate, the whole point here of flirting and micro escalating is to gauge were she is in the interaction, you will not do heavy teevester second gen stuff here, more of 60 yoc micro escalation, and general community style flirting advice or qualifications or deep diving( i am not into this) or whatever you use to seduce that you have field tested and given you results, me, i use micro escalations, cocky funny and grandmaster here.... Try not to use the second gen of teevester style to AROUSE, please don't do it here, the second gen you can use is to address objections and show secret society credentials. But no SEXUAL AROUSAL VERBALS HERE. time here should be minimum 10 max 30 minutes... Obviously if you got caught up in she was hungry, here it would be the light food, such as tacos.
Bounce 3.- Should be, beach, park, isolated part of mall/venue, or any type of isolation place that is not a closing location... Here you will go into the juicy sex talk, whatever routine you like from teevester.... I have my own mix of what he does, you can do one or combine your own that you have practice by yourself multiple times and it comes across congruent and natural when you deliver it... min 10 max 20 minutes
Troubleshooting.-
A date should be ideally minimum 45 minutes max hour and a half, anymore than this you are overkill and low odds.
on 3 dates.- If a girl has not close you into 2 dates, something is off... However i fucked girls 3 dates, but after 2 dates, i totally lose interest... The key of 3 dates is that the escalation to arousal has increase from date 1 to date 2....... If is not increasing her excitement, sexual arousal and compliance you are wasting your time, but if it is then is fine.... Or you can experiment with pure evil 3 dates if you are advance.
I will give you some of MY RESULTS so you get an idea:
- 70% from online will fuck you right away, another 30% need a second encounter. In this case i designed another ^ 3 bounce in different place, or same location different places. (every time i did a second 3 bounce i fucked 100% OF THAT 30%)
- Girls from clubs 95% will do you right away following 3 bounce (but remember my game on clubs very physical, and my texting good).
- Day game girls (dunno don't do much day game but from what i seen from student is 50/50) but most not really advance guys or freestyle too much, or autistics... so they may need another 3 bounce same place different location or a second 3 bounce....
I am going to address this.- A lot of guys advocate splitting bill, i seen top guys that are good at game and know how to date, losing girls due to this... first again is not a big investment 10 max 20, second even if you split and she seems happy (she knows you are cheap), this has nothing to do with lover provider (yes retarded).... And a lot of dudes lose lays cause of this, seen it too many times... I know some gurus advice for this, good for them, i want you to follow in this case exactly what i am telling you to do.
I will provide some sources and lay reports that are relevant to this discussion.... Please read them for context... I hate when i add links, and people don't take the time and read it, is like you are not getting the whole benefit....
How to know when the lay is not there
@Proper lay report on lay not there
for the 3 bounce routines that i use for sex talk or pick one from teevester you like here
this is a lay report from @Swati on splitting bill
a video i made on 3 bounce though i was trolling too much (and i don't hold hands, that is bs, i did it to fuck around)
why dates??? (dates for us is encounters no really dates)
- Only reason for dates, is in obviously online dating/apps you need to go on dates unless she is dtf green, but most yellows you will have to go on a date and a lot of greens will not want to come to your home straight (more on this later).
- Second reason is Day game.- Unless the girl is dtf and super green insta date is a waste of time, cause you will not be getting leads while on insta date and insta dates unless she is dtf, mostly a waste of time...My first day game lay, was an insta fuck, no insta date.
- third reason is night game.- Girl that for whatever reason you could not close and have to see her again, usually is logistical reasons, or you got cockblocked or ___________ you did not have the lay....
Lets start pre date women perspectives:
They have to wash hair, dry it, style it, put make up on, shave her legs and pussy and ass, remove and paint toe nails, put lotion all over, decide what they are going to wear, they have to cancel their daily routine (so going on a date is a huge investment for women), they also have to change their eating routine or schedule in most cases (is he going to want to do dinner??)...
Before the date, she will search all your social media, reverse research your pics, she will google you,check how much you make, if you have kids, where do you work, if you are divorce, check your criminal record, go into app sites dedicated for "cheaters" or to see if you are a fuck boy, or married or a player etc.... Every city/country has a different one, for example @Skjöldr is famous on his city even has some type of nickname, so he is totally paranoid every time he meets a girl from day game or online, and has lost multiple women directly or indirectly due to his popularity in some women cockblock sites. here is an example for ny: https://www.facebook.com/groups/340985311306448/
Then they have to hope that the dude:
- does not cancel or want to re schedule or flat out flakes
- most don't set a time or confirm "lets meet up later" it is all they say (they hate this), that is usually 9 or 10, no specific time (i am guilty of this tbh)
- the dude looks like the pictures (if online dating)
- The dude is not a creeper, stalker, psycho, killer.
^ most women depending on the women they have some type of level of ANXIETY and past TRAUMAS of numerous AWFUL DATES...
Lets cont. with women perspectives and psychology some of you that follow me have read this already:
Women will put a dude into 4 categories( i change my view to 4 instead of 3)
a nothing(not a friend, not an acquaintance, not a person she wants anything to do with, she just gave him the number for whatever reason)
a friend or emotional tampon( dead zone)
a lover or dude she wants to fuck(best zone to be in even if you want to her to be your gf always fuck them first then walk backwards to a relationship)
a boyfriend/or potential bf ( this may delay sex, or totally kill your chances and put you into friend zone when it comes to dating)
So again what is the problem with traditional dating as mom, your sister, your beta friends, your pastor, your female friends and Hollywood have taught you such as:
- movies
- dinner and movie
- miniature golf (thought @TomInHo has friend gets laid a lot of this, but most of you will fuck it up)
- trips
- opera
- theater
- comedy clubs
- anything you see in traditional dating shows "millionaire matchmaker, elimi date etc..." or movies
^ the problem with this type of dating style is that you run a risk of being put in the boyfriend possibility zone.... What is the problem of being in the zone of boyfriend possibility, well, if you are there 2 outcomes:
- she will go through the laundry of check list to see if you meet that checklist.
- she will compare you hard core with present and past boyfriends or prospects
- Now if you are an amazing dude and you get through comparisons and check lists, now She will delay the sex as be seen more as Girlfriend potential and sell purity, 3 date rule crap, plus it is a bad frame you are paying for dates so you are seen as a provider. Anyways the % of success doing the traditional dating in my opinion way lower than if you do what i suggest which i will call the lover dates:
- coffee, drink, tea or Boba or hookah or weed (if you into that)
- Netflix and chill
- gym date
- mall date
- home date any reason will do (could even be dinner)
- hiking or walking dog
-park
- if you have a bike, bike ride (poster @Alpha13SC does this)
- if you are high status in a scene take her to that scene, for example my dates were on dance floors replicating the experience of when i met them if i did not have the lay.(since i am the highest value dude on the dance floor)
- dancing (due to the sexual escalations even if you are not highest status like me on the dance floor)
Now this is for the tribal elders and advance players:
- sex shop
- swing club
- strip clubs (though meh)
- kink parties
- sex convention
- sex theater
- transvestite performance shows
This is for emergency mistakes.- There will be dates on which you get caught up in the "i am hungry frame by the girl" if this happens and you don't buy food you are working from a disadvantage and you will come across as cheap (even if she does not say anything same with splitting bills)... If this happens, uncle skills got you, here are the places you can take her to eat that are lover:
- Tacos should be number 1 on your list (no girl will say no to tacos, unless she is a vegetarian)
- Bistro (is like small appetizers)
- Pizza but not pizza hut or little Cesar, it should be specialized pizza such as fired roasted ovens and artesian pizzas (this type of pizza is light and gluten free) they girl will not feel bloated and heavy which will destroy sex.
- small juice stores such as Jamba juice etc...
- habit burger
^ the point has to be light, super cheap but you don't come across cheap, and no generic like MacDonald's. Do not ever let her pick out of the blue, you provide the choices and she can pick from YOUR CHOICES, one time i let girl picked and i ended up with $100 dollar bill check and did not get laid that night... (thankfully i fucked her after)
$cost.- a date should not cost you more than $20 since sometimes you are eating maybe $40 (both) if you past this guideline something is off... (this prices may be need to adjust eventually for inflation and countries)
^ now some guys go overly paranoid over this, you see guys splitting bills and being autistic going into "i want to come across as lover and no provider" and make tons of silly errors, you guys need to calibrate...Also when you get a girlfriend, or main is ok and i actually encourage you guys to go on real dates, i do so call provider types of dates once or twice a week on my dime with my current main...
Now I am not going to repeat myself too much here i will link you to teevester article about lover vs provider.- But the whole point of lover is just to have faster sex, and work backwards after sex if interested into a relationship, more efficient way, don't over complicate this.
Pre date set up.-
I am not going to cover texting, i think my texting is superior to get laid, but if you do your own stuff, IT is super important to use the words as soft close: LETS HAVE A QUICK MEET AND GREET TO SEE IF THE VIBE AND CHEMESTRY IS THERE, SOMETHING EASY AND LOW PRESSURE SUCH AS COFFEE OR A DRINK????
Now no matter if she suggest a drink (bar), no matter what you still want to meet at coffee place... If she says why? you see JUST TO MEET AND GREET WILL BOUNCE/OR GO FROM THERE SOMEWHERE ELSE... Most of my dates were at coffee places we never bought coffee or anything for that matter, and most coffee places were close lol.... (more on this later, but this is extremely important)
Pre date preparation.-
Before the date you must have.- a good style, good grooming, good hygiene (one time i had a black bean on my teeth i did not know about), dick pills (cialis or viagra or any sex shop over the counter will do), condoms, listerin breath strips or mint....
you should KNOW pre date where would you pull to have sex, either your house or her house, or motel you already have done research on, or the park, car etc... you need to know were the sex is going to happen before the date.... I seen guys that fuck this up... If you are going to a different territory or city you need to know the area pre date, all the possible places to take her for meal if she is hungry and of course to PULL. This include motel info and price, different parks and beaches to pull, if she has no family or roommates to pull to her apt.
Ideally women should live 20-45 minutes away, my rule is 20 minutes, 8 or above i don't mind 45 min.
The date.-
A good date time is times that do not Match food intake times to avoid getting stuck in the buying food situation... For example in USA 9 pm, though the "quick meet and greet coffee" frame should destroy this...
You want to attempt obviously for her to go to your place, if you have a feel she will come over or she will let you go over (i fucked multiple women in their place and my place with 0 dates), you will get a strong feel for this via texting.... "invite me over for ____" "lets watch this movie" "you should come over i will show you __________" "we should split a bottle of wine in my romantic balcony" credit pwf, you don't need to have a balcony, is to check compliance she does not have to like wine, you can ask for her favorite drink, after knowing, let me rephrase "you should come for pina colada in my romantic balcony"..... If the girl objects to come to home request, you can say "you can bring the pepper spray" credit jmlv, if she object to this, say " to many creepers have ruined it for cool guys like me, but i got you! lets have a quick meet and greet for coffee or a drink blah blah...." (you don't want to get into a negative compliance pushy loop of no coming over, retarded, so just address it once)
the 3 bounce.- concept is that you will go to 3 places of no more than 5 to max 10 min. walking distance between the 3 places, anything more than this is autism (some dudes i taught this walking for hours, Jesus Christ).... For me moving does some things, create compliance, motion creates emotion, relaxes her, kills anxiety, develop comfort... Again just by moving, second thing that this causes what mystery calls a reality distortion, she things she is known you for longer if you do the 3 bounce so is a short cut of 3 dates, get it?
The area has to have this requirement: 3 elements within walking distance of less than couple of minutes a coffee shop, a cool bar and a park or beach or isolated place. Usually downtown areas have this, or beach areas.(look at video at the end) make sure is close to your house for the pull no more than 15 minutes to max 20 to avoid buyers remorse during the drive.
bounce 1 is the meet place.- no matter what i recommend you do a coffee shop even if she is not into coffee or even if she agree for a drink.... Coffee shop is the most risk adverse social programing, safety place, anti slut defense, nothing to lose place there is... Here is just to meet, 0 game needed, just say hi, kiss on cheeck, your behavior should be unimpressed, neutral, poker face.... The time 0 to max 5 minutes. The most important part of the meet is the bounce, the escalation should be either a hand shake milking the intro. (i really did not do this on my dates, but can see it working), or a kiss on the cheeck... not a lot physical escalation here or even micro escalations, if you are heavy into escalation milking the intro is what i advice here. (though better keep it simple kiss on cheek is enough)
Bounce 2.- Should be a cool casual sexy modern bar, lounge, restaurant, or band playing, with cool people.... Here you need to flirt and micro escalate, the whole point here of flirting and micro escalating is to gauge were she is in the interaction, you will not do heavy teevester second gen stuff here, more of 60 yoc micro escalation, and general community style flirting advice or qualifications or deep diving( i am not into this) or whatever you use to seduce that you have field tested and given you results, me, i use micro escalations, cocky funny and grandmaster here.... Try not to use the second gen of teevester style to AROUSE, please don't do it here, the second gen you can use is to address objections and show secret society credentials. But no SEXUAL AROUSAL VERBALS HERE. time here should be minimum 10 max 30 minutes... Obviously if you got caught up in she was hungry, here it would be the light food, such as tacos.
Bounce 3.- Should be, beach, park, isolated part of mall/venue, or any type of isolation place that is not a closing location... Here you will go into the juicy sex talk, whatever routine you like from teevester.... I have my own mix of what he does, you can do one or combine your own that you have practice by yourself multiple times and it comes across congruent and natural when you deliver it... min 10 max 20 minutes
Troubleshooting.-
A date should be ideally minimum 45 minutes max hour and a half, anymore than this you are overkill and low odds.
on 3 dates.- If a girl has not close you into 2 dates, something is off... However i fucked girls 3 dates, but after 2 dates, i totally lose interest... The key of 3 dates is that the escalation to arousal has increase from date 1 to date 2....... If is not increasing her excitement, sexual arousal and compliance you are wasting your time, but if it is then is fine.... Or you can experiment with pure evil 3 dates if you are advance.
I will give you some of MY RESULTS so you get an idea:
- 70% from online will fuck you right away, another 30% need a second encounter. In this case i designed another ^ 3 bounce in different place, or same location different places. (every time i did a second 3 bounce i fucked 100% OF THAT 30%)
- Girls from clubs 95% will do you right away following 3 bounce (but remember my game on clubs very physical, and my texting good).
- Day game girls (dunno don't do much day game but from what i seen from student is 50/50) but most not really advance guys or freestyle too much, or autistics... so they may need another 3 bounce same place different location or a second 3 bounce....
I am going to address this.- A lot of guys advocate splitting bill, i seen top guys that are good at game and know how to date, losing girls due to this... first again is not a big investment 10 max 20, second even if you split and she seems happy (she knows you are cheap), this has nothing to do with lover provider (yes retarded).... And a lot of dudes lose lays cause of this, seen it too many times... I know some gurus advice for this, good for them, i want you to follow in this case exactly what i am telling you to do.
I will provide some sources and lay reports that are relevant to this discussion.... Please read them for context... I hate when i add links, and people don't take the time and read it, is like you are not getting the whole benefit....
How to know when the lay is not there
@Proper lay report on lay not there
for the 3 bounce routines that i use for sex talk or pick one from teevester you like here
this is a lay report from @Swati on splitting bill
a video i made on 3 bounce though i was trolling too much (and i don't hold hands, that is bs, i did it to fuck around)
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