What's new

AMA I am a 26 year old who has slept with over 50 girls, all 8s and above

trashKENNUT

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Messages
6,551
Tayo,

Tayo said:
Exactly what I was thinking.... the Onibun dude is just an attention seeker and yet Franco, ZacAdam and even Chase was replying him???

His attention seeking characteristic only appears after few post. It's not a clear black and white, especially in social context. I have had a girl friend who was friendly but i didn't took notice of cues even if it's big enough. and my friends were pretty good in backing up for me when things went sour in school. Of course, by then, everyone knew she was terrible

On my case, here, I perceive him as assertive, only for him to respond later on and i saw emotional vampirism in some parts. Humans are not perfect and we can't always detect everything until it comes at a certain distance. :)

Zac
 

Tim Iron

Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
449
yea ZacAdam....

by the way is your shoulder better now?

ZacAdam said:
Tayo,

Tayo said:
Exactly what I was thinking.... the Onibun dude is just an attention seeker and yet Franco, ZacAdam and even Chase was replying him???

His attention seeking characteristic only appears after few post. It's not a clear black and white, especially in social context. I have had a girl friend who was friendly but i didn't took notice of cues even if it's big enough. and my friends were pretty good in backing up for me when things went sour in school. Of course, by then, everyone knew she was terrible

On my case, here, I perceive him as assertive, only for him to respond later on and i saw emotional vampirism in some parts. Humans are not perfect and we can't always detect everything until it comes at a certain distance. :)

Zac
 

trashKENNUT

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Messages
6,551
Tayo,

Tayo said:
yea ZacAdam....

by the way is your shoulder better now?

I am more concern with passing "Gold" on my next physical fitness test next month for my nation's conscription. We have to take it every year. Btw, I gotta go. Ciao!

my shoulders ain't so bad now but :(

Zac
 

Tim Iron

Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
449
So you want to join the armed forces???

ZacAdam said:
Tayo,

I am more concern with passing "Gold" on my next physical fitness test next month for my nation's conscription. We have to take it every year. Btw, I gotta go. Ciao!

my shoulders ain't so bad now but :(

Zac
 

trashKENNUT

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Messages
6,551
Tayo said:
So you want to join the armed forces???

No way. Two years being a 'slave' is enough. LOLX (National Conscription is compulsory in certain parts of Asia.)

Zac
 

Franco

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
3,637
Tayo,

Exactly what I was thinking.... the Onibun dude is just an attention seeker and yet Franco, ZacAdam and even Chase was replying him???

I don't think his post was 100% attention-seeking, even though there was a decent amount of bragging. He might have known something that we don't, but I'll get to that in a bit. What drew more attention from us was his criticism of something he hadn't looked through or properly determined the value of (which is this forum, this website, and this website's articles as a whole).

You can gather a lot from what a guy says, so I figured a healthy conversation with him would give me an idea of what he knows. From what I could gather, he has an above-average understanding of relationship dynamics but essentially hid behind a very generalized, ambiguous, and mainstream view of relationships without any concrete understanding of how a relationship should actually be run. He understands that there's a value exchange between both parties and that both parties should feel that they are receiving their fair share (or greater) of that value, and that's fairly common -- and correct -- knowledge, but the complexity comes from actually understanding what aspects of a relationship all women place high value on and then leveraging that knowledge to run your relationship in a way where you both benefit the most (and in basically all cases, this also includes the man being in control of the relationship). He also defined a successful relationship as a long-lasting one that leads to reproduction, whereas Chase and I define a successful relationship from a more utilitarian standpoint of both parties achieving the maximum amount of happiness. A relationship then ends when one or both parties determine that more happiness can be gained by not continuing to be in that relationship (regardless of whether or not actual reproduction took place).

Anyway, based on his extra emphasis on online dating (which he mentioned a few times in posts as well as referenced with his Plenty of Fish screenshot), I feel like it might have been possible that he had a leg up on us in his knowledge of learning how to bed women from online dating services. Admittedly, this website does not place a high emphasis on online dating, although we do have several articles/topics devoted solely to it. I wanted him to share some of his process/methods as well as his understanding on this topic to see if he knows something that works that we don't. As Rob mentioned, this even could have been as simple as posting a Lay Report from an attractive woman he met on Plenty of Fish. Unfortunately, he eventually refused to share any of this information on the forum, so we weren't able to gather whether or not his bragging was actually legitimate or purely attention-seeking.

Had he taken the proper approach to joining this community, it's possible he could have been a good mentor to those looking for another outside perspective (think Alek Rolstad) on bedding women. But as Nova (amusingly) stated, his lack of understanding on how to properly integrate himself with an online community is ultimately what led to this conclusion.

I hope that clears things up, Tayo. =)

- Franco
 

Chase

Chieftan
Staff member
tribal-elder
Joined
Oct 9, 2012
Messages
6,626
Hey Tayo-

Tayo said:
the Onibun dude is just an attention seeker and yet Franco, ZacAdam and even Chase was replying him???

I try to address arguments I haven't addressed previously on here when I see them. I skimmed his post when Franco linked it to me and didn't plan on replying, but I noticed the whole "you're dumb if you have to pay for this" line of reasoning, which I felt was worth addressing.

Note that I was speaking to any readers seeing his argument and either a.) wondering if he might be right, or b.) feeling insulted but not knowing exactly why or even if their feelings are on the mark or the other guy's are. I was not speaking to Onibun (who probably got his, "There, I sure showed those guys!" feeling and then left for good, never to return); guys like this drop by periodically, usually on the main site. We moderate out the comments that consist of, "I can't believe a site like this even exists - what stupidity. Just go up to girls and talk to them - duh!"

Threads like this attract a lot of attention, and I don't want newer guys (and especially lurkers) questioning themselves and going, "Wow, this guy seems like he might be legit... is he right? Am I an idiot for seeking help? Should I just go it alone on everything and that'll be my path to getting everything I want?"

Chase
 

Franco

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
3,637
Dilusha,

Btw, POF is a fake site Imo.

POF is indeed a real dating website, and I've used it before to meet up with chicks. However, it's also overly stocked with fake profiles and bots, so showing a screenshot of an inbox full of hot girls doesn't really mean much of anything (since I used to get all kinds of bots sending me random messages on there with sexy-looking girls for their profile pictures).

- Franco
 

Drck

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Feb 14, 2013
Messages
1,488
I don't know what is the big deal. Onibun started when he was 17. Say he started to sleep with girls at the age of 18, till 26. That is some 8 years. 50 girls in 8 years is 6-7 girls per year, one every 2 months or so.

Say he's been sleeping with girls only 5 years, that is 10 girls per year. That is 1 girl in every 4-5 weeks on average. I don't see anything special on that.

About a year ago I knew a guy who I witnessed nailed some 7-8 girls out of 10 that we both knew in 3 months, and he left the 2 out just because they were not nice looking. That was during the day, I have no clue what he was doing at nights.

He was literally just a Nice Guy, very friendly, pleasant, likable and open, had no clue about PUA or GC. His seduction technique was rather "primitive" - he just became friend with all the girls, he was making jokes and being funny, he was touching a lot. He made girls laugh, happy. He talked a lot about sex, he talked about how he bangs a girl in front of the rest of girls, telling them that he had to bang her 3 times before his dick became weak.

He was far away from being an asshole, Alpha, or dominant, he wasn't necessary a party guy either. Normal clothes, nice and neat looks. There was nothing special, e.g. no deep diving, no confident walk or look, he wasn't playing disinterested, he wasn't laid back nor aloof, there was no push-pull, simply nothing. He wasn't a car salesman and he didn't try to convince the girls with some special seduction skills. There wasn't any visible confidence, and he wasn't strong physically (although he was very smart). Simply nothing that you are familiar with here on GC, he was just a Nice Guy.

He was hitting on girls in a simple even primitive way, e.g. calling them mama and sending kisses. Sometimes he perhaps even whistled at them (talk about style from 1960's). All the girls just loved him, all he had to do is to invite them to his place, or wait till they invite him. And they did. He was around 32-33 years old, those girls were in range between 22-30. I had no doubt he banged many girls since his 20's, he could easily do 30-40 girls per year.

To summarize his style: Nice, very friendly and pleasant >>>> Abundance of girls, talk to many of them >>>> Be very friendly, make people laugh >>>> talk a lot about sex, hint a lot about sex >>>> touch a lot, hug a lot in a friendly way >>>> Invite her or wait till she invites you >>>> Have sex >>>> Make a picture of her being naked and show it to the other guys. That is it, nothing else, no seduction skills, no elaborated texts...

How could that be? I can't do that, I can't be that friendly, I'm too conservative to talk about sex in front of other people. He can't teach me that, there is no way. I just have different personality, and I don't even have desire to nail 10 different girls in 3 months. But there are people who do, and they just do it without any special skills...
 

trashKENNUT

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Messages
6,551
Drck,

What you implementing is that there is nothing special in what Onibun teaches?

Actually it's very difficult to know if a guy is really good with girls until you see them with a lot of them. Most guys overblow their results, and Chase noted this in the past.

To me, i probably understand that there's a lot of guys who want to "be there" but they are not there yet (and i am not there yet, either. A philosophical debate on being there is an illusion because of process is another topic). The thing that scratches my head until today, is why people have to put others down terribly.

Zac
 

Drck

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Feb 14, 2013
Messages
1,488
Hi Zac,

I see it differently. It is difficult to talk about seduction, so lets use simple analogy.

One of those nice days you wake up and you finally decide to go to fitness and lift weights because you don't want to be a pussy. So you go there, and you see a guy, lets call him Joe, who claims that he can bench press 300 pounds after 3 years of training. You say wow, I want to do that too, after 3 years I can lift even more. You load the weight, but the best you can do is 120 pounds. You are quite disappointed with yourself. How did the other guy lift so much weight? But you don't get discouraged, you just train and train.

So you practice and practice, you are doing your best, you train honestly, and after 3 years of training your best lift is 230 pounds. You think that this guy Joe is lying, that he must have been lifting weights much longer, but now after another 3 years he is lifting 400 pounds. How is it possible? It can't be, you say, it just doesn't make sense. He must be on steroids.

Another guy comes, call him Frank, and he claims he's never bench pressed in his entire life. Frank grabs a weights and he benches 250 pounds, more than you after 3 years of honest training. Is it possible? Is he lying?

It is possible, but you have to put things in perspective. For example, Joe is using totally different strategy then you. He has faster metabolism than you, he eats more proteins, he has robust anatomy, he trains with other guys who are equally good. They compete with each other, try to beat each other. Joe also trains biceps, back, legs, and the rest of his body. He trains 2x a day, 6 days a week. He trains to be pro, he has no other life, whereas you are busy chasing girls and bench only 2x per week. You don't excercise biceps, back, nor legs.

But how about that liar Frank? How can he bench 250 pounds without ever benching before? What Frank didn't mention is, that he grew up in woods with his grandfather from Russia. He was doing hard labor all day, lifting heavy objects pretty much every day. He never benched in his entire life, but he was doing lots of push ups, trying to beat his grandpa. He also weighs 100 pounds more than you, his testosterone levels are double of yours, and he will easily bench 300 pounds in the next 2 months of training.

So that is the analogy. Back to the girls: Imagine a guy who grew up between guys who were good at seducing girls, in family where everybody is friendly, open, supportive. He is smart and extroverted, that is just his personality. He is not shy, he is confident around girls because he grew up around them. He has no problems with girls, he can easily seduce girl without any knowledge, he can figure out on his own how to get girls in bed. He's got all he needs - vibing personality, friendliness, smartness, and he also whitnessed many times that seducing girl is no big deal. For him, seducing girls is a joy, fun, pleasure, ease...

Compare it to a different guy. This guy doesn't have many friends, he is also very smart but introverted, that is just his personality. He never met anyone who is good with girls. He has anxiety issues, he is shy, he didn't really talk much to girls since he was little. For him seducing girls is suffering, work, it brings him depression, anger, stress...

You just can't compare these two guys. The first guy needs minimum knowledge to be good with girls, it is more natural to him to be around girls. The other guy will struggle, he just doesn't have the underlying experience and personality, he needs to learn a lot about girls, he needs to get the experience being around girls and talking to them, he needs to work on his personality, open up, cheer up, relax, become more positive...
 

Nova

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Nov 27, 2012
Messages
295
Drck said:
Hi Zac,

I see it differently. It is difficult to talk about seduction, so lets use simple analogy.

One of those nice days you wake up and you finally decide to go to fitness and lift weights because you don't want to be a pussy. So you go there, and you see a guy, lets call him Joe, who claims that he can bench press 300 pounds after 3 years of training. You say wow, I want to do that too, after 3 years I can lift even more. You load the weight, but the best you can do is 120 pounds. You are quite disappointed with yourself. How did the other guy lift so much weight? But you don't get discouraged, you just train and train.

So you practice and practice, you are doing your best, you train honestly, and after 3 years of training your best lift is 230 pounds. You think that this guy Joe is lying, that he must have been lifting weights much longer, but now after another 3 years he is lifting 400 pounds. How is it possible? It can't be, you say, it just doesn't make sense. He must be on steroids.

Another guy comes, call him Frank, and he claims he's never bench pressed in his entire life. Frank grabs a weights and he benches 250 pounds, more than you after 3 years of honest training. Is it possible? Is he lying?

It is possible, but you have to put things in perspective. For example, Joe is using totally different strategy then you. He has faster metabolism than you, he eats more proteins, he has robust anatomy, he trains with other guys who are equally good. They compete with each other, try to beat each other. Joe also trains biceps, back, legs, and the rest of his body. He trains 2x a day, 6 days a week. He trains to be pro, he has no other life, whereas you are busy chasing girls and bench only 2x per week. You don't excercise biceps, back, nor legs.

But how about that liar Frank? How can he bench 250 pounds without ever benching before? What Frank didn't mention is, that he grew up in woods with his grandfather from Russia. He was doing hard labor all day, lifting heavy objects pretty much every day. He never benched in his entire life, but he was doing lots of push ups, trying to beat his grandpa. He also weighs 100 pounds more than you, his testosterone levels are double of yours, and he will easily bench 300 pounds in the next 2 months of training.

So that is the analogy. Back to the girls: Imagine a guy who grew up between guys who were good at seducing girls, in family where everybody is friendly, open, supportive. He is smart and extroverted, that is just his personality. He is not shy, he is confident around girls because he grew up around them. He has no problems with girls, he can easily seduce girl without any knowledge, he can figure out on his own how to get girls in bed. He's got all he needs - vibing personality, friendliness, smartness, and he also whitnessed many times that seducing girl is no big deal. For him, seducing girls is a joy, fun, pleasure, ease...

Compare it to a different guy. This guy doesn't have many friends, he is also very smart but introverted, that is just his personality. He never met anyone who is good with girls. He has anxiety issues, he is shy, he didn't really talk much to girls since he was little. For him seducing girls is suffering, work, it brings him depression, anger, stress...

You just can't compare these two guys. The first guy needs minimum knowledge to be good with girls, it is more natural to him to be around girls. The other guy will struggle, he just doesn't have the underlying experience and personality, he needs to learn a lot about girls, he needs to get the experience being around girls and talking to them, he needs to work on his personality, open up, cheer up, relax, become more positive...

138269.gif
 

trashKENNUT

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Messages
6,551
Drck,

Drck said:
But how about that liar Frank? How can he bench 250 pounds without ever benching before? What Frank didn't mention is, that he grew up in woods with his grandfather from Russia. He was doing hard labor all day, lifting heavy objects pretty much every day. He never benched in his entire life, but he was doing lots of push ups, trying to beat his grandpa. He also weighs 100 pounds more than you, his testosterone levels are double of yours, and he will easily bench 300 pounds in the next 2 months of training.

Different style but same ending. Yea, you have to view the variable, and understand the value of the objective, first. :) You can't always put two things together.

Nova,

:)

Zac
 

Zoro

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Dec 25, 2012
Messages
1,124
So intrigued by this thread.

Think the title should be changed to "The Thread Where Everyone Lost Their Minds"

Onibum, please excuse us for our temporary insanity. However the point still stands; we merely want to be shown your skills by a report or advice, only because anyone can make a list of claims.

And About the debate on a healthy relationship...

Onibum did say this,

I won't speak to any of the relationship advice, as I've not been through it

Like I said, we lost out minds here haha
 

Drck

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Feb 14, 2013
Messages
1,488
Old text, and I know I already replied to it couple of times. I don't remember what I wrote, nor have a desire to re-read it all, However:

1) on ne pictures I don't really see many 8/10 in looks. Maybe just 1, that's with lots of fantasy. How about personality? How many of them are 8/10? Personally, if she is 8/10 in looks AND 8/10 personality, I will fall in love with her, and once I'm in love I have no need to go after another girls... If I don't fall in love it's just a sport fuck. Thus 1 girl per month is not that much, depending on effort you want to exert, you can actually do much better...

2) I'm not impressed with sleeping with 50 girls by the age 26. If you do 10-12 girls per year, that's approximately 1 girl per month for 5 years or so. It is good but don't see anything special on that number, it is quantity, not quality though. Again, pure sport fuck, if you are good, this way you can fuck 2-3 girls per week, or even just a weekend. I've seen guys who can do even more....

I believe that any average guy with little bit of confidence and some free time can do 1 girl per week in this sort of sport fuck style, as far as quantity is concerned. That's about 50 girls per year. On the other hand, I don't really believe there is much QUALITY involved. If you show the guy pictures with all those 50 girls, chances are that he won't remember even half of their names... Now ask some details about each girl's life, and he would be totally lost, unless he's got really good memory...

So what's the big deal...? If you want to touch the girl's life, if you truly want to vibe with her and have true feelings for her, if you are talking about good relationships - there is no way you can do 50 girls. There is just no quality involved....
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

Flames

Cro-Magnon Man
Cro-Magnon Man
Joined
Dec 7, 2012
Messages
430
All I saw in this post was.

"I have a large penis"
"No way you can't have"
"No really I do"
"Maybe you do but thats not everything"
"It's possible you have a large penis, how do I get a large penis?"
"Well I'm done, got babes to satisfy"
"Blah blah (he doesn't really have a large penis)"

Now if only the community could be this enthusiastic about actually helping each other out.
 

Big Daddy

Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
Joined
Jan 26, 2013
Messages
707
Guys, actually, apparently none of us was familiar with the AMA concept that is common in some forums on the Internet. I stumbled upon a couple of these not long ago. Someone who has "been there, done that" states what it is that he has done and other members shoot simple and short questions around that topic or not. The user generally provide some proof. He probably expected we were familiar with this concept and we probably misunderstood the whole thing.

It's like Chase going to another forum where no one knows him and posting "I'm Chase, banged over 200 women, been in LTRs for 2+ years. Here are some girls that I slept with: [girls]. Ask me anything."
 

Franco

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
3,637
BD,

Our issue with this user was not that he was offering to provide help but rather than he (indirectly) put down Chase, this community, and the entire idea of this website in general, and then offered his "AMA" as a better solution.

We're fine with outside people with a lot of experience coming in here and sharing their knowledge, but if you're going to insert yourself into a community and provide your insight, you should do so with respect to what that community is offering and what it is about before you make your statements.

This user didn't really even glance over what Chase has spent a long time putting together here and just immediately assumed that what he (the user) had to offer was better and that what Chase had to offer was overpriced/overrated.

- Franco
 

Hector Papi Castillo

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
Joined
Dec 2, 2013
Messages
2,592
Jesus fucking christ, I'm dying over here and have no idea how I ever missed this thread.

Also, this...

Nova said:
Which I think is a great idea. Nothing gains respect and says pro with a capital P like banging on about how good you are (I mean when when a guy spends ages and ages droning on about how many girls he's fucked and how big his cock is, you just know that he's the shit and what he's saying is the real deal, don't you?)

I also loved your idea to come here and present yourself as an almost figure-head of seduction that has transcended PUA by claiming it 'bullshit' even though your on a website that is based around the idea of conceptualizing the process of attracting women which is what PUA material is, another master stroke and one that is ensured to garner yet more respect.

I also dig your ingenious idea of creating your own single centralized question and answers thread, almost painting you as an oracle like figure who simply doesn't have the time to join in with the rest of the community the way everybody else does because he's just too busy fucking chicks.

All in all, I am glad to have you aboard the ship ;-) - Just ignore anybody who thinks your probably just some bored motherfucker on a piss take - claiming to be all about sharing his knowledge so that people don't get scammed by the pua bullshit but in reality just wants to create a bit of tension, have a few debates, receive some much needed attention and take the opportunity to share some of his insightful stories of all the chicks he's bedded even though he doesn't even go to the gym or have any money.

Seriously, welcome. You sound like a real chill dude.

Sarcasm is for pussies. This is sardonism, my friends. And it is masterful.

- Hector
 
Top