Am I going to have to move out of the deep south to have success with women?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

That shit did not apply to me. It was not until I moved to Washington (the state) that my results with women skyrocketed, like night and day type of shit. Not a damn thing about me changed other than the location.

Please post a recent LR and then a FR from when you were down South. Preferably multiples of each.

Hector

Damn dude, it was such a long time ago but I can give you some specific examples.

1. I meet a girl who comes down south from California, she is a tall blonde about my height. We go out (as friends) and we have people constantly asking "oh my you two aren't together are you?". Guys come on to hit on her and when they see that she is with me, they laugh and start imitating an Asian accent and doing the thing with their eyes where they make their eyes Asian. Some of my "friends" talk about how they are "not comfortable" with me being around white girls after hearing that I went out with her.

2. I go up to chat with a couple of girls who look at me awkwardly when I do so. Then I leave them alone and a couple minutes later, an overweight guy wearing a camo hat finds me and says "why in the hell were you bothering them girls over there huh?". I say "I wasn't bothering them", he repeats himself in a louder voice.

Now there was A LOT of number 2 happening when I cold approached down south, the confused "did he talk to me?" type of look. When I tried it out west in Washington, this was a lot less frequent.

3. I cold approach this brunette when on the sidewalk. As I am talking to her, a guy cuts in, he has a friend with him, and says "you know, it's damn sleazy to talk to women in public". I ignore him and keep chatting with the brunette who looks worried, well the guy gets more aggressive and starts shoving me. I ask "is she your girlfriend?", he replies "no but I know you got no business with her boy". The girl walks away and tells me she has to be somewhere but I have not encountered this shit in Washington.

Now I can go on and on but it isn't just one situation. I knew of one interracial couple involving a cute blonde with a Pakistani guy (they came down from New York), you could see the hate anger on people's faces when they saw the couple. The girl told me how a lot of people would look at them with furious faces when they were shopping and often tell her, when she was alone, how she could be so "desperate". Some of the good ole southern boys aggressive threw themselves at her and even groped her, when she told them to get lost, they commented on how she would give it up for an "Ayrab" but not an "American".

At this point, I don't know what else I can tell you. You seem convinced that OP can pull at a Klan rally. All I can say is, go down to the deep south (and I don't mean North Carolina or Tennessee, I mean really hostile places like Georgia) with your Pakistani friend, if you two pull cute white girls down there then I will eat my words. Just like I promised Radeng, I will eat my words, but so far that is what my experience was in years of living there.

You very rarely see cute white girls there going for minorities, outside of maybe black guys and in my experience that usually involved football players.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

1. I meet a girl who comes down south from California, she is a tall blonde about my height. We go out (as friends) and we have people constantly asking "oh my you two aren't together are you?". Guys come on to hit on her and when they see that she is with me, they laugh and start imitating an Asian accent and doing the thing with their eyes where they make their eyes Asian. Some of my "friends" talk about how they are "not comfortable" with me being around white girls after hearing that I went out with her.

2. I go up to chat with a couple of girls who look at me awkwardly when I do so. Then I leave them alone and a couple minutes later, an overweight guy wearing a camo hat finds me and says "why in the hell were you bothering them girls over there huh?". I say "I wasn't bothering them", he repeats himself in a louder voice.

Now there was A LOT of number 2 happening when I cold approached down south, the confused "did he talk to me?" type of look. When I tried it out west in Washington, this was a lot less frequent.

3. I cold approach this brunette when on the sidewalk. As I am talking to her, a guy cuts in, he has a friend with him, and says "you know, it's damn sleazy to talk to women in public". I ignore him and keep chatting with the brunette who looks worried, well the guy gets more aggressive and starts shoving me. I ask "is she your girlfriend?", he replies "no but I know you got no business with her boy". The girl walks away and tells me she has to be somewhere but I have not encountered this shit in Washington.

Lol. It sounds like these guys saw a submissive guy they could take advantage of. The fact that you are Asian just magnified the weakness they saw in you. Outsider (ethnicity) + weak (your submissiveness and not standing up to guys) = easy prey.

1. How do you respond to these guys being racist?

2. What was your tone? Did you give him a disgusted/confused look? What was your body language when you responded to him?

3. That is direct confrontation. You can't just ignore a situation like that, unless the girl really likes you and will tell him to fuck off herself. Turn to the girl, give her a weird look, look back at him and say "excuse me?" When he repeats himself, look at her and ask if she's bothered by you at all. Or tell him to fuck off and get in his face.

My response to any of these is

1. I've seen it happen in non-ethnic situations, which means is submissiveness that is the problem and ethnicity is an exacerbation of the problem. I.e., it's an easy filler "I'm gonna challenge this guy because he's weak" vs "I'm gonna challenge this guy because he's Asian"

2. In ethnically-charged situations, you can overcome it. My black friend in Virginia (who's also gay) would constantly have guys calling him "boy," threatening him and telling girls not to go after him, and then he'd still fuck these girls. He would get in fights all the time or near fights. A guy can't really say a lot when he's knocked the fuck out. The only ones who could get away with it were cops.

You see?

Deal with it or get the fuck out. You didn't deal with it properly but you got out of dodge, cool.

But now, here's the question - when's the last time you got laid? You keep saying "this stuff doesn't happen to me," but I don't see any LRs. Maybe some makeouts, fingerbangs, blowjobs...etc? If not, then it's your social skills that were the main problem.

You very rarely see cute white girls there going for minorities, outside of maybe black guys and in my experience that usually involved football players.

See, contradictions. A black dude is far more polarizing than an Asian. And you handed me the reason without even knowing it yourself

"Football players."

Hmmm, why football players?!

They're dominant and have a social status.

Their dominance and social status outweighed their ethnicity, and probably their ethnicity helped them in the end, too. Dominant, popular, AND he's different (black)? Pussy = wet.

If you played football, I guarantee you would be getting more pussy than any those good 'ol boys. Did you see these football players getting bullied or threatened in public? How did they respond?

Hector

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

You mean in Washington? I got laid a couple weeks ago and she was a cute redhead. I don't have the time to write out LRs anymore because I am satisfied with my sex life. Ever since being in Washington, I have been with over 15 different women and no one even cares. I see Asian, Indian, Hispanic, black, and guys of all races having success here. Every now and then when I see guys struggling on here and I think I can come in to help, I do. Other than that, I do not spend that much time on forums in general.

Whatever happened to me back then happened, all I know is I have never faced that anywhere outside of the south. I do not think I am going to convince you that the deep south is a bad area for minorities who want to score with white girls and even if I did, you would find the few rare exceptions.

So in that case, I think we can all agree that OP should try running a fast 40 time and find a way to get on an SEC football team, that will solve his issue for sure. You listening OP? Just walk on and make it on the Crimson Tide squad, that will solve all of your women problems.

Meanwhile, everyone else struggling who is well out of college, either try to be a rockstar, A-list actor, billionairem or pro athlete, that will make up for all of your issues.

SMH, a dude that hasn't spent a day in the deep south is going to tell me how women and people are down there.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

I'm happy for you and all your present success, Fuji. May you continue to flourish.

Hector

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I'm happy for you and all your present success, Fuji. May you continue to flourish.

Hector

I didn't mean to come off as a dick with the last part of my post either but the problem is that I just believe there is something to this situation you're not seeing. My original statement still stands, if you and your Pakistani friend end up getting cute white girls in Atlanta, then I will eat my words and confess that we should all (OP included) be taking notes!

 

[Effortless]

So I've practically done a lot in recent months to improve myself including my looks and all that but man, I have to say, I don't get the south. It seems like almost everyone that I know meets their SOs through social circles that are so tight knit and hard to break into.

That's what I've observed as well. I'm in the same state as you(Georgia).

I've tried being social and making friends but it hasn't worked at all, for some reason. People talk to me and all that, seem great, but I am never invited to any of their special exclusive events.

Matches my experience to a T. I've never had problems making friends anywhere else. I've lived in the Midwest, the West and Texas(sort of Southern, but not the Deep South). People will be nice to me, act like they like me. But I am never invited to do anything with anyone. The *only* friends I've made, have been other "Yankees". The only Northern guys that I know who have any clout at all, are on one of the teams. My school is only %70 Georgia natives. But %100 of the Greeks are from here, except for the few guys who are both athletes and Greeks.

And it's not just UGA that's like this. It's Georgia Southern, Kennesaw, Valdosta, North Georgia, West Georgia, Armstrong, etc. Every college I've visited in Georgia is exactly like this. It's horribly frustrating. Meanwhile, this is not the case at UT, FSU, FU, ASU(basically any of the major colleges in the surrounding states). Now I figure most of the college in AL are like this, aside from ASU(which actively seeks out people from outside of AL).

And the nightlife is the same way. Redneck cliques everywhere. Even in the "nice" areas like Buckhead, because the rich kids who go to UGA are still mostly just Hillbillies in a polo.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

You described Buckhead well, lots of former SEC grads (mainly from UGA and Auburn), who are looking to continue their college experience for another 5 years. The biggest bar in the area (Big Sky) is loaded with people just like this, can be very difficult to game.

What makes Georgia a difficult state to do well in is the cliquishness and the small town feel that a lot of big cities have. You get a lot of slut shaming and jealous cockblocking from angry guys when "outsiders" come on to their girls. You can see where they are coming from too because Georgia guys aren't exactly that high on the desirability scale, lots of overweight dudes with heavy accents and horrible style, lots of hatred and envy among them. Even the hipsters from the suburbs mainly rely on tight social circles to get any action at all.

All that being said though, if you aren't dead set on the hot blonde co-ed types, you can find some action in Atlanta from transplant women. So if OP happens to be there, I would tell him to nut up and approach. Now if he is in Athens, then it might not work out but it can work out if he goes to Atlanta and plays the numbers game. Cold approach a good bit because unlike other major cities, the quality of guys in Atlanta is not that high at all.

The only time you really get much competition is if you are going after ex-sorority sisters in Buckhead and even then, it is from jealous frat boys. Keep playing that numbers game, you might luck out, but I stick with my original statement in that Miami, most major Florida cities, Charleston, Charlotte, and Nashville are far better simply because there are so much more attractive women to go around. Atlanta is only great if you're into black girls, have to work quite hard to find quality white girls in the city.

 

[NewKid2000]

You described Buckhead well, lots of former SEC grads (mainly from UGA and Auburn), who are looking to continue their college experience for another 5 years. The biggest bar in the area (Big Sky) is loaded with people just like this, can be very difficult to game.

What makes Georgia a difficult state to do well in is the cliquishness and the small town feel that a lot of big cities have. You get a lot of slut shaming and jealous cockblocking from angry guys when "outsiders" come on to their girls. You can see where they are coming from too because Georgia guys aren't exactly that high on the desirability scale, lots of overweight dudes with heavy accents and horrible style, lots of hatred and envy among them. Even the hipsters from the suburbs mainly rely on tight social circles to get any action at all.

All that being said though, if you aren't dead set on the hot blonde co-ed types, you can find some action in Atlanta from transplant women. So if OP happens to be there, I would tell him to nut up and approach. Now if he is in Athens, then it might not work out but it can work out if he goes to Atlanta and plays the numbers game. Cold approach a good bit because unlike other major cities, the quality of guys in Atlanta is not that high at all.

The only time you really get much competition is if you are going after ex-sorority sisters in Buckhead and even then, it is from jealous frat boys. Keep playing that numbers game, you might luck out, but I stick with my original statement in that Miami, most major Florida cities, Charleston, Charlotte, and Nashville are far better simply because there are so much more attractive women to go around. Atlanta is only great if you're into black girls, have to work quite hard to find quality white girls in the city.

Yeah man Atlanta is the worst. And just Georgia as a state is horrible. I grew up all my life in 2 parts of Georgia, and both were horrible. And Atlanta just taking the cake of terrible haha. Before I left Atlanta I had a cousin and a friend come down to Atlanta from New York, and they all hated it. Country guys with no style whatsoever, and no coolness get girls just because they are country and White. And the crazy thing is that, southern white girls like that look. Which as you said, the guys in the Atlanta are overweight, no style, no coolness, no nothing. But anyways I don't even like the quality of females in Atlanta anyways. The White girls in Atlanta are either plain looking, or overweight. They usually fit into one of those categories.
I wasted no time and got the freak out of there. I wasn't going to waste my time in a place like that, trying to find a "needle in a haystack." When I can be swimming in hot women, that are open minded, intelligent, bubbly and fun. I'm happy with my move and other then to visit family, Atlanta will never be my home again.

Even when I go there to visit it's like "Wow." No way I could live here again. It's just doesn't fit my personality, and what I expect from a big city at all. Atlanta is a beautiful city overall, but being single in Atlanta is "Awful." But honestly, i'd rather just visit the city, but not live there.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

One thing I can say, if you're willing to take the risk, is that the girls in Georgia know that the guys in the state are not high quality so you might be able to sneak around. My cousin went to UGA and from what he tells me, even in the fraternities there, a lot of the frat stars and even fraternity presidents in the top houses weren't even from the state. The hard part is getting the "in" from a lot of Georgia guys, they aren't going to let in outsiders to their social circles because they see mostly all outsiders as threats. So if a charismatic and handsome Yankee comes along, the guys are going to be weary and hostile towards him. Even if the girls like you, the guys will mean-mug you and try to chase you away, just like Fuji Follower noted.

It's not just the country boy types that are like this, tons of suburban kids from the Atlanta area are just as cliquish and protective of their girls. The guys themselves know that on a level playing field, they can't really compete with some charismatic yankee or a California stud. Most girls across America aren't putting Georgia in their top 10 when it comes to hot guys, even when they say they want southern guys, they want guys from a state like Texas. I will say that guys from the Dixie states like Georgia and Alabama have some of the worst game I've seen, as soon as you take them out of their element, they struggle like no other.

A lot of the girls head out to bars in packs and you usually see the same people at the same bars, even the bartenders are almost all former fraternity guys or sorority girls from SEC schools. The girls in the state are seriously thirsting for something better because even including Atlanta, there just isn't that much in Georgia. Outside of the country boy types and suburban guys who have about as much testosterone as a teenage girl, Atlanta has a lot of gay guys and guys that lack some serious game, your competition is not that tough at all.

My biggest issue with the city is simple, there just aren't that many hot white girls there. The ones that are kinda hot, they're usually very trashy and ratchet. For the most part, it is difficult to find a classy white woman in the area outside of a few odd transplants here and there. You will find tons of Iggy Azaleas but little to no Megan Fox or Victoria Secret supermodel types. Even at the bars they play crunk ratchet rap music with shit lyrics. At least in bars in other cities they play top 10 billboard charts or a catchy pop song from Flo Rida, Miley Cyrus, or Taylor Swift but no, just retarded rap music from southern rappers.

Point still stands though, the competition is weak and if you are willing to take the risk to sneak around with some of the girls, it is doable. Just be ready for some confrontations and even possible fights with former frat boys and the "country boys" when they find out that their little princess was getting dicked down by some California stud.

 

[Effortless]

I never expected there would so many fat chicks. It's unbelievable how many there are. I think in a lot of ways, that's the single biggest problem. The reason it's so hard to get attractive women in Georgia is because there just aren't many of them. So girls who would be top %10 in Miami are top %2 here. I'd say the guys in Georgia are less attractive too, but the gap isn't as bad. Guys in Florida are better looking. But somewhat better looking. There are maybe 2x as many good looking guys in Florida than Georgia. Meanwhile, there are 5x as many attractive women.


I've lived in five states in the Midwest, West and South. I've had no problems making friends, or getting women anywhere else. And what little luck I've had here, has been exclusively on the "GF/FB" front. The only natives that have been cool with me, have exclusively been physically attractive women. All native Georgian men have been distant if not outright rude. All unattractive women have been as well. And the pretty girls that I'm not interested in, act like that first thing they realize I'm probably not interested in dating them. The only natives who want to hang out with me, are pretty women who want to date/fuck me. Literally.

I grew up(in part) in Tennessee and Texas. I hunt, I fish, I even like NASCAR. I spent many nights in high school mudding and coon hunting. I can fit in just fine with almost any other group of Southerners. But not in Georgia.

You're completely right about looking for other Yankees, Proactivity.

It's gotten to point where I say to literally every person I meet "You don't look like you're from around here", within a minute or two of meeting them. If they say "I'm from [any state other than Georgia]", I'll keep talking to them. If they say "Oh, I'm from [any city in Georgia]", I just wrap things up and never speak to the person again.
Thanks to this, I now have more than a couple of friends in my third semester(every other friend I made in the first two were from random, unintentional encounters with fellow "Yankees"). Now I just immediately seek them out. I'm done with native Georgians entirely.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Do you go to UGA by any chance?

The guys in Florida are significantly better looking than the guys in Georgia, it is not even close. Florida guys are usually in better shape, athletic bodies, and fit various looks. Georgia guys are generally overweight by comparison and have a style that is very "dad". Even in the wealthier areas of Atlanta, the guys lack in terms of height. The best looking people in the area are those that moved here from other places.

I am surprised you have had the good experiences with the attractive women in the state while having a bad experience with everyone else, wonder what gives. I did alright with the hot girls that moved there from elsewhere, think it's because they feel like the state is weird and horrible as well. That and the fact that Georgia guys have little to no game at all which makes it easier for experienced players to pick out the lone hottie at a bar. Very easy to beat the overweight country boy with a heavy accent when the girl isn't some former sorority sister who is trying to climb a social ladder.

You occasionally meet good people in the state but they are few in numbers. Lots of guys trying to prove themselves and looking like morons doing it in the process. In fact, I think a reddit post linked to in this thread here described it perfectly!

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13339

Don't meant to bump an old post, but I had to chime in on this. I have lived in Florida, NJ, and the Marietta area of Georgia, and from my experience I can tell you it is most definitely Georgia. People were so much nicer in Florida, and people were rude in Jersey, yes, but at least they wouldn't act snobbish and not even give you a chance or shun you. I think Georgia is the place they go when they couldn't make it in their home state, so they come to GA and figure they can act cocky and however they want. Kind of like when a really average/bad player on the Yankees gets traded to another team, an then said teams announcers glorify him just because he was on the Yankees, then he gets a big ego an thinks he's the best, even though he was probably one of the worst players on the Yankees. But anyway some areas of Georgia are good, it is a beautiful state, but in my experience the Marietta/Atlanta area had mostly snobbish hipsters and fake rude people who think they are better than others. But everyone has a different opinion and experience, that's just mine. Good luck though, I hope it works out for you in Athens eventually.

Here is the link to the post and the thread received a lot of upvotes on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comm ... ia/cxfusdk

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The one thing I can say about Georgia is that it has only gotten a lot worse in the past decade. My cousin went to UGA just a little under a decade ago and I would occasionally visit him during that time, found a lot of cute girls there during that time. Was in Athens the past summer, it was a completely different place in terms of the quality of girls. Tons of overweight women, feminist types, and a lot more fatties around. I could believe it with my own eyes and it took me a while to find a girl that was even a 7.

Back over a decade ago it got a reputation as the best party school in the country but ever since then, the quality has dropped way off.

 

[Raqimus]

Blind Poison... D:

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Wow, this thread was very enlightening. Anyways guys, I've been out of Georgia for the past 4 weeks and in a state on the other side of the country, things are already turning around for me. I am literally the same person but I feel like I am in a completely different world. As a matter of fact, I feel like something just happened. I feel like I have been wasting all of my potential because I was unfortunate enough to be stuck in Georgia due to parents having a job there, being very tightly involved in my life, and my lack of job prospects. Right now I am only visiting another state but I desperately want to get out of Georgia long term. Everything that everyone on this thread who is actually in Georgia has said about the state is spot on. I swear to god it annoys me to see some fatfuck rednecks with cute girls, it makes no sense at all, the state itself makes no sense at all.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

^ Yup

Don't worry though, those guys are getting by on good ol boy status and the girls don't have much options either since slut shaming is worse in the state than anywhere else in the country (especially if the guy she hooked up with wasn't white). Put those same Georgia guys in other states and they crash like no tomorrow.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The things y'all make yourselves believe is astonishing to me.

I'm pretty sure you just experienced the "placebo effect"...

If not then your game better improve quickly then Altair? I hope to see some LRs by you then.

Ignorance is Bliss~

Slay

Dude chill out, I can say from experience that locations matters a lot and my results have improved based off of it.