Age at which members of the opposite sex look best to each other

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Data taken from a massive OkCupid poll. Looks like 25 is possibly the best age to be if you want to fuck highly attractive girls who are either fresh out of college or even in college. Anything past 25 and it seems like you are too old, 26 and 27 might work though and anything younger than 23 seems like men are not even hitting their primes in terms of looks yet. Also IMO, looks matter a lot more now to women than they have in the past.

 

[Franco]

Pro,

I would take this OkCupid measurement with a grain of salt considering that it's based heavily on online dating results where looks are literally the most important thing.

Chase has mentioned several times that guys actually tend to reach the peak of their pick-up potentials in their early-to-mid 30s (and a lot of my friends who do well with women are in their early 30s, so I can confirm this), but I imagine this only goes the way of cold approach. For girls, there's just something too creepy about a guy in his 30s having to use an online dating website to find women (and talk to younger girls). Girls have to ask themselves, "why is he using online dating at 30? He must have no idea what to do with women, or he's just really creepy."

So if anything, I would say this measurement is probably more accurate in relation to online dating rather than cold approach.

- Franco

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I don't know about that Franco, how in the world would a 30 yr old even find that many women without online dating? For me, being around the 25-26 yr old range, Tinder has done wonders for my lay count. After college, the amount of available women you run into drops dramatically unless you happen to live in a large city full of attractive women. Also, looks matter a lot more these days than they used to back decades ago, lots of factors playing into that such as women being able to financially provide for themselves.

 

[Franco]

Pro,

Bars everywhere, man! If you think guys stop going to bars when they hit 30, then you're kidding yourself.

I'd say the majority of guys who actually get laid the most (and that you never hear about) are just regularly going out every weekend (and some weekdays depending on the guys) and just meet random girls to sleep with. It's pretty common, especially in bigger towns/cities. There's a lot less "PUA" type of stuff going on and many more "naturals" who go out just to try to get laid. They aren't necessarily as consistent as a guy who has a process and goes out solo with the sole intention of bringing a girl home, but they go out so often that it's not uncommon for them to bring a new girl home every week or two. And they do this for years -- so by their 30s, they get quite good at it.

If you live in a rural area, then it's probably something you won't really see too often. In areas without many people, girls generally get knocked up and married pretty young (teens and early 20s), and you basically don't really see much of them anymore. But there are so many people in bigger cities that it's quite common to have guys in their 20s and 30s regularly going out to bars to meet women. And from my experience, the guys in their 30s are MUCH better at picking up women than the guys in their 20s. Looks play a very small role vs. a guy who just has so much experience bedding women that it shows in the way he carries himself. That's not to say he doesn't dress for the occasion or groom himself, but women are quite attracted to guys who appear to have a lot of experience.

Again, it's only something you really see if you actually experience a lot of nightlife. There are definitely more 20-somethings in every bar or club, but I always notice it's the few older guys there who seem to be consistently having successful interactions with women of all ages.

EDIT: Tinder is just another online dating application, and it's even MORE heavily dependent on looks than even OkCupid or PoF. So the only way to change your perception is to go out to bars and clubs and observe the older guys there who are approaching women. You'll just notice that many of them seem to make a woman feel much more relaxed and intrigued than most of the younger guys who are either (A) too afraid to approach or (B) come in trying to impress them with some kind of high energy (usually whacky) opener.

- Franco

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I don't know about that Franco, most bars I go to have a high male to female ratio and end up looking like complete sausage fests compared to bars in college towns which are the other way around.

As for looks, I have seen that in recent years they have started to matter a lot more. Women care more about looks now than they used to decades back because they have no reason to look for a provider or anything, a lot of women are financially dependent these days. I see a lot of jacked frat boy types on college campuses and in the real world with hot girls from my own two eyes. Now fortunately, men can do a lot to improve their looks and being above average looking is not hard at all.

At least among the younger crowd of women (18-23), I have seen that looks are near the top of the ladder for them, they want the jacked or ripped guy who is charismatic over the average looking rich guy who happens to be older.

 

[Franco]

Proactivity,

At least among the younger crowd of women (18-23), I have seen that looks are near the top of the ladder for them, they want the jacked or ripped guy who is charismatic over the average looking rich guy who happens to be older.

Yeah, in that age, sure.

What the trend has really been is that girls now know they have more sexual freedom to play the field to find how exactly what their value is on the sexual marketplace. So when you're in the range of 18-23, naturally you're gonna go for the sexiest looking guys most often first, and then work your way down. So what happens is girls sleep with a LOT of good-looking guys in that age range hoping to find "the one," but of course, a lot of the guys who are sleeping with girls in that age range aren't looking to settle down with most of them. That age range is generally a double-edged sword for most girls: they sleep with lots of guys who are of much higher value than themselves only to find out that the guys don't want them for anything more than casual sex, and they end up with lots of heartbreaks.

How long this lasts really depends on the girl, but you can find absolutely gorgeous girls in the 24-28 range who have been through the "evaluate my sexual marketplace" phase and tend to be looking for more than just looks at that point. Although it may not seem like it when you're scouring the 18-23 range, those girls are STILL looking for providers -- they just start at the top of the ladder with the guys they HOPE will provide from them but likely will not. Occasionally the most attractive of girls will settle down in that range with very attractive guys, but that mostly has to do with the guy thinking he won't be able to find a girl as good-looking as her rather than the girl knowing how to pin down the right guy.

I've preached it before on the boards, but from my experience, some of the best girls to take into relationships are in the range of 24-28. At that age, they still can often be extremely gorgeous (and youthful) while not being overly critical of your actual physical features. That's not to say that you shouldn't work out or improve whatever physical features you can, but you'll find that the "frat boy" approach is far less effective in that range because the girls have an attitude of "been there, done that, not doing it again."

So looks have improved appeal in the very young age range of 18-23, but you won't really find many keepers in that range considering the girls are usually quite immature and still finding their personal preferences and identity at that age range. And even then, solid fundamentals and an understanding of social dynamics will still get you lays with girls in the 18-23 range at ANY age, especially with day game.

- Franco

 

[NarrowJ]

These statistical norms are exactly the type of thing that you can throw completely out the window when you get more skilled with women.

I'm 35 and I can walk around the mall, the park, any street here in the city and pick up, go out on dates with, and fuck 18 year olds just like I can 30 year olds. Age doesn't really matter if you can't see the exact number staring you in the face. Most women guess my age around 25-28. Where online, it's one of the first things you see.


J.J.

 

[Franco]

These statistical norms are exactly the type of thing that you can throw completely out the window when you get more skilled with women.

Just echoing what NJ said here. Going off of what you "see" isn't a good representation of what's possible. MOST guys do not focus on improving themselves the way we encourage guys to do here. There's a whole echelon of skill that is almost completely invisible to the naked eye simply because there are so FEW guys capable of pulling off what they do. And it has nothing to do with their looks and everything to do with the way they direct their focus toward learning to improve with women. And many of those guys are in their 30s and above.

- Franco

 

[D'EmpEroR]

''What the trend has really been is that girls now know they have more sexual freedom to play the field to find how exactly what their value is on the sexual marketplace. So when you're in the range of 18-23, naturally you're gonna go for the sexiest looking guys most often first, and then work your way down. So what happens is girls sleep with a LOT of good-looking guys in that age range hoping to find "the one," but of course, a lot of the guys who are sleeping with girls in that age range aren't looking to settle down with most of them. That age range is generally a double-edged sword for most girls: they sleep with lots of guys who are of much higher value than themselves only to find out that the guys don't want them for anything more than casual sex, and they end up with lots of heartbreaks.

How long this lasts really depends on the girl, but you can find absolutely gorgeous girls in the 24-28 range who have been through the "evaluate my sexual marketplace" phase and tend to be looking for more than just looks at that point. Although it may not seem like it when you're scouring the 18-23 range, those girls are STILL looking for providers -- they just start at the top of the ladder with the guys they HOPE will provide from them but likely will not. Occasionally the most attractive of girls will settle down in that range with very attractive guys, but that mostly has to do with the guy thinking he won't be able to find a girl as good-looking as her rather than the girl knowing how to pin down the right guy.

I've preached it before on the boards, but from my experience, some of the best girls to take into relationships are in the range of 24-28. At that age, they still can often be extremely gorgeous (and youthful) while not being overly critical of your actual physical features. That's not to say that you shouldn't work out or improve whatever physical features you can, but you'll find that the "frat boy" approach is far less effective in that range because the girls have an attitude of "been there, done that, not doing it again."

So looks have improved appeal in the very young age range of 18-23, but you won't really find many keepers in that range considering the girls are usually quite immature and still finding their personal preferences and identity at that age range. And even then, solid fundamentals and an understanding of social dynamics will still get you lays with girls in the 18-23 range, especially with day game.''

I've noticed that also. I totally agree with you! If you observe it further, you'd realise that that's the age girls mainly had problems with their parents/families, thinking they are not on their side or not loved (Because that's when they start facing challenges about life). But between 24 and above, they start realising their wrong views about life and maturity start setting in. So... I agree with you Franco.

 

[Nova]

proactivity creepily lurking in the background gripping his beer with frustration as he jealousy spectates the prime alpha male jacked 25 year old frat boy groping all of his precious sorority girls

oh but on topic, truth is you can fuck college chicks at any age if you know what your doing, there is no prime age. as franco said though, i would expect a truly experienced 30/40 something who genuinely does understand women to do better than your average early-mid twenties jersey shore wannabe though for sure.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

In that case, I agree with you Franco but I guess it is all a matter of what you want. For me, I want to sleep with college girls and sorority types in the 19-22 age range. I am more about casual sex and sleeping around than LTRs at the given moment but I do agree with you when you say that girls after a certain age start to prefer more of the provider types. Kind of like what Good Looking Loser said on his blog, young girls want hot guys while as they get older they want hot and cool guys.

What I will say though is that a lot of younger guys do have more options than they give themselves credit for, I have known guys who were 19 and 20 that managed to sleep with women that were considered milfs and sleep around with sorority girls in college. IMO, what happens is that guys who figure it out FAST benefit the most which is why I envy a lot of these younger guys who come on GC while they are in high school because the knowledge they learn here will give them so many options. A young guy with his shit together (looks as in being in great shape + charm) has a lot more opportunities than a late bloomer who is past his mid 20s. The young guy can sleep with a hot sorority girl and even get himself a milf while the older guy is limited to women past college age.

There is just nothing as fulfilling as sleeping with a hot college girl, maybe it's because I never really had a chance to live out my college experience (but am going back for grad school so we'll see how that goes). Franco, where I feel that you are right is when you say the age range for getting into relationships. IMO, as you get older as a guy, it becomes much easier to find girls who want LTRs and quality girls at that. When you are younger though, it is a lot easier to find ONS and casual sex. I prefer the latter as a guy in his mid 20s.

Lol @ Nova still following me to my threads because I called him out on his shitty posting in the past, let go of the grudge you spineless bitch.

 

[Franco]

Pro,

What I will say though is that a lot of younger guys do have more options than they give themselves credit for, I have known guys who were 19 and 20 that managed to sleep with women that were considered milfs and sleep around with sorority girls in college. IMO, what happens is that guys who figure it out FAST benefit the most which is why I envy a lot of these younger guys who come on GC while they are in high school because the knowledge they learn here will give them so many options. A young guy with his shit together (looks as in being in great shape + charm) has a lot more opportunities than a late bloomer who is past his mid 20s. The young guy can sleep with a hot sorority girl and even get himself a milf while the older guy is limited to women past college age.

There is just nothing as fulfilling as sleeping with a hot college girl, maybe it's because I never really had a chance to live out my college experience (but am going back for grad school so we'll see how that goes).

If your main target is specifically sorority girls, then yeah, obviously you are going to have a much easier time if you actually go to college with these girls. But it has very little to do with anything else other than your exposure levels to them, and that's really about it. You're constantly able to put yourself into situations where you can sleep with these girls, and then from there it's just a matter of knowing what to do to sleep with them.

I also wanted to draw the distinction here that "young, college girls in the age of 18-21" does not necessarily represent the "hottest" or the most "desirable" of the female population. A lot of attractive women exist outside of Greek life, and I personally find the hottest girls to be in their mid-20s (with fully developed bodies, and often much more curvy with bigger bust and ass size). Some sorority girls are pretty well developed in college, but I've been to enough adult pool parties during San Diego summers to know that they are nothing like some of the bodies I'll see at these events. But anyway, it's all preference -- especially if you're just into the general personality that sorority girls give off as opposed to the more experienced women (and often girls who WERE in sororities but are now living out their professional lives). I think I definitely had a phase where I preferred sorority girls, and it's probably why I joined a fraternity, but I'm relatively over the "craze" for them now and I generally find their personalities and looks to be underdeveloped for my current tastes.

But anyway, the distinction here is just the availability of these college girls to college guys. They are always going to be more available to them, but a very competent seducer in his 30s (such as NarrowJ) could easily meet one of these sorority types at the mall and take them home. He may not have an abundance of them available at any given time, but there are always beautiful women who are ripe for the picking if you go out and find them. =)

- Franco

 

[Flames]

I'm in my late 30's now and the most interest seem to come from early to mid 20's. I still can't figure why that is but those statistics seem way way out to me.

I never did care that much about age though.

 

[PinotNoir]

Just adding in my 2 cents.

In my opinion and experience, guys do get sexier to women with age. Of course, there's a tipping point when the age is too old and starts to slide back down to unattractive, but I'm not sure when this tipping point is, maybe close to 60. I think it's because:

1.) People stereotype age to equal experience. So they think the man is more experienced (in the bedroom, with relationships, with life, etc.), so she thinks that he can satisfy her needs better. Of course, I do not believe age = experience, but that is the stereotype and is probably true 60% or so of the time (more than 50%).
2.) Women see younger men as party animals and confused/indecisive about life (e.g., what job will I do?) and unstable. This can hurt the older man and put him as a provider, but it's usually more of a pro (especially if the older man can get quick sex and make the girl think that without sex he'll just move on to the next younger woman, and then she's the one trying to tie him down to a relationship and change him).
3.) The older man has set more into his own personal style and is confident. The men that I see that continue to improve and progress themselves as they age have the best wardrobe/style and ooze confidence without saying a word (and without being cocky).
0.) This is 0, just as an aside, but some women do have a daddy complex; it's not just fiction.

When you're young, you think all of the older men get the women.

When you're old, you think all of the younger men get the women.



P.S., Nova, that picture is hilarious, and I want that Asian girl, dayum, damn, damn.....

 

[Amadeaus]

This graph makes sense for Tinder. There is a pretty decent change that early 20's girls could have their age range set to screen out dudes above X age. Given the age distribution, a guy in his 30s could be getting swiped left/rejected way less than it seems.

So, as PinotNoir suggested that there could be an age tipping point... This graph shows a tipping point around 29 for online dating. I would say its probably more like 26/27 for Tinder.

At least Tinder doesn't have a setting for height.

 

[Tim Iron]

I actually feel bad for the guy in this picture because I have been in this situation several times.

proactivity creepily lurking in the background gripping his beer with frustration as he jealousy spectates the prime alpha male jacked 25 year old frat boy groping all of his precious sorority girls

oh but on topic, truth is you can fuck college chicks at any age if you know what your doing, there is no prime age. as franco said though, i would expect a truly experienced 30/40 something who genuinely does understand women to do better than your average early-mid twenties jersey shore wannabe though for sure.