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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hey guys.

So a while back I got a text message from a girl, let us assume she is named Ashley.

She texts me saying that I should come over and share my movies with her. I ask her the time and we agree on it. I have to meet up with another girl on the same night, so I figure that I’ll just try my luck with both girls and see where it leads me. I took a while because I showered first as I was nervous since I couldn’t put on any deodorant on because my armpits keep paining when I do that (though they're fine today for some reason).

Anyways, I get there and we chill. She asks random questions, I ask random questions, it felt pretty good. I made some incidental touches as I was there. We also spoke about the world of seduction. She told me about how she used to lead people on as a kid, but after finding herself she stopped, etc. And I pretty much told her that I wasn’t into the whole marriage and relationship thing (it more like slipped out because it’s such general knowledge about me that I assumed she already knew). It was quite a pleasant talk honestly. Then eventually I start sending her some stuff and then we watched a movie on her bed.

I put my arm around her and she doesn’t pull back. It’s pretty late and she falls asleep towards the end of the movie. it was round about 2 AM at that point, so I figure my other appointment is asleep by now. But Ashley is so comfortable with my touch that I’m certain that I’ll get laid. So I don’t pay it any bother.
She tells me that I can lie down if I want, and that she usually sleeps with the light on, and I figure that I gotta make my move fast. But I'm terrified at this point. So I lie down next to her, with her facing away from me. Surely this can’t be a sleepover? She must want me to try something right?

So, as my heart races and my balls freak the hell out, I decide to make my move

Me: Ashley?
Her: Yeah?
Me: That movie made me horny
Her: *raises head* What?!
Me: The movie. It turned me on.
Her: Who’s turned on?
Me: me :)
Her: I need to sleep. I’m tired.
Me: oh

I stop as I’m relieved that I at least tried something. But then I realize that that was probably LMR and not rejection. So I squeak:

Me: Let me energize you

She ignores it.

I figure that I made a lot of progress. From doing nothing but pondering over girls to having a sleepover with one on the first “date”. I figured I was on the right track. So I decide to just try again in the morning. I struggle to sleep with the light on, but I make sure to get some kino in with my arm on her waist.

In the morning when she wakes up, I wish her a goodmorning, ask her what she dreamed, made some fluff talk, etc etc. It was 7 AM. Then I remind her that the movie turned me on. I believe that after I said that it opened the flood gates into her and I talking about religion and morality in terms of sex and why this and why that. I also kept trying to add more kino to the interaction with her. So I start kissing her body. AND SHE ALLOWS THIS!!!!!!!!!

I keep kissing her and talking to her, kissing and talking, then I try to remove items of her clothing but she ain't having that and keeps moving my hand away. Though she does let me caress her. She also faces away from me, but that didn't stop me. So I just keep kissing, talking and trying to slip off items. I eventually realize that I haven’t kissed her on her lips yet. However, I’m afraid that if she rejects that, then she’ll reach an ultimately conscious decision not to sleep with me. But I try anyway and she dodges it.

Fuck.

I keep trying anyways and kissing parts of her body and removing her items but she’s letting me kiss her, but wont let me take shit off or makeout with her.
I figure that this has to be LMR and not a rejection, because she’s letting me kiss her and isn’t showing any signs at all that kissing her body is off the table. So I decide to keep doing this until she lets up. So I keep it up. Her clothes slip off slowly as my kissing, talking and stripping confuses her, so I make progress little by little. She even allows me to caress her butt and the area above her pussy. However, everytime I try to kiss her on the lips, she dodges it, and once I get to close to her pussy she pushes me away. Eventually I remember that when I woke up, she told me about a group meeting she had to attend. She checks the time and hours had flown passed since we woke up. It’s afternoon now and she was late for the meeting. I tell her to tell them that she was buying groceries and she rolled with it. Then the group cancels the meeting because everybody had an excuse, so I kept doing what I was doing.

She tells me that even if i were to suck her nipples and kiss her all day, nothing would happen.

She made a lot of comments like that. They felt pretty teasey. So it kind of felt like she was giving me the greenlight to go ahead.

Eventually more hours passed by and then I realize that she invited me to go to her church. I reeeeeeaaaaaallllllly wanted to go to it so I stop and tell her that I'll go get ready for it. She says sure and I go off. I had to do a bit of walking around and then when I got back, she told me that the trip was cancelled. And I know this to be true because I would have seen the bus on my way back to her. So I go off to my regular church nearby after chilling with her for another hour.

I was as nice as I could to prevent her from going into autorejection.

If you’re wondering how long this all took I got there at 8 pm, we slept at 2AM, woke up at 7AM, and I left at 6 PM to go to my own church.
The entire interaction was 22 hours long, with the LMR making up 16 hours of it (and yes, I counted her sleeping as LMR. Girl was probably planning how to execute the LMR for the next day!). But, I enjoyed the talks with her. I bumped into her yesterday and we vibed well (as far as I can tell).

Still, pretty eye opening regarding the patience, stubbornness and endurance of LMR.

Lessons:
1. If you can’t makeout with her, then you can’t fuck her.
2. Freshen up on the sexy man articles
3. Datey relationship topics are not the same as sexual topics. Must ramp it up next time
4. I’ve realised that I appreciate LMR now. Since it indicates that I’ve at least tried to go all the way.
5. A few days later I found out that the other girl I was supposed to meet had gotten engaged over the break. Just goes to show that moving fast is a paradigm to be taken seriously. But more importantly, I thought that this girl and Ashley were guaranteed lays, and so it kind of got me lazy. So now I can wipe the slate clean and go for new chicks. Fucking awesome
6. I probably should have forgotten about church and just continued trying to fuck her. But I got afraid that I was on the verge of rape that I jumped on the first plausible excuse to run away. If anybody knows where I can buy enormous balls so this can stop happening, please point the way. Otherwise, I'll just have to get there the old fashioned way: Experience!!!!
7. I expect a lot more LMR in the future. And I am indeed prepared to learn how to deal with it and then prevent it.

Take care guys
 
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Sandman

Cro-Magnon Man
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First mistake you did was was watching the damn movie bro. She texts you to "watch movies" with her at her own place around 8! Seems like a true booty call :) After you made her comfortable you should have made your move right away. Don't wait for the movie to end.

Second mistake was telling her that the movie made you horny. It is a weak move. It is your job to make her horny. You verbalized your horniness which I would do only when passionately escalating such as "girl, you're making me so horny right now" which would be a good chase frame. And she used confusion, delibaretely or not, to make you repeat yourself thus lowering your value. She says "what?", you just give her a sexy eye contact and wait, let the tension unfold.

If she doesn't wannna kiss you, don't kiss her. If you make her horny enough by kissing other parts of her body eventually she will kiss you. You trying to kiss her again and again only cemented her resistance. Also, regarding where she told you that nothing would happen even if you kissed her nipples, you just say "yeah, I'm alright with that". Btw, you should be alright with that, even if you did not have sex it's still nice to wrap your arms around a girl and kiss her body right? This is my go to move for "nothig is gonna happen" kind of LMR, I just say "that's perfectly fine, just fooling around like this feels good" then continue escalating.

Kudos to you for not giving up though! You did your best and the rest is up to the girl :)
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Sandman said:
First mistake you did was was watching the damn movie bro. She texts you to "watch movies" with her at her own place around 8! Seems like a true booty call :) After you made her comfortable you should have made your move right away. Don't wait for the movie to end.

lol, yeah. My nerves probably got the better of me there. Always gotta be on the look out for that. Reminds me of an article speaking about how you should escalate with her as soon as she becomes comfortable with you. That way your presence hasn't completely satisfied her as of yet and so she won't kick you out.

Couple that with displaying sexual intent/tension beforehand and it'll create a deadly combination.

I searched last minute resistance on the main site and there appears to be plenty of articles dedicated towards it. So I'll indulge in them for a while as well and see how I can apply them in my future interactions

Second mistake was telling her that the movie made you horny. It is a weak move. It is your job to make her horny. You verbalized your horniness which I would do only when passionately escalating such as "girl, you're making me so horny right now" which would be a good chase frame. And she used confusion, deliberately or not, to make you repeat yourself thus lowering your value. She says "what?", you just give her a sexy eye contact and wait, let the tension unfold.

Right. Physical game is a lot stronger than verbal game. And at points, verbal game is actually counterproductive, like in this scenario. I never really know what to do when It's time to start escalating. One more lesson this taught me is that you can't verbally sidestep impending LMR. So I probably gotta make sure that I set the right tone well beforehand if I wish to avoid it. Or at least learn how to power through.

Although I chuckled a bit when I saw how shocked she was when I said that. Her entire body vibrated XD

If she doesn't wanna kiss you, don't kiss her. If you make her horny enough by kissing other parts of her body eventually she will kiss you. You trying to kiss her again and again only cemented her resistance. Also, regarding where she told you that nothing would happen even if you kissed her nipples, you just say "yeah, I'm alright with that". Btw, you should be alright with that, even if you did not have sex it's still nice to wrap your arms around a girl and kiss her body right? This is my go to move for "nothing is gonna happen" kind of LMR, I just say "that's perfectly fine, just fooling around like this feels good" then continue escalating.

Yeah, it felt very very good :)

There was even a point when I saw her with some of her clothes off, and her body skin glowing in the light. It was pretty fucking glorious. I told her twice that she was beautiful, but I guess that she took it as typical guy talk.

Damn was it divine.

Kudos to you for not giving up though! You did your best and the rest is up to the girl :)

Thanks bro. I'll probably next her if she takes too long tho. She's quite amazing, but a guy's gotta eat ya know ;)

Thanks for all the tips. Quite useful.
 
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