Advice Needed Please!

[escwa2456]

About a year ago, I moved down to a fairly populated city in the midwest. Pretty much every weekend, I’ll go out to a club or bar with either a friend or by myself and try to practice “night game”. Every Friday or Saturday night typically consists of me and my friend listening to music and having a couple of drinks, and then walking over to a bar/club near me.

At the first place we usually go to, I’ll talk to a couple women using some standard openers such as “what drink did you get”, or “I like your ____” and then I try to gauge their interest level from there. At around 11:30-12 am, we usually go to another club that has more EDM focused music, at which point I’ll maybe talk to a couple more women, as at this said venue, I’m pretty much only exclusively dancing to the music.

So over the course of the night, I’ll usually talk to 5-6 women. I think that it’s important to note that I’ve had some pretty good success using dating apps, but I really want to start meeting people in real life. Also I think it’s important to note that I’m fairly good looking but I'm also pretty short (around 5’7). Overall, I’m confused as to what I’m doing wrong as despite going out very consistently, I still haven’t had any success with getting any numbers or anything else. Therefore I’m wondering the following,


Is it still worth going out to do night game despite having little to no success over the last year? Or should I potentially focus on trying a different method of game such as doing day game?



Should I have a goal as to how many women I should “approach” during the night (such as having a goal to talk to 5 women) or should I have a different goal entirely?



Should I potentially try different venues? (The first venue we typically go to is R & B focused music that caters to a younger crowd, and the second venue we go to is usually EDM music)


Any advice would be greatly appreciated and thanks in advance!

 

[ulrich]

You seem to be doing the right things.

A better question would be why your approaches don’t turn into numbers or lays.
Where are you dropping the ball?

 

[ElderPrice]

Hard to say without more info. Need to know how many girls you've approached total so far doing night game. Also, as ulrich said, we need more info from you to get a feel for where in the seduction things are failing.

 

[escwa2456]

I appreciate the responses! I would say over the course of the last year, I've probably approached/talked to 70 women during night game and have maybe gotten four numbers and one "FR+". I watched a couple videos from "Todd V" and it sounds like maybe my goal should be instead of counting the number approaches I do, I should instead focus on the goal of getting one number each time I go out. I think this could potentially help motivate me because at the end of almost every night, I feel like I could have done more. Additionally by doing this, it forces me to approach more women because I know I need at least one number by the end of the night. Also I know for a fact the reason why I'm not number closing with the women I talk with is because I'm scared of rejection.

If this goal of getting one number every time I go out doesn't come to fruition, I'll probably end up trying a different goal such as talking to one women every day, which I think would essentially force me out of my house everyday to socialize and practice my "game".

 

[HoofHearted]

A couple of suggestions.

1. Cut the drinking out.
2. Consider cutting the buddies out. Maybe one or two at most, and those goals need to be aligned.
3. Have all logistics ironclad sorted out. What will happen if you get a fish on the line, precisely?
4. I'm a bit out of my element in this suggestion, since I am not nor have ever really been a clubgoer. But understand that the paydirt is in the cracks. Walking between venues is perfect. Waiting in line is great. Little food places stashed between clubs are also great. Look in places you wouldn't think.

Also, if you talked to 70 women and nothing happened, you might need to ask yourself about your internal state of being. If you tell me that you talked to 70 women and nothing happened, barring something critically wrong and assuming you're an average dude, I might start to think that your goal is actually to NOT sleep with women. Why would that be?

 

[ElderPrice]

Only 70 approaches? That's not much. When I go out, my goal is always 20 approaches. AT LEAST 10. And I define an approach as when you get to the point in a conversation when you exchange names.

The other thing that stands out to me is you seem to be focused on getting the phone number. There's A LOT that goes on in between the approach and getting a number, such as reaching the hook point, the opener, the pre-opener, IOIs, etc. I recommend reading up on everything that happens before going for a number close. You have no reason to switch up venues at this time.