3 December 2016: Saigon, Vietnam
I matched with 28 year old May on VietnameseCupid. I was texting her at the airport on my way to Saigon, and asked if she wanted to meet that night just 2 hours later. She agreed enthusiatically. I think she was pretty into me right off the bat.
I checked into my hostel, and she met me there at 9pm. She was wearing a light Adidas jacket, over a long thin dress. I wouldn't describe her face as pretty conventionally, but she was cute. She stood at around 5'3 and had long hair. She was mounted on her motorbike outside the entrance. We introduced and I clasped her hand. I used to always go in for a cheek-cheek kiss during introductions, but I think a hand clasp works better and more naturally for me. I suggested having food because I hadn't eaten yet. She drove me to a nearby restaurant that she frequented at.
She ended up ordering food for me, her rationale being that she wanted me to try out something different that I'd never tried before. She ended up ordering interesting bright multi-coloured noodles and spring rolls for me. It was a lot of food. She had already eaten, so I was left to eat by myself whilst she sipped on her tea.
I deep dived her about a bunch of stuff. She wasn't currently working. She was waiting till after the New Year to start working again in the family business. I deep dived her bit about her travels. I laid down a chase frame, asking her what she liked to do other than meeting up with handsome guys for food. Turns out she wasn't all the interesting, so I found it difficult to qualify her, although I did mention that I liked girls who cooked. She cooked for her family everyday. The conversation at dinner was pretty ordinary and nothing amazing. It was hard to connect because she was not a great conversationalist, and there was a marked language barrier. I paid the bill.
We went for a ride along one of the busy streets lined with many clubs and bars. We walked through the street, not saying a lot because of the language barrier and because it was so noisy. It was my first time experiencing the crazed busyness of Friday night in Saigon. At one instance she kinda grabbed onto my arm so it was easier to navigate through the street with motorbikes frequently zooming past. I used this opportunity to seamlessly hold her hand. It felt very natural. I think I'll try to make my hand holding more seamless in the future.
I decided that we would go to a quieter area, because it was difficult to move the interaction forwards because of the noise and crowdedness. We ended up walking to a dimly lit park where it was quiet and secluded. Perfect.
We sat down on a bench, and I looped my arm around hers and grabbed onto her hand. "You like to hold hands?" she asked. I don't remember how I responded, but it was something along the lines saying it felt good to hold hands. We talked about a bunch of stuff which I don't remember, but the vibe was intimate. This was because of the close proximity and atmosphere of the park. She mentioned that she practiced pole dancing which I qualified her for. I pulled her arm into me a couple so that she was leaning on me and with her face close to mine. She was really feisty as well. She kept slapping my arm, whenever I was being playful and a little cheeky. At one point she bit me on the arm pretty hard for no apparent reason too. It was strange.
At one point I went for the kiss. But I was met by a cheek. I framed the rejection in a helpful way - something that I've been doing a lot recently. I told her that she turned her cheek because she was shy and told her that I thought it was cute that she was shy. This way, I still came up on top despite having been rejected. We continued to talk and when the vibe was intimate and warm again, I leaned in to kiss her again, which was met with yet another turned cheek. I tried this again a little on down the track, and was rejected again. Because of my playful vibe and how I framed the rejection, it did not phase me. At one point, she got a call from her sister who asked her to come home to cook for her.
Eventually I went in for a kiss again. It was kinda spontaneous, and I quickly pecked her lips and pulled back. The conversation continued seamlessly. When I kissed her again later, I went in slowly. I lip locked with her 4 times, and it got her really worked up.
She started to moan heavily and she started to tongue the hell out of my mouth. She moved her hands to my cock and rubbed it about 10 seconds in. She moved my hand to grope her boob, and I slipped my hand underneath to lightly pinch her enormous, perky nipples. More making out ensued, and she mentioned she wanted to feel my cock. I was wearing a money belt so she couldn't properly grope it, so I took off my money belt and secured it in my bag, and we continued to make out.
At one point, I got out my windbreaker to cover my lap and she used her jacket to cover hers, so we could fondle each other away a little bit more discreetly. I moved my hands down to her pussy and rubbed. Her panties were getting quite wet. I then slipped my fingers underneath her panties and fingered her. She moaned loudly and was getting extremely aroused. She wanted to feel my cock, so I unzipped my jeans, and whipped it out. She jacked me off under my jacket.
We had to pause and restart the fingering and jacking off a couple of times, because in a couple of instances there were people walking by.
At one point, I figured I'd pull. I told her that we should go back to my place. She however rejected and said she needed to go back home to buy vegetables for her sister. 'What the actual fuck?' I thought to myself. I told her that buying vegetables for her sister could wait, and she should come back with me. I was being super honest and upfront with my intentions as well. I told her that I wanted her and I wanted to lick her pussy and fuck her. (Should I have been this honest?) I also tried being super dominant and assertive as well. "Okay May, here's what we're going to do. We're gonna get up and walk to your motorbike. You're gonna drive us to my hostel, and I'm gonna fuck the shit of you." She seemed to enjoy my dominance and commands, but she held strong to her frame. She had to buy vegetables for her sister apparently. I also tried to pull to hers, but she declined. She instead said, "No let's just do it here!"
We continued to make out and she had her hand gripped onto my cock. I wasn't keen on public sex because there were people passing by every 2 minutes or so. Eventually I got her so worked up that she climbed on my lap and I had my cock rubbing her pussy through her dress. I thought, 'Fuck it, life is too short to be a prude.' She asked me to fuck her now. I told her that I was gonna get a condom, but she didn't seem keen. When I pulled down my pants to expose my ass, she sat down next to me and changed her mind. I don't exactly remember why, but I think she was anxious about people watching.
I fingered her some more, and tried to pull her multiple times but no dice. She instead kept saying, "Not tonight, tomorrow night." But I thought that she was just saying it for the sake of it. I didn't expect to see her again, because of the failed escalation. We walked back to her bike, not saying much. But the vibe was still warm and sensual. She dropped me off at the hostel and I wished her a goodnight.
I messaged her a good wishes text that night, but her response didn't seem so enthusiatic. I didn't expect to see her again.
5 December:
I sent her a message 2 days after our first meet, to gauge her reaction. I told her I wanted to see her again. It wasn't hard to get her out. She was keen to see me too. She pretty much told me that she would meet right at my hostel and asked if she could shower then after pole dancing class.
I needed to eat though to maintain my weight, so I suggested going out for dinner. I didn't want to have to put in extra steps into the seduction, but whatever. The dinner conversation was pretty boring and dull. I felt like we covered a lot of topics on our first date, and the language barrier and lack of physical contact over dinner made the connection lack warmth. She asked me what I did today. I told her that I explored the city. She asked if I explored it with another girl. It was clear she thought that I was a player, and I got that feeling from her yesterday as well. I tried to boost up my attainability throughout dinner and try to qualify her, but it was tough to keep up the vibe tbroughout dinner. She asked me where I wanted to go after dinner and I pulled, saying it was quieter and cooler in my room. We split the bill. We squeezed past the receptionist, who ended up catching notice of us, but he was already tending to another guest at the time.
May went to take a shower, and the receptionist came up demanding for her ID. I told him I'd give it to him after her shower. She finished her shower and I dropped off her ID. She then got me to read a couple of English sentences on a piece of paper to hear my pronunciation. She was learning English. After I read the page, she attempted to read it. I then told her that we were going to watch TV. I switched off the light, and lay in the bed. The TV was at a right angle to the bed, so it was perfect to watch lying down on the side. I told her to join me and pulled her into me and I spooned her. She was wearing shorts and crop top so I grabbed her stomach. We had not kissed yet, so the sexual tension was through the roof.
She rubbed her ass against my cock, and I ran my hands around her stomach. She started to moan and wriggled her ass into me some more. I slid my hands under her shorts and rubbed her pussy. When I slipped my hand underneath her panties, she resisted. I then told her to turn around and face me. I kissed her passionately, and our clothes came off extremely quickly. We were fully naked within a minute. She had big boobs with extremely scrumptious nipples. They were just so full and juicy. They were a pleasure to suck. Her pussy was clean shaved.
I moved my face to her pussy and breathed at it and sniffed it, but I did not lick it. Having my face up near her cooch drove her nuts. She squirmed, moaned and swivelled around her pelvis, and I wasn't even touching her yet. I moved my face up to hers.
I fucked her missionary, then cowboy, doggy, and missionary again for around half an hour. She was moaning extremely loudly, and the receptionist definitely would've been able to hear it 3 floors down. I didn't want to stir any trouble, so I had to stopped at some points to get her to be quieter.
I was also experimenting with being dominant in bed. I used my fingers to hook her mouth. I sucked her lips and tongue in a dominant way. I asked her if she enjoyed my cock in her pussy. She moaned, "Yes, I love your dick so much. You fuck good baby." I told her to tell me how much she fucking loved my dick in her pussy. I experimented with throwing her body around in bed and making animalistic growling noises. She loved all of it.
I couldn't make her cum which was a shame. These days, I find it hard to make a girl cum during sex. It's something I'm working on. I ended up cumming in her pussy by drilling her from behind as she laid on her stomach. She wanted me to fuck her raw for round 2, but I wasn't going to risk it.
She revealed to me that she rejected my kiss a couple of times on the first date because she was shy. I also learned that she was cooking for her sister who recently had a baby, which kind of explained why she didn't come home with me the other night.
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Finishing thoughts:
I thought that my fundamentals throughout the date was really good. The topic of age came up a few instances, and it never seemed to be a problem. I told her I liked older girls. Throughout the 2 dates I was leading strongly and was dominant and demanded compliance by telling her to do things for me and pulling her into me. My physical escalation on the first date seemed smooth and natural, especially with the hand holding. Usually when I hold a girl's hand for the first time, it takes a while for her to warm up to me. But in this instance, it was immediately mutually comfortable and natural. This is something I will aim to replicate in the future. My persistence with pulling was also good. I included honesty and strong leadership which I thought was good. (But I'd like your opinions with this one!)
I originally thought that her refusing to come home with me was a result of kissing her in at the park rather than in a seduction location. I thought that that was the reason why she refused to come home with me. But seeing as how she readily agreed to see me again, and even told me that she'd come straight to my hotel for a second date, I no longer believe that the rejection of my pull was due to her anti-slut defense or because I was jumping the gun with physical escalation. I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Maybe she really did just want to buy vegetables and cook for her sister!
In either case, I don't think it's a good idea to kiss a girl before being in a seduction location if she's already warmed up to me. I think kissing a girl and escalating in a non-private location has its merits, because physical escalation builds comfort. But in May's case, I think she was already warmed up and ready to be pulled. Part of the reason I didn't pull was because of hesistation due to fear of being caught out by the receptionist.
My experience with May was a great learning one. I'm really starting to cultivate a bad boy vibe, and sharpening my dominance and edge.
Peace out dudes.
Jeffrey
I matched with 28 year old May on VietnameseCupid. I was texting her at the airport on my way to Saigon, and asked if she wanted to meet that night just 2 hours later. She agreed enthusiatically. I think she was pretty into me right off the bat.
I checked into my hostel, and she met me there at 9pm. She was wearing a light Adidas jacket, over a long thin dress. I wouldn't describe her face as pretty conventionally, but she was cute. She stood at around 5'3 and had long hair. She was mounted on her motorbike outside the entrance. We introduced and I clasped her hand. I used to always go in for a cheek-cheek kiss during introductions, but I think a hand clasp works better and more naturally for me. I suggested having food because I hadn't eaten yet. She drove me to a nearby restaurant that she frequented at.
She ended up ordering food for me, her rationale being that she wanted me to try out something different that I'd never tried before. She ended up ordering interesting bright multi-coloured noodles and spring rolls for me. It was a lot of food. She had already eaten, so I was left to eat by myself whilst she sipped on her tea.
I deep dived her about a bunch of stuff. She wasn't currently working. She was waiting till after the New Year to start working again in the family business. I deep dived her bit about her travels. I laid down a chase frame, asking her what she liked to do other than meeting up with handsome guys for food. Turns out she wasn't all the interesting, so I found it difficult to qualify her, although I did mention that I liked girls who cooked. She cooked for her family everyday. The conversation at dinner was pretty ordinary and nothing amazing. It was hard to connect because she was not a great conversationalist, and there was a marked language barrier. I paid the bill.
We went for a ride along one of the busy streets lined with many clubs and bars. We walked through the street, not saying a lot because of the language barrier and because it was so noisy. It was my first time experiencing the crazed busyness of Friday night in Saigon. At one instance she kinda grabbed onto my arm so it was easier to navigate through the street with motorbikes frequently zooming past. I used this opportunity to seamlessly hold her hand. It felt very natural. I think I'll try to make my hand holding more seamless in the future.
I decided that we would go to a quieter area, because it was difficult to move the interaction forwards because of the noise and crowdedness. We ended up walking to a dimly lit park where it was quiet and secluded. Perfect.
We sat down on a bench, and I looped my arm around hers and grabbed onto her hand. "You like to hold hands?" she asked. I don't remember how I responded, but it was something along the lines saying it felt good to hold hands. We talked about a bunch of stuff which I don't remember, but the vibe was intimate. This was because of the close proximity and atmosphere of the park. She mentioned that she practiced pole dancing which I qualified her for. I pulled her arm into me a couple so that she was leaning on me and with her face close to mine. She was really feisty as well. She kept slapping my arm, whenever I was being playful and a little cheeky. At one point she bit me on the arm pretty hard for no apparent reason too. It was strange.
At one point I went for the kiss. But I was met by a cheek. I framed the rejection in a helpful way - something that I've been doing a lot recently. I told her that she turned her cheek because she was shy and told her that I thought it was cute that she was shy. This way, I still came up on top despite having been rejected. We continued to talk and when the vibe was intimate and warm again, I leaned in to kiss her again, which was met with yet another turned cheek. I tried this again a little on down the track, and was rejected again. Because of my playful vibe and how I framed the rejection, it did not phase me. At one point, she got a call from her sister who asked her to come home to cook for her.
Eventually I went in for a kiss again. It was kinda spontaneous, and I quickly pecked her lips and pulled back. The conversation continued seamlessly. When I kissed her again later, I went in slowly. I lip locked with her 4 times, and it got her really worked up.
She started to moan heavily and she started to tongue the hell out of my mouth. She moved her hands to my cock and rubbed it about 10 seconds in. She moved my hand to grope her boob, and I slipped my hand underneath to lightly pinch her enormous, perky nipples. More making out ensued, and she mentioned she wanted to feel my cock. I was wearing a money belt so she couldn't properly grope it, so I took off my money belt and secured it in my bag, and we continued to make out.
At one point, I got out my windbreaker to cover my lap and she used her jacket to cover hers, so we could fondle each other away a little bit more discreetly. I moved my hands down to her pussy and rubbed. Her panties were getting quite wet. I then slipped my fingers underneath her panties and fingered her. She moaned loudly and was getting extremely aroused. She wanted to feel my cock, so I unzipped my jeans, and whipped it out. She jacked me off under my jacket.
We had to pause and restart the fingering and jacking off a couple of times, because in a couple of instances there were people walking by.
At one point, I figured I'd pull. I told her that we should go back to my place. She however rejected and said she needed to go back home to buy vegetables for her sister. 'What the actual fuck?' I thought to myself. I told her that buying vegetables for her sister could wait, and she should come back with me. I was being super honest and upfront with my intentions as well. I told her that I wanted her and I wanted to lick her pussy and fuck her. (Should I have been this honest?) I also tried being super dominant and assertive as well. "Okay May, here's what we're going to do. We're gonna get up and walk to your motorbike. You're gonna drive us to my hostel, and I'm gonna fuck the shit of you." She seemed to enjoy my dominance and commands, but she held strong to her frame. She had to buy vegetables for her sister apparently. I also tried to pull to hers, but she declined. She instead said, "No let's just do it here!"
We continued to make out and she had her hand gripped onto my cock. I wasn't keen on public sex because there were people passing by every 2 minutes or so. Eventually I got her so worked up that she climbed on my lap and I had my cock rubbing her pussy through her dress. I thought, 'Fuck it, life is too short to be a prude.' She asked me to fuck her now. I told her that I was gonna get a condom, but she didn't seem keen. When I pulled down my pants to expose my ass, she sat down next to me and changed her mind. I don't exactly remember why, but I think she was anxious about people watching.
I fingered her some more, and tried to pull her multiple times but no dice. She instead kept saying, "Not tonight, tomorrow night." But I thought that she was just saying it for the sake of it. I didn't expect to see her again, because of the failed escalation. We walked back to her bike, not saying much. But the vibe was still warm and sensual. She dropped me off at the hostel and I wished her a goodnight.
I messaged her a good wishes text that night, but her response didn't seem so enthusiatic. I didn't expect to see her again.
5 December:
I sent her a message 2 days after our first meet, to gauge her reaction. I told her I wanted to see her again. It wasn't hard to get her out. She was keen to see me too. She pretty much told me that she would meet right at my hostel and asked if she could shower then after pole dancing class.
I needed to eat though to maintain my weight, so I suggested going out for dinner. I didn't want to have to put in extra steps into the seduction, but whatever. The dinner conversation was pretty boring and dull. I felt like we covered a lot of topics on our first date, and the language barrier and lack of physical contact over dinner made the connection lack warmth. She asked me what I did today. I told her that I explored the city. She asked if I explored it with another girl. It was clear she thought that I was a player, and I got that feeling from her yesterday as well. I tried to boost up my attainability throughout dinner and try to qualify her, but it was tough to keep up the vibe tbroughout dinner. She asked me where I wanted to go after dinner and I pulled, saying it was quieter and cooler in my room. We split the bill. We squeezed past the receptionist, who ended up catching notice of us, but he was already tending to another guest at the time.
May went to take a shower, and the receptionist came up demanding for her ID. I told him I'd give it to him after her shower. She finished her shower and I dropped off her ID. She then got me to read a couple of English sentences on a piece of paper to hear my pronunciation. She was learning English. After I read the page, she attempted to read it. I then told her that we were going to watch TV. I switched off the light, and lay in the bed. The TV was at a right angle to the bed, so it was perfect to watch lying down on the side. I told her to join me and pulled her into me and I spooned her. She was wearing shorts and crop top so I grabbed her stomach. We had not kissed yet, so the sexual tension was through the roof.
She rubbed her ass against my cock, and I ran my hands around her stomach. She started to moan and wriggled her ass into me some more. I slid my hands under her shorts and rubbed her pussy. When I slipped my hand underneath her panties, she resisted. I then told her to turn around and face me. I kissed her passionately, and our clothes came off extremely quickly. We were fully naked within a minute. She had big boobs with extremely scrumptious nipples. They were just so full and juicy. They were a pleasure to suck. Her pussy was clean shaved.
I moved my face to her pussy and breathed at it and sniffed it, but I did not lick it. Having my face up near her cooch drove her nuts. She squirmed, moaned and swivelled around her pelvis, and I wasn't even touching her yet. I moved my face up to hers.
I fucked her missionary, then cowboy, doggy, and missionary again for around half an hour. She was moaning extremely loudly, and the receptionist definitely would've been able to hear it 3 floors down. I didn't want to stir any trouble, so I had to stopped at some points to get her to be quieter.
I was also experimenting with being dominant in bed. I used my fingers to hook her mouth. I sucked her lips and tongue in a dominant way. I asked her if she enjoyed my cock in her pussy. She moaned, "Yes, I love your dick so much. You fuck good baby." I told her to tell me how much she fucking loved my dick in her pussy. I experimented with throwing her body around in bed and making animalistic growling noises. She loved all of it.
I couldn't make her cum which was a shame. These days, I find it hard to make a girl cum during sex. It's something I'm working on. I ended up cumming in her pussy by drilling her from behind as she laid on her stomach. She wanted me to fuck her raw for round 2, but I wasn't going to risk it.
She revealed to me that she rejected my kiss a couple of times on the first date because she was shy. I also learned that she was cooking for her sister who recently had a baby, which kind of explained why she didn't come home with me the other night.
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Finishing thoughts:
I thought that my fundamentals throughout the date was really good. The topic of age came up a few instances, and it never seemed to be a problem. I told her I liked older girls. Throughout the 2 dates I was leading strongly and was dominant and demanded compliance by telling her to do things for me and pulling her into me. My physical escalation on the first date seemed smooth and natural, especially with the hand holding. Usually when I hold a girl's hand for the first time, it takes a while for her to warm up to me. But in this instance, it was immediately mutually comfortable and natural. This is something I will aim to replicate in the future. My persistence with pulling was also good. I included honesty and strong leadership which I thought was good. (But I'd like your opinions with this one!)
I originally thought that her refusing to come home with me was a result of kissing her in at the park rather than in a seduction location. I thought that that was the reason why she refused to come home with me. But seeing as how she readily agreed to see me again, and even told me that she'd come straight to my hotel for a second date, I no longer believe that the rejection of my pull was due to her anti-slut defense or because I was jumping the gun with physical escalation. I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Maybe she really did just want to buy vegetables and cook for her sister!
In either case, I don't think it's a good idea to kiss a girl before being in a seduction location if she's already warmed up to me. I think kissing a girl and escalating in a non-private location has its merits, because physical escalation builds comfort. But in May's case, I think she was already warmed up and ready to be pulled. Part of the reason I didn't pull was because of hesistation due to fear of being caught out by the receptionist.
My experience with May was a great learning one. I'm really starting to cultivate a bad boy vibe, and sharpening my dominance and edge.
Peace out dudes.
Jeffrey
