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Dylweed

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I started experiencing great fear from terrible anxiety attacks 3 years ago when i was 20. I slowly started getting better though. I started meditating daily, eating healthy, exercising and started facing my fears. I took massive action approaching women and talking to strangers in general. It definitely helped. 2 and half years after my anxiety started i was doing a lot better. I'd still have anxious moods but nothing too severe. I was confident around women and was having success with them. Lost my virginity and slept with 8 girls in 9 months. Had 2 fuck buddy's. Overall i was feeling pretty awesome. Had no approach anxiety.

Then 3 months ago while all alone i was thinking about my old anxious ways when i had another anxiety attack for the first time in a long time. It brought me back down

I haven't been the same since. I don't know what to do now since after facing my fears repeatedly i was still brought back to zero. Appraching girls was so fun but now it makes me feel sick and depressed. If facing my fears didn't work then, how will it now? I'm not comfortable even all by myself. I was thinking about all this while taking a shower last week and i ended up having an anxiety attack again. And then one again 4 days later out in the woods all by myself.

Anybody got any advice on what to do next?
 

Drck

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You probably want to understand first what causes the anxiety and panic attacks, and once you understand you want to chose the best way for you. There is lots of literature around, or you can simply see professional help. Some quick points:

There are several causes of panic attacks and underlying high anxiety, such as certain medical condition, overreacting adrenal glands, certain medications, stress, or it might be hereditary (in family), due to genetics predisposition, neurotransmitter imbalance and so on. It can also be learned response. A person can have panic attacks with or without agoraphobia (when certain environment is perceived as dangerous, e.g. places or situations from which the person cannot escape easily).

You'd probably want to analyze what causes your anxiety/panic attacks, it may be difficult as it could be any combination of the above.

To deal with it, the simplest answer is medication, but there are also different ways:

You had the panic attacks three years ago, and then you started to experience them again three months ago when you were thinking about old anxious ways. This was your trigger, by thinking about it you simply brought it back. Another trigger(s) could be some negative self talks in a form "When I see a girl next time I'm gonna panic"

1. So be aware of your trigger(s) consciously, then try to avoid them, or deal with them in a rational way. Find out if there is any negative self talking and change it to positive. Try affirmations, perhaps something like: "I used to get panic attacks but now I am doing much better". "Its ok to think about my past panic attacks, now I have much better tools to deal with them". Do lots of them.

Here is couple examples of your negative self talk, your negative believes:
"If facing my fears didn't work then, how will it now?".
"I am not comfortable even all by myself".
"It makes me feel sick and depressed".
"It brought me back down"
"I had a panic attack, then another one. Then again, and again, and again,..."

You put yourself down with the above, you don't trust yourself, you flood your brain with negativity - while expecting positive results. It doesn't work that way.

Change those believes to positive ones, flood your brain with things that work through more positive and reasonable affirmations:

"It is ok that facing my fears didn't work before and I'll do my best so they work from now on".
"It is ok to have anxiety attacks, I can deal with it much better now".
"I wasn't comfortable with myself before, true, but now I am getting much more comfortable".
"I used to make me feel sick and depressed, but now I understand much better, and I am focusing more on positive thoughts and feelings".
"It brought me down, ok, no big deal. I am up again and ready to deal with it".
"It is ok if I have another panic attack, I accept that because I will be able to deal with it much better"
"I was already dealing with panic attack really well, and I will be able to deal with it even much better because now I know how"
"Panic attacks are ok, no big deal, they are actually quite interesting" (attempting to rationalize and minimize with logic)

2. Keep practice good feelings, relaxation, meditation. Good/positive feelings. First at home, then when you are among people. Practice slow and deep meditative breathing (home and among people). Panic attacks can actually be caused by high oxygen in your brain, as you are breathing very fast your oxygen level increases and your brain starts to "panic" (thus breathing into paper bag may help as you are re-breathing more CO2 and less oxygen)

3. Use systematic desensitization. If something specific causes you high anxiety try to overcome it by systematically exposing yourself to it (e.g. if girls cause you high anxiety, start slowly approaching one or two, then gradually increase the number. Maybe another of your trigger is to be alone (in the woods, in the shower,...). See how much time you can be alone while remaining comfortable.

4. Plan ahead what you are going to do when you start feeling that you are getting panic attack, have exact plan ready: Leave the situation, call friend, slower deep breathing (into paper bag), ...

5. Accept the panic attacks/high anxiety. If you try to fight them it will increase you anxiety as you will fear that you will be overwhelmed. Acceptance of anxiety may actually calm you down, thus avoid the attacks.

"It is perfectly OK to experience panic attacks".
"I'm ok with panic attacks, they can come and go, no big deal"

6. You can use some NLP (visualization) techniques. It would be quite long to write about it, it is much easier if you google it


So, you have lots of "tools" to deal with it: you have the understanding, you can make clear plan and can easily keep practicing the above...

Hope it helps
 

ray_zorse

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Dude I wasn't sure if I had anything useful to add to this thread but then I spotted this in your comments on the main site:
Then one day while all alone i was smoking some weed and got into some deep thoughts about how my anxiety used to be. I ended up vividly remembering it and then i ended up having an anxiety attack for the first in forever.
This was actually the first thing that occurred to me when I read your post in the first place, is weed involved? You're not aware that weed makes (many) people paranoid which leads to anxiety attacks in extreme cases? (Which can then become self reinforcing).

I experienced regular panic attacks when I joined a basketball team as a young adult, even though I had played basketball since I was like 8 and had nothing to actually fear, yet every time Wednesday rolled around I would be experiencing strong physical symptoms, getting elevated heart rate, hyperventilation, sweating, diarrhoea and vomiting in the toilet in the hours leading up to training. Well I would force myself to go (usually) and it would go fine. Well guess what, I was smoking weed every day, I tried not smoking on Wednesdays but this didn't really help, weed (like porn) does actually change your brain chemistry in ways that take time to recover, not to mention the self reinforcing side which only goes away when you collect some positive reference experiences.

I quit basketball when the team disbanded after 2 seasons and never really dealt with the anxiety properly (had other anxiety issues though not as bad) but haven't had any attacks since quitting the weed in 2006 even though I regularly do much more challenging activities than just playing basketball!!

BTW if you are mixing with tobacco then get ahold of Allen Carr's book "the easy way to quit smoking" and adapt the principles to your situation. There's a US edition for cheap on Amazon and probably a Kindle edition too. Allen Carr is (was) basically the Chase Amante of understanding nicotine addiction, if you apply the book correctly you cannot fail.

cheers, Ray
 

Dylweed

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Drck said:
You probably want to understand first what causes the anxiety and panic attacks, and once you understand you want to chose the best way for you. There is lots of literature around, or you can simply see professional help. Some quick points:

There are several causes of panic attacks and underlying high anxiety, such as certain medical condition, overreacting adrenal glands, certain medications, stress, or it might be hereditary (in family), due to genetics predisposition, neurotransmitter imbalance and so on. It can also be learned response. A person can have panic attacks with or without agoraphobia (when certain environment is perceived as dangerous, e.g. places or situations from which the person cannot escape easily).

You'd probably want to analyze what causes your anxiety/panic attacks, it may be difficult as it could be any combination of the above.

To deal with it, the simplest answer is medication, but there are also different ways:

You had the panic attacks three years ago, and then you started to experience them again three months ago when you were thinking about old anxious ways. This was your trigger, by thinking about it you simply brought it back. Another trigger(s) could be some negative self talks in a form "When I see a girl next time I'm gonna panic"

1. So be aware of your trigger(s) consciously, then try to avoid them, or deal with them in a rational way. Find out if there is any negative self talking and change it to positive. Try affirmations, perhaps something like: "I used to get panic attacks but now I am doing much better". "Its ok to think about my past panic attacks, now I have much better tools to deal with them". Do lots of them.

Here is couple examples of your negative self talk, your negative believes:
"If facing my fears didn't work then, how will it now?".
"I am not comfortable even all by myself".
"It makes me feel sick and depressed".
"It brought me back down"
"I had a panic attack, then another one. Then again, and again, and again,..."

You put yourself down with the above, you don't trust yourself, you flood your brain with negativity - while expecting positive results. It doesn't work that way.

Change those believes to positive ones, flood your brain with things that work through more positive and reasonable affirmations:

"It is ok that facing my fears didn't work before and I'll do my best so they work from now on".
"It is ok to have anxiety attacks, I can deal with it much better now".
"I wasn't comfortable with myself before, true, but now I am getting much more comfortable".
"I used to make me feel sick and depressed, but now I understand much better, and I am focusing more on positive thoughts and feelings".
"It brought me down, ok, no big deal. I am up again and ready to deal with it".
"It is ok if I have another panic attack, I accept that because I will be able to deal with it much better"
"I was already dealing with panic attack really well, and I will be able to deal with it even much better because now I know how"
"Panic attacks are ok, no big deal, they are actually quite interesting" (attempting to rationalize and minimize with logic)

2. Keep practice good feelings, relaxation, meditation. Good/positive feelings. First at home, then when you are among people. Practice slow and deep meditative breathing (home and among people). Panic attacks can actually be caused by high oxygen in your brain, as you are breathing very fast your oxygen level increases and your brain starts to "panic" (thus breathing into paper bag may help as you are re-breathing more CO2 and less oxygen)

3. Use systematic desensitization. If something specific causes you high anxiety try to overcome it by systematically exposing yourself to it (e.g. if girls cause you high anxiety, start slowly approaching one or two, then gradually increase the number. Maybe another of your trigger is to be alone (in the woods, in the shower,...). See how much time you can be alone while remaining comfortable.

4. Plan ahead what you are going to do when you start feeling that you are getting panic attack, have exact plan ready: Leave the situation, call friend, slower deep breathing (into paper bag), ...

5. Accept the panic attacks/high anxiety. If you try to fight them it will increase you anxiety as you will fear that you will be overwhelmed. Acceptance of anxiety may actually calm you down, thus avoid the attacks.

"It is perfectly OK to experience panic attacks".
"I'm ok with panic attacks, they can come and go, no big deal"

6. You can use some NLP (visualization) techniques. It would be quite long to write about it, it is much easier if you google it


So, you have lots of "tools" to deal with it: you have the understanding, you can make clear plan and can easily keep practicing the above...

Hope it helps
Dude thank you so much man, this is a lot of information. I will definitely try some of this. Very much appreciated. Question, have you dealt with anxiety attacks ever before?
 

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ray_zorse said:
Dude I wasn't sure if I had anything useful to add to this thread but then I spotted this in your comments on the main site:
Then one day while all alone i was smoking some weed and got into some deep thoughts about how my anxiety used to be. I ended up vividly remembering it and then i ended up having an anxiety attack for the first in forever.
This was actually the first thing that occurred to me when I read your post in the first place, is weed involved? You're not aware that weed makes (many) people paranoid which leads to anxiety attacks in extreme cases? (Which can then become self reinforcing).

I experienced regular panic attacks when I joined a basketball team as a young adult, even though I had played basketball since I was like 8 and had nothing to actually fear, yet every time Wednesday rolled around I would be experiencing strong physical symptoms, getting elevated heart rate, hyperventilation, sweating, diarrhoea and vomiting in the toilet in the hours leading up to training. Well I would force myself to go (usually) and it would go fine. Well guess what, I was smoking weed every day, I tried not smoking on Wednesdays but this didn't really help, weed (like porn) does actually change your brain chemistry in ways that take time to recover, not to mention the self reinforcing side which only goes away when you collect some positive reference experiences.

I quit basketball when the team disbanded after 2 seasons and never really dealt with the anxiety properly (had other anxiety issues though not as bad) but haven't had any attacks since quitting the weed in 2006 even though I regularly do much more challenging activities than just playing basketball!!

BTW if you are mixing with tobacco then get ahold of Allen Carr's book "the easy way to quit smoking" and adapt the principles to your situation. There's a US edition for cheap on Amazon and probably a Kindle edition too. Allen Carr is (was) basically the Chase Amante of understanding nicotine addiction, if you apply the book correctly you cannot fail.

cheers, Ray
The first one i had 3 years ago was when i was smoking a bunch of weed just like normal with a few friends having a great time when my brother walked in the room and reminded me that we had to go to eat dinner at my dads in only a half hr. I had been there for dinner high many times before and it was always fine but probably never smoked as much as this time and my brother seemed worried that i was going to be too high, my friend joked, "HAHAHA your step mom is definitely gonna know!" Right then my mood completely changed in a second to panic. Was filled with adrenaline and a pounding heart and my face got all hot and red and i was shaking. I never really recovered ever from that panic attack right there, even the next day when sober i felt nervous for absolutely no reason and i had no idea what was going on. Then they started happening all the time when smoking, i stopped smoking so much but they started happening even when sober. I blamed weed for the whole thing starting in the first place. But then when i started feeling anxious when sober i figured that it wasn't really the weed that did it. I started rationalizing that it would have happened to me eventually even without smoking. So i kept smoking and every once in a while i would experience an anxiety free high and when youre not anxious, being high from weed is too amazing.

And yes 3 months ago when i had my first one again in a while i was actually smoking kief and was super high.

This is making me sick to my stomach thinking that the whole reason i ever started having anxiety attacks in the first place is because of weed. I wish i had a time machine. But thats only more negative self talk.

I think i might as well quit for good
 

Drck

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Great point ray_zorse. Be careful with weed and other drugs. The correlation with anxiety might be quite complex, but apparently it can cause panic attacks in some people.

Weed is also considered as a gateway for using other drugs. Person with addictive personality may start using weed and then switch to stronger substances. Actually a lot of people addicted to alcohol or drugs have underlying anxiety and depression, and by using substances they are really just trying to self medicate themselves, they just want to calm down the anxiety (or elate mood when depressed)...

Drugs such as benzos (Xanax) can suppress mood and calm the person down, so they are usually used as medication for anxiety and panic attacks. With prolonged use and abrupt stop they can also have severe withdrawal symptoms which are the exact opposite of their purpose, e.g. they increase your anxiety. If your panic attack threshold is already low, this kind of rebound anxiety may easily go over and trigger the panic attack. Weed usually calms down mood as well, however there could be different reactions in different individuals, which is most likely your case...
 

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Drck said:
Great point ray_zorse. Be careful with weed and other drugs. The correlation with anxiety might be quite complex, but apparently it can cause panic attacks in some people.

Weed is also considered as a gateway for using other drugs. Person with addictive personality may start using weed and then switch to stronger substances. Actually a lot of people addicted to alcohol or drugs have underlying anxiety and depression, and by using substances they are really just trying to self medicate themselves, they just want to calm down the anxiety (or elate mood when depressed)...

Drugs such as benzos (Xanax) can suppress mood and calm the person down, so they are usually used as medication for anxiety and panic attacks. With prolonged use and abrupt stop they can also have severe withdrawal symptoms which are the exact opposite of their purpose, e.g. they increase your anxiety. If your panic attack threshold is already low, this kind of rebound anxiety may easily go over and trigger the panic attack. Weed usually calms down mood as well, however there could be different reactions in different individuals, which is most likely your case...
I never smoked weed to calm underlying problems. I didn't have any underlying problems. Weed just made life even more fun until it started having the opposite effect.

The idea of using medication sounds really scary to me, i don't think i will do that.

Drck, have you experienced anxiety attacks before?
 

Drck

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Never had panic attack but been around people who suffer. I used to have quite high anxiety when I was younger, somehow I was able to calm myself down mostly through reading, esp. psychology and Buddhism. Also did martial arts for some time, relaxation and merit action was a big part of it.
 
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Hey Dylweed, first of all I would like to say congrats on your progress on pickup. You accomplished of what my ultimate goal is at the moment. Second of all, weed is the main cause of your anxiety attacks. It started with the weed and it came back with it. Why I am so positive is because I experienced the same thing. I think you just don't want to give it up completely but you're going to have to. Your anxiety won't go away immediately but it will be much better after a while you've stopped. Smoking will only make it worse. I can tell you all this but you have to listen to that small voice in your head and make the right choice. And I think you know what that is. Good luck!
 

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I'm gonna add my two cents to this even though i have only skimmed the other replies.

first, weed. that's definitely part of the problem. personally I smoke a lot of weed. i can deal with it well now, in fact i find it helps me tremendously. but years back (i was about 27, for reference, dunno how old you are) I went through a stage where i would get very paranoid, every time i smoked i would find myself going down the rabbit hole, thinking dark thoughts, about myself, my fuckups, failures, what a loser i am and all that.
the way i dealt with it is not for everybody - i decided that i was stronger than that, mentally, and one night i just basically smoked my way through the paranoia.

anyway, like i said, not for everyone, and what i was suffering from might not be described as anxiety attacks. i don't know. probably best for most people (and you) if they just avoid weed altogether, if that's the effect it's having.


now, i'm probably gonna get some stick for what i'm about to say next, but i'm gonna say it anyway.

L-theanine

phenibut


do your research on these two anxiolytic drugs. they are both legal, safe (ish, in the case of phenibut) (theanine is green-tea extract)

i highly recommend phenibut, when i take it i am almost the best person i can be (it's subtle, not jekyll and hide extreme, in fact no-one would ever know i had taken a "drug") and it has shown me what's possible as an individual, so much so that feel that now i'm a better person generally, when i haven't taken it. i can honestly say that phenibut changed my life for the better.
it's not to be taken lightly - there is evidence of habit-forming and withdrawal symptoms. i personally have experienced NO negative effects.
i only take it every now and again, once a week at most, usually much less frequently. i use it as a party aid. it really gives me an edge, socially. but i'm also very self-aware and confident that i can use drugs for their benefits, without abuse.
 
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