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Re: About to hit the bar scene again in a couple of days, need help! (college ba

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f you have not had any success at college bar type settings I ask that you not post on this thread because I have to go to school in this town for a year so if I mess up or do something bad, a lot of shitty rumors can spread and make my life uncomfortable.

I'm gonna tell you a very blunt truth that you probably haven't considered but once you understand it, a lot of anxiety will absolve

Nobody in your town gives a fuck about you.

Until you're a super popular guy or work at a popular spot (e.g., college bar), nobody will talk about you, save for an occasional "look at that creepy guy," which doesn't mean shit. You wanna know how many times I've been called "creepy"? 100x more times than you, for sure. You're in your head, dawg. Realize that everyone else is more worried about if THEY look creepy than if you do; and the people who will throw you under the bus for approaching are themselves quite worthless socially. The people who matter don't gain anything by creep-shaming you, and they've BEEN there, so they don't insult people trying to improve themselves.

Reputation management doesn't really matter until you're at the intermediate stage. Your progress socially infinitely trumps your reputation right now.

Until you get to the point that people are talking to you and saying "hey, Alatir, I eavesdropped on some people talking about you at the dining hall, blablbla," then fuck reputation. And even then, fuck reputation haha. But I suppose you gotta see the truth for yourself, but here's the sneakpeak - reputation is a functional social value; it is inherently worthless in and of itself. Honestly, my advice to you is to burn the boats, approach like a monster, and say fuck your college reputation. Then, when you graduate, you'll be prepared for a world of pure cold-approach.

Your life is already uncomfortable, Altair. Fuck everybody. Go hard. Be the creepiest dude in town if it means you get better. Also, how big is your school? If it's anywhere above 15k, you'd have to try pretty damn hard to gain any sort of notoriety.

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Altair,

I'm going to suggest something that others have indirectly touched up on in this thread. But never directly said it. For newer guys who are completely uncomfortable even stepping in a bar, I think you should make your goal for the night to have fun. You don't have to do a single approach. You don't have to do anything that's even slightly uncomfortable to you. Why? Because you're already stretching past your comfort zone just by being there. By the sound of it, you seem a little uncomfortable being in a bar/club. You need it to feel natural/at home before approaching and getting results is at all realistic.

Next: Have goals which are completely within your control. You mentioned that one of your goals is to walk up to a hot blonde and not get completely blown off. Look at that for a second. Ask yourself this: Is that 100% in your control? The answer is no. Hypothetically, even Franco or Anatman can have a bad night and get blown off by every hot blonde there is. Likely? Maybe not. But still very possible. Why is that? Because the goal is entirely based on HER reaction to YOU. Stop that. Instead, make your goal: Walk up to x number of hot blondes and open them. Or walk up to however many hot blondes it takes to start feeling comfortable around them (regardless of their reaction). The point is its something YOU have to do. Not something THEY have to do.

What this does for you is it makes it seem like a challenge to overcome as opposed to something which creates fear and anxiety. Its like a videogame. You know you can win if try hard enough. As opposed to gambling, where at least part of it feels largely outside of your control (which thereby creates anxiety.) Moreover, it gets your mind off people's reactions. If the task you set your mind to is to take a certain action, you won't be as focused on other things (including other people's reactions). Because all you care about is completing the action. The reaction is irrelevant. Whereas, if you set your mind to something which is reaction based, anxiety goes up. Because like I said, you don't know and there is And on a micro level, there's nothing you can possibly do to guarantee you'll achieve the desired reaction.


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Ray already mentioned this but, you're labeling things as "FU" and you're calling them "bad nights out" even though they're completely normal for beginners. I feel like maybe you're comparing yourself to some of the very experianced guys on the boards or some (likely unrealistic) standard that you've created in your head. Look...the average guy doesn't have the balls to even go out alone. Just by doing that, you've won. Look around in the bar. How many guys do you see approaching girls they don't know? Ok, maybe a few. But how many do you think want to? Probably nearly all of them. They just don't have the balls to do it. In fact, they've given up on the notion of doing so entirely. Instead, they've resorted to having medicore lives trying to game girls in social circle only. So just by making an effort you're already ahead of them. Cause A. You'll learn quickly if you keep it up. B. Even if you approach 10 girls and 9 of them say no, that's still a win. Cause you got one more "result" (w.e a positive interaction means to you), then almost all the other guys there.

My point is, look at what you're accomplishing and stop measuring yourself up to an unrealistic standard. There's always going to be guys who are better than you, and there's always going to be guys who are worse than you. You're doing fine as long as you're making progress. And you ARE making progress. If nothing else, you're increasing your comfort level at bars and gaining more reference points.


As for the reputation management/ fratboy finding out you hit on his girl concern that you have. Believe me, that shit is NOT gonna happen. Don't believe me? When's the last time you've heard of a guy you know cold approaching a girl in a bar and there being any real consequences for it. ...I'm guessing never.
As for reputation as a whole...see Hector's post. It doesn't really matter. Your a senior. Remember how in HS you always wanted to be popular (or if you were, how you always wanted to maintain popularity)? Now think back to it. Probably feels like a distant dream right? Well guess what? Same shit happens once you're done with college.


Good Luck!
 

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I keep thinking about that one guy who creeped out the Ohio St campus but the thing is that he did it during day time. Good stuff here guys, I am grateful that all of you took the time to help me out and gave your advice. I have read it and decided to listen to a good amount of it.

The problem I am running into is taking that next step to where I make the convo sexual and put myself in a position to take her back to my place or get a makeout at the bar.
 

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Bboy100 said:
Next: Have goals which are completely within your control. You mentioned that one of your goals is to walk up to a hot blonde and not get completely blown off. Look at that for a second. Ask yourself this: Is that 100% in your control? The answer is no. Hypothetically, even Franco or Anatman can have a bad night and get blown off by every hot blonde there is. Likely? Maybe not. But still very possible. Why is that? Because the goal is entirely based on HER reaction to YOU. Stop that. Instead, make your goal: Walk up to x number of hot blondes and open them. Or walk up to however many hot blondes it takes to start feeling comfortable around them (regardless of their reaction). The point is its something YOU have to do. Not something THEY have to do.

Haha, hellz yeah man. I get blown out by blondes and brunettes alike. Thing is, now, when you see her stone cold bitch face and the dismissive "thank you," you just laugh. And sometimes, you even notice that she's eye fucking you while rejecting you at the same time. Know what that means? "My reputation is important and I have to reject you for social reasons, but tasting your cock actually sounds fun." I remember going out with Franco one night and I approached one of those stunner club girls that blows out every other guy. Guess what happened? She had a conversation with me for about a minute, full of smiling and eye fucking, but she had to eject at some point to save face, as I was the only guy in the venue cold approaching (too many eyes on her). I walked back to Franco and got his feedback - found out we both had the same read: she wanted the dick, but not enough to threaten her status (girls will choose reputation 95% of the time). As she left the room a few minutes later, she gave me one of those shy, peripheral vision stares and then grinned like a schoolgirl as she walked passed us.

Rejections go down as you get better, but still are quite prevalent and they take a different form. Sometimes, after like 15 to 20 of them, it does hit you a little bit, but then you remember how many nights out you've had where things started bad then kicked ass. Or you recall that after a cold streak, you always get some pussy eventually.



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Re: About to hit the bar scene again in a couple of days, need help! (college ba

Don't worry about that.

Like I said before, like some of the other peeps have said as well, get your act together.

That means learning to chill. It means having fun, being perfectly content sitting by the bar, listening to the music, making innocuous conversation with whoever is around you, being social.

The first hurdle is being comfortable socially, in general. Be comfortable in your skin. You really shouldn't be thinking about escalating at this point. Conversation doesn't have to be sexual. I actually go out of my way to avoid sexual topics. I project sexuality through my body language, eye contact, voice, and especially proximity/touch.

Work on your fundamentals. Be chill. Have fun. Stop worrying about trying to get laid. Think about how to have fun, and make others have fun by being in a good emotional state yourself first. Work on your presence and your charisma. Be sexy through your nonverbals (everything I just said in the previous paragraph) and just keep the conversation flowing in a fun and interesting direction. Get her talking about herself and reward her when she puts in effort into the conversation.

The number one complaint that I hear from my female friends and women I have dated is that men are boring. And I ask, why?

Their resounding, nearly unanimous answer is that these men either don't shut up about themselves and they never listen. Listen. Find ways to get her to keep talking, and talking about things that she enjoys, and even better, find commonalities or topics that you both enjoy.

Can't find commonalities? Even better. Get her to teach you or be genuinely interested in the things that she knows, and you don't. Be curious about her and her interests and ask thoughtful and engaging questions. By doing this, you're rewarding her effort to make conversation and letting her open up to you. There's nothing more charming and sexy then a man who is a good listener and is able to really get to know her.

THe difference between a male friend who is her emotional tampon and a sexy man who understands women is the sexy man keeps the conversation on fun, positive, interesting topics and leads the conversation in ways she can show off her qualities as a woman, and then you reward her with compliments, genuine interest and curiosity about her life. Couple that with sexy body language, vibe, eye contact, touch. She is helpless.
 

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I keep thinking about that one guy who creeped out the Ohio St campus but the thing is that he did it during day time.
I dunno who this guy is. But he's one of few very cases. There's a reason why this made the news. lol. Cause its entertaining and not a common occurrence. There are millions of other things you could be worrying about in life which are far more realistic dangers. Also, its ok to be creepy every once in a while. Every single person who's done anything with women ever went through a phase where he was consistantly creepy. Then he got better and mostly avoids it. But even an expert will be perceived as creepy every once in a while. Give yourself permission to make these mistakes instead of trying so hard to avoid them.

The problem I am running into is taking that next step to where I make the convo sexual and put myself in a position to take her back to my place or get a makeout at the bar
I used to have this problem too. And I wrote a retardedly high # posts on it because to me at the time, I had no idea what this looked like. I thought it was this really special "state" that we would both go into or some shit like that. Nothing could be further from the truth. So there's two answers to this:

1. Don't even worry about it yet. You're still getting over AA and trying to feel comfortable. Once you've done that, you can move onto creating sexual vibes.
2. Its often just a matter of making a move. You don't necessarily need to do anything all that special to get a girl to makeout with you. It's honestly mostly about making a move.
Ex. One night, I was super drunk at a party. I made out with 3 different girls. Each within a minute of meeting them. No, I didn't do anything special. I was drunk as fuck and couldn't even hold a normal conversation. <----I'm not saying I recommend this strategy. In fact, its probably a bad idea. But my point is, it doesn't take much if anything at all.

Even when I'm sober, I don't do anything at all with my words, and it doesn't feel all that different from the rest of my time with the girl. I just have my fundamentals in order and do some light kino. If they're ok with it, I move onto putting my arm around her. If she's ok with it that, then she's probably going to have no problem being kissed.

Looking back, there were plenty of other cases of girls who would've had no problem making out with me. I just never made a move because I thought it would "feel" different. Realistically, it honestly doesn't.
 
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