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TL;DR. Got to third base for the first time. Looking for some advice on whether or not I could have taken it all the way and what I should do next time. She said the whole time that one part of her really wanted to, but the other part was saying no. She has only had one partner before, she's 21, and that wasn't a good experience. She really wants to see me again, but I leave town in three weeks and it seems like she wants something serious so I don't know how this will go down. She said she didn't know anything about me but only because I kept the conversation on her the entire time. Any advice on whether or not I could have closed or what I could have done differently would be fantastic.
Taking this straight from my journal.
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Brian Tracy, (a sales expert) once said that you don't develop your closing skills when you make a sale. Rather, you develop your closing skills when faced with a prospect who just will not budge and you hit them with everything you have, over and over again just to build your closing muscle.
I guess the same principle works in game because I sure had my tough prospect last night! Then again, I can't believe that I got as far as I did on a first date.
Got her to walk the 20 mins over to mine, and went for a quick bite to eat.
Took me a while to build my social momentum and get in the flow but after 75-90 minutes we were at a bar 2 minutes away from my place. We had one beer and I asked the remaining "8 questions to always ask a girl". Didn't do 7 or 8 as I didn't feel I could do it naturally but did ask them at 4am.
Noticed a pool table at the bar so we had a game- easy chance to get some physicality showing her how to aim, how to position her hand etc. Immediately after our first game she brought out more money for another.
It's maybe 11.30 now. We have our second and last drink. Conversation is really flowing now. I ask if Austria has a version of jersey shore, as there is a very funny spoof of a Northern Ireland version. I botch my yes ladder a bit, mumbling my words, but she agrees to come back to watch it.
At my place, I get her to take off her shoes. I offer her a drink of water and go to the toilet to get her used to my room. I show her a video of hurling, an Irish sport we talked about as I didn't want her to get too interested with a comedy sketch.
I stare at her and try and kiss her. She resists, I try again, she says "what will this lead to,". My reply, "We won't have sex, I just want to kiss you." I try again and she really gets into it. After a quick kiss, I pull back and she shows me a video of some Austrian dancing thing. I kiss her again and pull her back so she's lying on top of me.
We get under the covers and I start touching her everywhere. I take her boobs out over her top after some resistance. "It doesn't count as sex, It just makes it hotter," is my new favourite line. I always thought licking boobs would feel different...
I try to take her top off but she again insists that we're not having sex. I get to her pussy over her tights and she's soaking. She doesn't let me put her hand down her tights but is ok with me playing with her clit over the pants.
The gist of the rest of the pull was I'd try and do something and she'd move my hand away. She would kiss me more passionately every time I touched her pussy but continued to insist we weren't going to have sex.
I whispered a lot of things in ear, "You do know me- I'm Tom, Look what your making me do, You're so sexy, You're boobs feel amazing," I got her ass out over her tights and this was as far as I could get for a while. Eventually, I take off my boxers. I thought I'd have a raging boner but it stayed pretty flaccid most of the time.
I get her to play with my dick and she starts to wank me off. Around this point I finally started to finger her properly- it took ages though. Push, pull back, push, pull back, push, pull back over and over again. The sheets were soaked she was so wet.
She was adamant the entire time that we were not having sex. Eventually, she tells me she had a bad experience with her last and only partner- in a sentence, he was terrible in bed and she didn't want to regret it again. Another, thing I found interesting was that she kept saying how one part of her really wanted to but the other part didn't.
I threw every LMR technique and thing to say I could think of.
We finally takes her tights off so we're both completely naked. I go to get a condom (keep them in cupboard beside bed dumbass!) and she says we won't be needing it.
At this point, I actually gave up and took condom off as I'd went soft. We talk for five minutes and explains how she has a rule to herself and had to get to know me better first. I get her excited again with my words and go through the whole process again. She wouldn't give me head as she said she didn't like doing it. just what every guy wants to hear...
After more push and pull she finally let's me finger her fully and I make her cum while she pulls on my dick. I'd been wary to make her cum before as I didn't want her to cum before we had real sex. She tells me to stop as she's finished. This really surprised me as I thought she had a while to go yet. Wasn't an amazing orgasm she says but she still came. I go and reach for another condom.
She starts to say she's tired and I whisper we're only getting started. I put the condom on- found this part awkward as I had to stop doing everything to her in order to get it on- any advice to make the transition easier and without freaking her out that I want sex.
She doesn't care too much that I haven't came yet but I keep going anyway. If she's still naked in my bed, there's still a chance of losing my virginity, right?
I knocked her head against the wall, at which point I got too frustrated to continue- made sure not to let me frustration show.
I don't even want to settle for a handjob so off goes the condom as I'm soft and we lie beside each other. I check my watch and we've been going through this show for 2.5 hours. Couldn't believe it- thought it was maybe one max. . .
We talk for another hour before falling asleep.
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She definitely wants to see me again but I have no idea what to do. Is that my best chance gone? I think I'm going to see her on Tuesday, and then we go to the same meetup on Thursday nights.
I'm thinking a quick coffee date on Tuesday with no escalation to show I'm not just chasing for sex, and then pulling her back to mine or me going back to hers on Thursday.
Any advice on what could do differently would be really appreciated. I have another date with a new girl this week also so I'm wondering how I could change my approach.
Thanks everyone
Taking this straight from my journal.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Tracy, (a sales expert) once said that you don't develop your closing skills when you make a sale. Rather, you develop your closing skills when faced with a prospect who just will not budge and you hit them with everything you have, over and over again just to build your closing muscle.
I guess the same principle works in game because I sure had my tough prospect last night! Then again, I can't believe that I got as far as I did on a first date.
Got her to walk the 20 mins over to mine, and went for a quick bite to eat.
Took me a while to build my social momentum and get in the flow but after 75-90 minutes we were at a bar 2 minutes away from my place. We had one beer and I asked the remaining "8 questions to always ask a girl". Didn't do 7 or 8 as I didn't feel I could do it naturally but did ask them at 4am.
Noticed a pool table at the bar so we had a game- easy chance to get some physicality showing her how to aim, how to position her hand etc. Immediately after our first game she brought out more money for another.
It's maybe 11.30 now. We have our second and last drink. Conversation is really flowing now. I ask if Austria has a version of jersey shore, as there is a very funny spoof of a Northern Ireland version. I botch my yes ladder a bit, mumbling my words, but she agrees to come back to watch it.
At my place, I get her to take off her shoes. I offer her a drink of water and go to the toilet to get her used to my room. I show her a video of hurling, an Irish sport we talked about as I didn't want her to get too interested with a comedy sketch.
I stare at her and try and kiss her. She resists, I try again, she says "what will this lead to,". My reply, "We won't have sex, I just want to kiss you." I try again and she really gets into it. After a quick kiss, I pull back and she shows me a video of some Austrian dancing thing. I kiss her again and pull her back so she's lying on top of me.
We get under the covers and I start touching her everywhere. I take her boobs out over her top after some resistance. "It doesn't count as sex, It just makes it hotter," is my new favourite line. I always thought licking boobs would feel different...
I try to take her top off but she again insists that we're not having sex. I get to her pussy over her tights and she's soaking. She doesn't let me put her hand down her tights but is ok with me playing with her clit over the pants.
The gist of the rest of the pull was I'd try and do something and she'd move my hand away. She would kiss me more passionately every time I touched her pussy but continued to insist we weren't going to have sex.
I whispered a lot of things in ear, "You do know me- I'm Tom, Look what your making me do, You're so sexy, You're boobs feel amazing," I got her ass out over her tights and this was as far as I could get for a while. Eventually, I take off my boxers. I thought I'd have a raging boner but it stayed pretty flaccid most of the time.
I get her to play with my dick and she starts to wank me off. Around this point I finally started to finger her properly- it took ages though. Push, pull back, push, pull back, push, pull back over and over again. The sheets were soaked she was so wet.
She was adamant the entire time that we were not having sex. Eventually, she tells me she had a bad experience with her last and only partner- in a sentence, he was terrible in bed and she didn't want to regret it again. Another, thing I found interesting was that she kept saying how one part of her really wanted to but the other part didn't.
I threw every LMR technique and thing to say I could think of.
We finally takes her tights off so we're both completely naked. I go to get a condom (keep them in cupboard beside bed dumbass!) and she says we won't be needing it.
At this point, I actually gave up and took condom off as I'd went soft. We talk for five minutes and explains how she has a rule to herself and had to get to know me better first. I get her excited again with my words and go through the whole process again. She wouldn't give me head as she said she didn't like doing it. just what every guy wants to hear...
After more push and pull she finally let's me finger her fully and I make her cum while she pulls on my dick. I'd been wary to make her cum before as I didn't want her to cum before we had real sex. She tells me to stop as she's finished. This really surprised me as I thought she had a while to go yet. Wasn't an amazing orgasm she says but she still came. I go and reach for another condom.
She starts to say she's tired and I whisper we're only getting started. I put the condom on- found this part awkward as I had to stop doing everything to her in order to get it on- any advice to make the transition easier and without freaking her out that I want sex.
She doesn't care too much that I haven't came yet but I keep going anyway. If she's still naked in my bed, there's still a chance of losing my virginity, right?
I knocked her head against the wall, at which point I got too frustrated to continue- made sure not to let me frustration show.
I don't even want to settle for a handjob so off goes the condom as I'm soft and we lie beside each other. I check my watch and we've been going through this show for 2.5 hours. Couldn't believe it- thought it was maybe one max. . .
We talk for another hour before falling asleep.
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She definitely wants to see me again but I have no idea what to do. Is that my best chance gone? I think I'm going to see her on Tuesday, and then we go to the same meetup on Thursday nights.
I'm thinking a quick coffee date on Tuesday with no escalation to show I'm not just chasing for sex, and then pulling her back to mine or me going back to hers on Thursday.
Any advice on what could do differently would be really appreciated. I have another date with a new girl this week also so I'm wondering how I could change my approach.
Thanks everyone
