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Advice for a problem I deal with... A very bad relationship with my mother

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Space Monkey
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Hi guys,

Since my late adolescent years, I've had a very bad relationship with my mother. I get into arguments with her on a regular basis. I've told her I hate her, she was a bad mother, etc. I have an older brother, who she adores more than me, and has even told me so.

My parents and my brother were immigrants to the US, but I was born in the US. My mother has an accent and is not at all Westernized. She has no concern with Western culture and never took the time to assimilate into American culture. My father, on the other hand, did assimilate quite well. Growing up she never spent any real time with me, nor did she ever have the type of small talk mothers often have with their children. She never asked me anything about what my favorite this or that is, or what was going on in school, etc. Now, as an adult, I find it impossible to have any sort of intellectual or insightful conversation with her. She is a simple women, and I am very far from simple, having been raised and educated in Western society. However, I get along with my father much better, and I don't have these issues with him. I don't think any of the stuff I've been through with my mother is my fault, as she told me outright on more than one occasion that she loves my brother more than me. I didn't do anything to deserve that, and I believe it was careless and hurtful of her to say such this.

What I want to know is, does this really effect my relationship with other women?

Girls with father issues often have problems with men. I don't believe this effects the way I look at women at all, but I think women may think badly of me if they know I have a very bad relationship with my mother. I don't think they should see my badly, since I believe my mother's treatment of me is not my fault. I am conscious of the bad relationship I have with my mother and know that I am not a bad person nor did I do anything to deserve what I went through. I also do not project the feelings I have towards my mother on other women. I have always had great relationships and friendships with women all my life. In fact, my late aunt was like a mother to me, as she cared for me deeply and provided me with emotional support as a child.

Also, does anyone else share this sort of experience? And how does it effect you? I would like some advice from you guys as to how I should deal with this as a man, and as a man who wants to move forward with his life, without negativity.
 

daviddreamer

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Well I have a very bad relationship with my Father but the effects are quite different. If anything, it has actually made my connection with Woman even better because I can talk to them on a more deeper level and guys like us are more in tune with our emotions. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just don't become emotionally unstable because woman do not find that attractive.

Other then that. I'm not sure how I can help you here. I think you'll be fine. If anything learn to acknowledge life isn't sunshine and rainbows and it could always be worse. My best friend growing up didn't even have a dad and his Mom did drugs...so could always be worse.
 

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daviddreamer said:
Well I have a very bad relationship with my Father but the effects are quite different. If anything, it has actually made my connection with Woman even better because I can talk to them on a more deeper level and guys like us are more in tune with our emotions. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just don't become emotionally unstable because woman do not find that attractive.

Other then that. I'm not sure how I can help you here. I think you'll be fine. If anything learn to acknowledge life isn't sunshine and rainbows and it could always be worse. My best friend growing up didn't even have a dad and his Mom did drugs...so could always be worse.

Thanks for the reply.

I have never been emotionally unstable from this, mainly because I see the problem as external, and not my fault. However, when women ask me how my relationship is with my mother, how am I supposed to tell them it's not good without having them think I'm emotionally screwed up or a hater of women? It's tough to explain the whole thing with how my mother treated me, and I really don't even go into it with women. It's hard to say that the relationship is bad without making myself appear bad. The women naturally assume part of it must be my fault, when in reality it's not.

I agree that it could be worse. That's actually how I've dealt with it my whole life. I see it as the hand I was dealt, and we all have negative things in life we have to deal with. All of us. So this is my hand, but do I really have to continue dealing with it? I'm a grown man and I can just choose not to have anything to do with my mother... which it looks like, will probably be the case in the near future. Occasional hello's, but I can't see anything beyond that. She doesn't think she was ever wrong, so it becomes an unfortunate case of things just never being resolved... a negativity in my life and that's what's tough. I just don't want that, because I'm not a negative person. But I guess I just have to remind myself that I did nothing wrong, so maybe it won't be a negativity that stays with me. Maybe it's just moving on with life and putting behind the negativity.
 

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Momentum said:
daviddreamer said:
Well I have a very bad relationship with my Father but the effects are quite different. If anything, it has actually made my connection with Woman even better because I can talk to them on a more deeper level and guys like us are more in tune with our emotions. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just don't become emotionally unstable because woman do not find that attractive.

Other then that. I'm not sure how I can help you here. I think you'll be fine. If anything learn to acknowledge life isn't sunshine and rainbows and it could always be worse. My best friend growing up didn't even have a dad and his Mom did drugs...so could always be worse.

Thanks for the reply.

I have never been emotionally unstable from this, mainly because I see the problem as external, and not my fault. However, when women ask me how my relationship is with my mother, how am I supposed to tell them it's not good without having them think I'm emotionally screwed up or a hater of women? Its all about how you frame things. Honestly in this case I would just tell the truth. You can really deep dive in these moments and make a woman feel she has a special connection with you because you "opened up". It's tough to explain the whole thing with how my mother treated me, and I really don't even go into it with women. It's hard to say that the relationship is bad without making myself appear bad. The women naturally assume part of it must be my fault, when in reality it's not. Maybe they will maybe they won't. The key here is to slowly open up about yourself over time. You don't have to let your woman know everything. I would wait till shes asks or probes about it and then let little details out.

I agree that it could be worse. That's actually how I've dealt with it my whole life. I see it as the hand I was dealt, and we all have negative things in life we have to deal with. All of us. Yep. True true. So this is my hand, but do I really have to continue dealing with it? You have to respond to it not react to it. I'm a grown man and I can just choose not to have anything to do with my mother... which it looks like, will probably be the case in the near future. It is what it is. I have talked to my Father maybe once in the past 6 years. Occasional hello's, but I can't see anything beyond that. She doesn't think she was ever wrong, so it becomes an unfortunate case of things just never being resolved... a negativity in my life and that's what's tough. I just don't want that, because I'm not a negative person. But I guess I just have to remind myself that I did nothing wrong, so maybe it won't be a negativity that stays with me. Maybe it's just moving on with life and putting behind the negativity. Exactly...you can't change your past but you can shape your future.
 

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Davidreamer,

I appreciate your time and insights. I agree with pretty much all your thoughts, and it's very helpful. Thanks, man.

I have a question for you: I can see how your experience with your father makes you connect better with women on an emotional level, but do you think it effects your social interactions with other men at all?
 

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Hmm few things occurred to me though I must apologize if I am off base not having been in your exact situation. I do have problems with my dad and one brother though perhaps not to the same degree.

Well firstly you can treat it like any other social circle issue -- if someone isn't adding value to your life, cut them out. The thing that makes it not simple is (1) you still want to have relationships with other family members (2) you don't want to look reactive (3) you are genetically programmed to seek and value your parents' approval. That last one -- an obviois survival advantage in normal circumstances -- is the biggie. The only way to deal with this is to be aware of it, monitor your emotional state and implement workarounds as needed. As you, a strong man, would do in any other circumstances causing emotional issues.

The next thing to remember is they do not care about you. So while it's natural to hope for eventual resolution to issues and rapprochement and acknowledgement of where they went wrong, it ain't gonna happen bud, or you wouldn't have been in the situation that led you to write this post. So stop giving them chances. What's probably happened is you've made yourself too attainable. So what I would suggest is, if at all possible, get her chasing (obviously this isn't situation where you can just go out and meet a new chick and do things right from the start, so be prepared for the long haul).

Just be a bit aloof, don't share any information about yourself voluntarily, and if she asks, test her by giving noncomittal answers or deflecting the question the first few times. Don't give her eye contact or attention unless she had done something you want to encourage. Any drama try the soft NEXT (the hard NEXT is more difficult in the circumstances). Obviously, go into this gradually and give the bare minimum of courtesy so you don't look reactive. Remember your frame is you don't give a fuck what she thinks cos you are busy living the life of a high value man.

cheers, Ray
 
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ray_zorse said:
Hmm few things occurred to me though I must apologize if I am off base not having been in your exact situation. I do have problems with my dad and one brother though perhaps not to the same degree.

Well firstly you can treat it like any other social circle issue -- if someone isn't adding value to your life, cut them out. The thing that makes it not simple is (1) you still want to have relationships with other family members (2) you don't want to look reactive (3) you are genetically programmed to seek and value your parents' approval. That last one -- an obviois survival advantage in normal circumstances -- is the biggie. The only way to deal with this is to be aware of it, monitor your emotional state and implement workarounds as needed. As you, a strong man, would do in any other circumstances causing emotional issues.

The next thing to remember is they do not care about you. So while it's natural to hope for eventual resolution to issues and rapprochement and acknowledgement of where they went wrong, it ain't gonna happen bud, or you wouldn't have been in the situation that led you to write this post. So stop giving them chances. What's probably happened is you've made yourself too attainable. So what I would suggest is, if at all possible, get her chasing (obviously this isn't situation where you can just go out and meet a new chick and do things right from the start, so be prepared for the long haul).

Just be a bit aloof, don't share any information about yourself voluntarily, and if she asks, test her by giving noncomittal answers or deflecting the question the first few times. Don't give her eye contact or attention unless she had done something you want to encourage. Any drama try the soft NEXT (the hard NEXT is more difficult in the circumstances). Obviously, go into this gradually and give the bare minimum of courtesy so you don't look reactive. Remember your frame is you don't give a fuck what she thinks cos you are busy living the life of a high value man.

cheers, Ray

Thanks for the reply, Ray. As you mentioned in your post, reactivity plays a big role in this. Being a strong and insightful man, I see this as an extrinsic social issue, otherwise if it was intrinsic, I would be able to quickly change the situation. I never expected the situation to change, and I mentioned my mother is quite stubborn and unwilling to change in her approach. She uses immature defense mechanisms to defend her ego, something people of higher insights and those seeking personal growth don't do. So the issue is whether or not cutting off someone who is of low value to me will harbor negativity in my life, since society often tells us that you can't cut off family members. But as a strong and insightful man, like many contributors to this site and forum, I don't listen to society, as it's full of constructs of social control and of which strong men are not the majority. Therefore, I can see that this will not be a negativity in my future. We shape our future, as davidreamer put it. Of course we do... I can't believe I lost sight of that.

With women, I make sure never to be too attainable. The few times this has come up with women, it's in very late stages. In fact, the last time it happened was with a girl I was in a relationship with. However, I have not been in a relationship for years, as the abundance of women and having them chase me perpetually has given me what I want from women, and I have returned that to them with amazing sex. I was curious about how to inform a woman of this if I choose to form the relationship bond in the future, as this is important in personal growth and the connection we have with a woman in our lives. Like you mentioned, not appearing reactive and your frame is important and can't be overlooked. Thanks again for the post.
 

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Here is a great article from a reputable psychologist which I think gets to the heart of your issue. I actually recommend this article to any man who wants to up his game, especially if they have issues with their mother.

http://gettinbetter.com/needlove.html
 
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