Altair's journey, lets give it another go, help appreciated.

[Richard]

With the exception of my ex-girlfriend displaying psychopathic tendencies this is one of the most unintelligible and head-scratching things I've ever seen; I'm literally leaning back in my chair saying "I don't understand; it's really possible for people to be this victimzed and self-defeating, it's baffling."

Man, Altair, I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I'm not going to comment anymore but I'll check in every now and again to see how things are progressing with you. Godspeed homie.

 

[Seppuku]

Altair,

You are implying that you only want to take Chase or Franco's advice, but Richard and Grand Pooba are just equally qualified, and are also, by the way, regular contributors on Girls Chase main site.

They have a point. It is first, and foremost your mindset that will make a difference. Whatever you truly believe inside, reflects into your demeanor, and affects your life outside.

External process is 10-15% of game. Internal mindsets are 85-90% of game, and ultimately it's the only thing women care about and test for ruthlessly, including your beloved blonde bombshells. Fix the internal stuff, and the external part will flow.

What this means is, if you approach a girl with the inner genuine conviction that you can be fucking her in the next hour or so, then you stand a good chance of achieving this. On the contrary, if you approach a girl with the inner genuine conviction that she doesn't like you for xxx reason and therefore the case is hopeless, then you stand no chance of success.

Your own inner conviction that such or such kind of girl have something against Arab type (or whatever variation of this) is a toxic belief. It kills your chances. Take this out of your mind. Until you fix this, there is no amount of game technique that will do the trick.

Grand Pooba in the States is scoring loads of girls and on his own account he has a middle eastern type. On these boards, Kalyan (that I have personally met) is Lebanese and looks 100pct middle east. He arrived in the States 4 months ago and he just scored his 4th girl. They succeed in the United States with their middle eastern type, because they believe they can succeed.

The middle eastern type (or any other) is not a fatality per se, even in the States. Your mindset matters much more. This is what Richard and Grand Pooba have tried to convey to you.

I understand that Richard and GP have their own plans for what they want out of my life and that conflicts with what I want out of my life.

Frankly no one here have a plan for you. What a selfish thought. It's up to you to decide what you want to do with your life, and none of us would care. But all of us wrote here because we genuinely wanted to help you. But if you continue to react the same way what will happen is we will just give up.

So please read all the comments here with an open mind and try to learn something from it.

Seppuku
PS. And to Franco's point, if your goal is hot blondes, then start with less hot girls, then work your way up.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

An update on the day

Went out today to get a walk around the city and right outside my apartment building I see this nice busty brunette with a tan, made my dick hard as a rock just looking at her and her build but I didn't stare. She was on the phone talking so I didn't approach.

Headed towards my usual evening walk and behind me was a cute blonde, wanted to approach her but she seemed to be on the phone too, either that or she didn't want me approaching her xD. I kept walking but looked back a couple of times until I headed one way while she headed another, confusing situation, need to know how to handle it.

Headed back towards a cafe but on the way ran into a blonde wearing a Seahawks hat walking her Golden Retriever, got the guts to talk to her.

Me: Hi I know its very late but nice job destroying the Broncos
Her: Well I don't play on the Seahawks but thanks haha
Me: Well you're a fan (awkward pause) have a great day!

She heads out smiling and I head out too.

Then headed back home as night came because I have work tomorrow (need to be in bed soon!). On the way I see this sexy brunette with a ponytail and glasses, so sexy that my dick is still hard thinking about her. I make eye contact but she doesn't make any back, so I keep moving instead of approaching her then and there, saw no IOIs.

Almost to my place but on the way I run into this tall redhead with a nice body and cute face, cross paths with her and make my approach:

Me: Nice weather outside right?
Her: (shakes her head while opening her mouth going "wtf is this dude doing talking to me?")

Then I head towards my place but as I enter the apartment I see a cute brunette with a tank top and a tan, had to talk to her.

Me: Hi I am new here and I just need your help for one second
Her: Ya sure okay! (smile)
Me: So when do they usually deliver mail at this place? I have a special package I am waiting on her
Her: Actually I am new here too so I don't know
Me: Cool where did you move here from?
Her: From Florida
Me: Nice, missing the beaches?
Her: Yes! OMG YES! Where are you from?
Me: Tennessee! The best state in the south!!!
Her: Uh ya! No!
Me: So how are you liking it here so far?
Her: Loving it, hey look I have to go! Have fun!

So longest convo I ever had through a cold approach but it's progress, then I came home.

Tomorrow is going to be busy from morning to night so I might not make any approaches.

A question though

How do I handle it when a hot girl is walking behind me and I want to talk to her?

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Franco:

Thanks man. I am not dead set on getting hot blondes, a brunette or redhead that is a 7 would do just fine. I'd also like it if you occasionally checked this thread, your wisdom means a great deal to me man.

Richard:

Thanks man, it would be best for both of us if you didn't comment on this thread, go out there and live your awesome life man!

To the rest about the whole mindset and inner confidence thing

Maybe getting laid won't make me into some enlightened man that sees the meaning of life but it is the main thing about this thread, keep it simple, get laid and worry about being the Dalai Lama later.

What I believe is the best path is this very path for me and I am hardset on it, I would strongly prefer it that way and strongly prefer that this "but but but mindset!" stuff not come up. Thanks!

Chase and Franco, I am doing my absolute best to be civil here.

 

[Seppuku]

Good luck to you.

 

[Raqimus]

They are saying it is a suppliment Altair, you don't have to stop approaching etc, but it would also be helpful to do inner game stuff too, ya know what I mean? You'll eventually get there.

 

[Grand Pooba]

Headed back towards a cafe but on the way ran into a blonde wearing a Seahawks hat walking her Golden Retriever, got the guts to talk to her.

Me: Hi I know its very late but nice job destroying the Broncos
Her: Well I don't play on the Seahawks but thanks haha
Me: Well you're a fan (awkward pause) have a great day!


She heads out smiling and I head out too.

Good job getting the guts to approach.
Opener was odd since she doesn't play on the team, but she was intrigued by it which means you had an in.
Couple different ways to move from her statement. One is sarcastic/funny "eh, maybe. With your figure, might make a good running back," then transition. Key for this to work is to be absolutely clear you're joking and you need rock solid fundamentals/facial expressions, so it's harder to pull off right. "Really, you don't play? I could have sworn.....*wink* hows your day so far?" The other simpler way is to just transition quickly. "How's your day so far?" Or "what's your name?" In your case i would do the latter and just transition.

Then I head towards my place but as I enter the apartment I see a cute brunette with a tank top and a tan, had to talk to her.

Me: Hi I am new here and I just need your help for one second
Her: Ya sure okay! (smile)
Me: So when do they usually deliver mail at this place? I have a special package I am waiting on her
Her: Actually I am new here too so I don't know
Me: Cool where did you move here from?
Her: From Florida
Me: Nice, missing the beaches?
Her: Yes! OMG YES! Where are you from?
Me: Tennessee! The best state in the south!!!
Her: Uh ya! No!
Me: So how are you liking it here so far?
Her: Loving it, hey look I have to go! Have fun!


So longest convo I ever had through a cold approach but it's progress, then I came home.

Good work on this one, seemed like it had potential. Now, feedback and corrections:

This one seems like possibly a fundamentals thing. How was your body position relative to hers? Were you leaning in? Was she looking at you, were you looking at her?

Im picturing you focused on her and excited in vibe, and her being kind of aloof and lower energy. Match the girl's vibe in the future.

Instead of saying "Tennessee! Best state in the south!" Which created separation between you two, you could say "Tenessee, ever been?" That way you engage her more and start talking about her. If she says she's​ from florida and you say you're from Tennessee and it's the best, how does that make her feel connected to you? In one sentence you said you're not alike and also that you're better than her in an unsexy way. I think maybe you wanted her to ask why it's the best state, but she wasn't invested enough yet for her to ask that.

The energy died between you two after you said Best State in the south, she said no (so you didn't engage her) and then you were flailing around with "how do you like it here so far?" Thus prompting her to exit.

 

[Smith]

That was a nice breakdown by Grand Pooba. I think the key for you is to calibrate when the girl is disengaging BECAUSE they could be disengaging either because you're too far out there (they don't relate to your joke) and in which case you need to dial it down a bit and relate a bit more or if they seem bored and in that case you need to amp it up with more teasing. It will depend on how her body language was at that time. If she looks tense, then dial it down. If she looks too relaxed, then time to amp it up. In this case, when you joked around and said Tenessee was the best state in the south (whether that's true or not doesn't matter), she couldn't relate to you, and if that's the case, I would dial it down a bit and said "oh I'm just kidding haha it's really not the best state in the south..so do you do any surfing....blah blah blah" and goes back to talking about the beach because she seemed quite excited about it when you brought it up. So overall, I think good interaction though. Keep it up. Just need to learn when a girl is disengaging and remember not to panic if a girl is disengaging. Just stay calm and focus on offering value, making sure the interaction is a win-win where she's also enjoying talking to you too.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Hi guys, so they let me off work early today and around like 2 PM or so, on a bright and sunny day, I did some approaches as I was walking around. I am going to ask you guys some questions toward the end of this, hopefully you help.

I walked around and on the way ran into this cute redhead, smiled and she smiled back.

Me: Hi there, do you know what they sell at that large grocery looking store?
Her: Oh it's a whole foods place
Me: Damn I love this neighborhood, eating well right around the block, are you from here?
Her: Yes, I moved here recently
Me: Cool, I moved here a couple months ago, where are you from?
Her: Arizona
Me: Nice state, a break from the miserable dry heat though right?
Her: Well its hot here too

Do not remember much after that but she was engaged, I was not aggressive enough, did not push for number close.

Then towards the end of the walk I see this blonde bombshell sitting on the bench, she was wearing a Denver Broncos shirt, had to approach, I just had to.

Me: Hi I just need your help for a few seconds, do you know of any good places to eat around here?
Her: Oh well, ya actually (she looked kinda shocked)
Me: Oh cool, so I moved here like a couple months ago, still getting used to this place
Her: Well ya there is that place and that place too
Me: Well thanks, so what's your name? I am Altair nice to meet you
Her: (tells me her name)

The answers were real short after that, thought she lost interest, but worth it approaching!

So some questions and some goals as well, but first for goals and I'd love feedback on this guys

Goals

1. Be more direct, call them cute or something to at least make my intentions clear instead of beating around the bush but I am scared that it might be too taboo or not so okay?

2. Try to get a number close this week.

Questions

1. I know Richard offered a good opener but any other good ones you guys might have? I am all ears.

2. How do I approach situations where a hot girl is on the other side of the street or well behind me? Do I go out of my way to approach them?

Thanks GC!

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

One other thing going out and approaching has taught me is that my tastes vary. I've seen a couple of brunettes with nice tight bodies who I would have loved to carry home and fuck, they aroused me on the spot. The kinds of stuff I would have done to this one hot brunette wearing shorts that were covered in sweat, well I won't mention it because it would turn this thread into erotica but I am just saying, my tastes are opening up though they are primarily towards white girls, Middle Eastern girls, and Hispanic girls from what I am seeing being out.

I also want to mention that as I was getting coffee today and waiting for my coffee, a cute blonde stood over my shoulder but I was too big of a pussy to open, opportunity presented itself and I didn't take it!

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

One other thing guys, I got 4 new tinder matches!!! Woot woot!

I checked my bumble account and only 2 messages so far, both girls fat and ugly, that app is killing me!

 

[ProblemSolving]

Me: Hi there, do you know what they sell at that large grocery looking store?
Her: Oh it's a whole foods place
Me: Damn I love this neighborhood, eating well right around the block, are you from here?
Her: Yes, I moved here recently
Me: Cool, I moved here a couple months ago, where are you from?
Her: Arizona
Me: Nice state, a break from the miserable dry heat though right?
Her: Well its hot here too

Nice, you just have to get to the point now

You: What's your name by the way?
Her: She says her her name
You: I'm Altair (Shake hands). Well (Name) would you like to grab drinks or frozen yogurt sometime?

Done. If she's in she'll say yes, so grab the number. If not, she'll make an excuse, so you tell her it was nice meeting her and move along.

1. I know Richard offered a good opener but any other good ones you guys might have? I am all ears.

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There's nothing wrong with your openers. The purpose of an opener is to start a conversation and you did that, you just need to introduce yourself and ask her out.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Guys I just matched with this super cute brunette from Illinois on Tinder, checked the profile and it does not seem like a bot!

Problemsolving, do you think there is any way I can be more direct with my openers or maybe there are some go to openers? I mean closing and escalating has been destroying me but sometimes I have a tough time with just knowing what to say for an opener, I did manage to make it situation today but I was wondering how I can like make it more direct instead of beating around the bush.

 

[ProblemSolving]

Problemsolving, do you think there is any way I can be more direct with my openers or maybe there are some go to openers? I mean closing and escalating has been destroying me but sometimes I have a tough time with just knowing what to say for an opener, I did manage to make it situation today but I was wondering how I can like make it more direct instead of beating around the bush.

A good approach is one in which you start a conversation and ask her out. However you decide to go from point A to point B is completely up to you and will have little effect on your success. If you feel more comfortable talking to her before asking her out, do that. If you feel more comfortable stating your intentions immediately, do that. Just say something!

"Hey, what are you up to?"
"Hey, can I ask you a question? Are you single?"
"Hey, I thought you were attractive and wanted to see what you were like."
"Hey, where are you heading?"
"Hey, what's in the bag?"

Whatever makes you feel the most comfortable saying, say it. In time you will realize that your words barely matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Today was not such an active day for me, had a long work day and didn't get much sleep last night at all. I decided to say fuck it and go out anyways, ran into a couple of girls who were walking towards me. Both brunettes and relatively average looking.

I approach them

Me: Hi guys, how is your night going?
Brunette 1: Uh it's alright (as brunette 2 looks at her)

Do not remember the whole convo but they were not too interested, were giving short one word answers without asking me anything, so I bailed.

Did not see much else out tbh, it seemed somewhat more of a sausagefest as well as couples than anything.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Just thought I'd share some thoughts and breakthroughs I have had.

1. Ask questions but if they respond with short responses and don't ask you anything back, the convo is over, they are not interested, move on.

Eg:

"Hi where did you go to school?"

"Ohio St"

If they are not asking you anything back, there is no interest there and keep on moving. I feel like when they are smiling and asking me questions, the interest is actually there.

2. I need to seriously work on my closing skills, especially with girls that are interested, but have a tough time doing so because I don't want to come off as a sleaze either.

3. How do I approach girls I find hot but happen to be on the other side of the street or far away from where I am? Do I really run over and approach them?

 

[Smith]

Good job taking action man!

1. Ask questions but if they respond with short responses and don't ask you anything back, the convo is over, they are not interested, move on.

Eg:

"Hi where did you go to school?"

"Ohio St"

If they are not asking you anything back, there is no interest there and keep on moving. I feel like when they are smiling and asking me questions, the interest is actually there.

2. I need to seriously work on my closing skills, especially with girls that are interested, but have a tough time doing so because I don't want to come off as a sleaze either.

I've had that before. I don't think it necessary mean they're not interested. It's like when a stranger ask you where you go to school, you won't go into too much details about your life when you barely know them. It takes time to " open up " certain girls, but try to stay in there and keep up your vibe with offering value. Don't expect any reaction from these type of girls. I would focus more on warming them up first rather than actively trying to close. This is where the actual game is played

 

[Grand Pooba]

Good job taking action man!

1. Ask questions but if they respond with short responses and don't ask you anything back, the convo is over, they are not interested, move on.

Eg:

"Hi where did you go to school?"

"Ohio St"

If they are not asking you anything back, there is no interest there and keep on moving. I feel like when they are smiling and asking me questions, the interest is actually there.

2. I need to seriously work on my closing skills, especially with girls that are interested, but have a tough time doing so because I don't want to come off as a sleaze either.

I've had that before. I don't think it necessary mean they're not interested. It's like when a stranger ask you where you go to school, you won't go into too much details about your life when you barely know them. It takes time to " open up " certain girls, but try to stay in there and keep up your vibe with offering value. Don't expect any reaction from these type of girls. I would focus more on warming them up first rather than actively trying to close. This is where the actual game is played

I agree here. Girls ultimately also want to test your resolve and your frame (whuch is a reflection of your desire for her, which is what she really wants to know and FEEL especially in the face of her resistance). That's probably sounds complicated, haha, but what you should know in this moment of your journey is that the hook point is probably the most difficult to reach in the entire process - even more that the second most difficult point which is when she gets to your home and you're about to escalate to sex.

I know you want to learn closing, I'd suggest you hold off on that for now and first get comfortable with conversation, reaching the hook point, and moving a girl. You've reached the hook point when she goes from seeing you as a random stranger, to having intrigue and curiosity about you. Usually she will start asking you questions or her body language will become more receptive.

After familiarizing yourself with those you can move on to either bouncing to a new place, or getting her number.

One thjng I'll note also - in your interactions start introducing yourself or asking for her name. This happens usually right around the hook point, or if you go with a direct opener it's right after the opener.

Final note: i see you wrote "hi guys" as an opener to one of the girls. Instead, just say "hey girls, how's your night so far?" Use girls, not guys.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So early Saturday afternoon I went on to do some minor shopping at a store, run into this cute blue eyed blonde and decide to walk up to her. Ask her where something is, she tells me, tells me she gets lost looking for shit too, and then I tell her my name, she tells me hers and tells me she is married. Well that is a clear hint.

Go up to another woman I run into at the store, tall leggy brunette. Ask her the same question, I definitely need a better opener, she tells me where it is and right as I am about to walk she keeps talking. I look back at her, smile, nod, and then walk away....

WTF..

It's like the rejection from the blonde lingered and while the brunette gave a CLEAR IOI to keep talking, I walked because I was not over it, need to deal with recovering from rejection a lot better now.

It's Sunday and later on in the night I am heading to Trader Joes to go grocery shopping for the week, need all the help I can get until then guys! Hope some of you respond!

Main things:

1. Good openers to use.

2. Goal is to get my first number close.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Stepped into the Trader Joes, initially was kind of a let down, not a lot of hot girls there so I went about my business. Ran into this one brunette milf and wanted to talk but didn't talk, bleh! Later on towards the end saw her with her husband who was a Samoan looking guy so I guess ethnic men can score lol!

Went through and passed by a brunette milf with curly hair who yelled "oh come on!". I looked back a bit shocked and amazed, she looked back smiling, but then said they are out of some protein bars. I tell her I have addictions too and it can suck lol. Think I noticed her leaning in too but I was far away, once again, dammit!

But fucking shit I left that fucking interaction too early, I need to stop doing that!!!!

Later on ran into this one chick with a nice tight body and cute face, she was buying fruit and I told her I am going to look too to see what kind of a price they have. She said "you're good you're good" in a way to let me know all was good.

Time passes by fast so I go over to the check out line, same brunette is in front, talk to her.

Me: Nutella is so legit of a snack
Her: Oh my god like I know right!
Me: Yes, I am trying to cut for beach time so I cannot have it but that is such a guilty pleasure
Her: Well you look okay you can get one
Me: You're so sweet, so hows your day going?
Her: So good, I went over to talk to my mom today because its mothers day
Me: I have to wish mines a happy mothers day! Thanks for reminding me
Her: Oh no problem! (smiling)

Then it was her turn to check out and we stopped talking.

So no luck today and it seemed to lack attractive women today as well, might have to try for another week. Until then I might head out tomorrow if I get the chance and go more direct with an approach, really need a number close soon.