Anybody familiar with How to be 3% Man?

[Mali]

Hi guys, anybody here familiar with “How to be 3% Man” by Corey Wayne?

The 3% Man seems to be a solid strategy, simplified ‘game’ or style which might work quite well for older or more mature guys. The main difference I see is that GirlsChase is like a never ending rabbit whole, you read one article and each has links to other articles. All good, great, but too much work and never ending self improvement. 3% Man seems to be simplified but IMHO quite effective strategy to get quality girls. If I can summarize 3% Man book to just couple sentences:

• Increase your Alpha Male attitude. Some fundamentals projecting Alpha Male attitude are expected. As an Alpha Male you are projecting you have choices, you can walk away from any women, you are not needy, you work on your life mission etc.
• Abundance Mentality: “Dating is a number Game” attitude, the more women you meet and interact with the higher the likelihood that you will find one who is quite interested in you. In essence, why bother with self improvement, simply keep meeting new women until you meet your match
• Walk away from women who have low interest in you, don’t waste your time with seduction. Women either see you as attractive enough so they will go out with you, and if not why waste your time seducing them or with self improvement? (Here I’m assuming already decent work in self improvement over years, fundamentals, being fit etc.)
• Be dominant and leading, setting up dates fast etc
• You don’t text at all, only to setup dates
• If she wants to go away, let her go away. If or when she comes back, simply offer another date.
• You only accept two No to dates, you let her go. If she comes back let her do most work and suggest another date
• Have her do most of the investing like talking, contacting you etc, about 80%. This one I have issues with. If you are a guy with 7-8 value on relative attraction scale (or your overall sexual market value is 7-8), it’s easy to get woman you perceive as 5-6, (maybe some 7-8 if she is attracted enough) to act like that. Once she matches your level, say 7-8, things start changing. Woman that is perceived as 8-9 will have many more options in mates than you, you are not the only attractive guy she knows, she probably keeps another 5 guys around her as potential mates while seeking 10. She is not going to be calling you and chasing you around because she can easily contact number of other guys who she perceives as attractive as you, and smart women do that. 9 will likely don’t bother to chase you at all, unless she perceives you as more valuable than she is. Let’s face it, none of us is 10. These are just relative values that are dynamic and change over time on sexual market, but we as guys do have some limitations. For example, if her height is 5’6”, a guy who is 6’2” is perceived by her as more attractive (or as higher value) than 5’6” guy, giving everything else is the same. So the guy who is 7-8 value and who meets 8-9 value woman has to do some investing, some chasing, otherwise he will remain on the same level like the other 5 guys that she might be interested in. In this case, 3% Man would likely walk away, but which sane guy wants to walk away from 9? How to invest into her without chasing her away?

Thanks!

 

[StrayDog]

Hi guys, anybody here familiar with “How to be 3% Man” by Corey Wayne?

The 3% Man seems to be a solid strategy, simplified ‘game’ or style which might work quite well for older or more mature guys. The main difference I see is that GirlsChase is like a never ending rabbit whole, you read one article and each has links to other articles. All good, great, but too much work and never ending self improvement.

self improvement IS never ending by nature. You either keep improving, or you don't. I can understand wanting a simple knowledge base, but you can't just have some rigid, reduced system and get the best results. Out in field nobody is going to be there to hold your hand and walk you through things. You need strategic flexibility. Pickup is a technical game. The more tech you have the more adaptive you can be.

Like really? Corey Wayne doesn't even talk about fundamentals. He just says the same thing over and over again. He doesn't even tell you how to meet and approach women, how to hook them, lead the conversation, lead dates to the bedroom, gambits to create arousal, frames, escalation, handle objections...

 

[Mali]

self improvement IS never ending by nature. I can understand wanting a simple knowledge base, but you can't just have some rigid, reduced system and get the best results. You need strategic flexibility. Pickup is a technical game. The more tech you have the more adaptive you can be.

Like really? Corey Wayne doesn't even talk about fundamentals. He just says the same thing over and over again. He doesn't even tell you how to meet and approach women, how to hook them, lead the conversation, lead dates to the bedroom, escalate, handle objections...

In my opinion, if you have enough confidence you can simply talk about what you want with women. You approach her and say Hi. There is nothing on it (with confidence). But that’s what I mentioned, it is kind of Alpha Male Style, you walk through the life without apology. You approach as Alpha Male (confident, good body language, solid eye contact, smile. Say Hi and then whatever). The woman either likes you or not, if she likes you you invite her for a date. If not, you smile and walk away, and approach another one, till you meet your match…

I don’t want to say that this is advanced strategy, but it might be much easier for older guys in their 30-40s who already have some experience vs younger guys. You cannot really be Alpha Male without some self improvement, accomplishments, social and dating experience, you would be only faking it. Women uncover fakes really fast with their sh*t tests. Think about it, pretty girl is approached many times by many guys during average week, she learns to screen guys for real vs fake confidence very fast

 

[StrayDog]

In my opinion, if you have enough confidence you can simply talk about what you want with women. You approach her and say Hi. There is nothing on it (with confidence). But that’s what I mentioned, it is kind of Alpha Male Style, you walk through the life without apology. You approach as Alpha Male (confident, good body language, solid eye contact, smile. Say Hi and then whatever). The woman either likes you or not, if she likes you you invite her for a date. If not, you smile and walk away, and approach another one, till you meet your match…

This 'she either likes you or she doesn't' thing that is so popular these days is so false. You have to create the opportunity for her to discover how she feels about you, and this beyond just walking up and saying hello. Connecting with an other person is an unfolding process not just a rigid numbers game slot machine pull a lever meet your match win a prize game. There are tools and strategies that aid in the facilitation of this unfolding process. Sure tech isn't all there is to game. A huge piece of it is just how you vibe with someone. She likes you or she doesn't is so reductionist and offers no real applicable skills to the social art of seduction or relationship management.

 

[Skills]

Hi guys, anybody here familiar with “How to be 3% Man” by Corey Wayne?

The 3% Man seems to be a solid strategy, simplified ‘game’ or style which might work quite well for older or more mature guys. The main difference I see is that GirlsChase is like a never ending rabbit whole, you read one article and each has links to other articles. All good, great, but too much work and never ending self improvement. 3% Man seems to be simplified but IMHO quite effective strategy to get quality girls. If I can summarize 3% Man book to just couple sentences:

• Increase your Alpha Male attitude. Some fundamentals projecting Alpha Male attitude are expected. As an Alpha Male you are projecting you have choices, you can walk away from any women, you are not needy, you work on your life mission etc.
• Abundance Mentality: “Dating is a number Game” attitude, the more women you meet and interact with the higher the likelihood that you will find one who is quite interested in you. In essence, why bother with self improvement, simply keep meeting new women until you meet your match
• Walk away from women who have low interest in you, don’t waste your time with seduction. Women either see you as attractive enough so they will go out with you, and if not why waste your time seducing them or with self improvement? (Here I’m assuming already decent work in self improvement over years, fundamentals, being fit etc.)
• Be dominant and leading, setting up dates fast etc
• You don’t text at all, only to setup dates
• If she wants to go away, let her go away. If or when she comes back, simply offer another date.
• You only accept two No to dates, you let her go. If she comes back let her do most work and suggest another date
• Have her do most of the investing like talking, contacting you etc, about 80%. This one I have issues with. If you are a guy with 7-8 value on relative attraction scale (or your overall sexual market value is 7-8), it’s easy to get woman you perceive as 5-6, (maybe some 7-8 if she is attracted enough) to act like that. Once she matches your level, say 7-8, things start changing. Woman that is perceived as 8-9 will have many more options in mates than you, you are not the only attractive guy she knows, she probably keeps another 5 guys around her as potential mates while seeking 10. She is not going to be calling you and chasing you around because she can easily contact number of other guys who she perceives as attractive as you, and smart women do that. 9 will likely don’t bother to chase you at all, unless she perceives you as more valuable than she is. Let’s face it, none of us is 10. These are just relative values that are dynamic and change over time on sexual market, but we as guys do have some limitations. For example, if her height is 5’6”, a guy who is 6’2” is perceived by her as more attractive (or as higher value) than 5’6” guy, giving everything else is the same. So the guy who is 7-8 value and who meets 8-9 value woman has to do some investing, some chasing, otherwise he will remain on the same level like the other 5 guys that she might be interested in. In this case, 3% Man would likely walk away, but which sane guy wants to walk away from 9? How to invest into her without chasing her away?

Thanks!

weak as fuck! jesus christ, get lucky game...

 

[ulrich]

It’s a gross over simplification.

Many of the points Corey Wayne makes are actually pretty good but he is also missing a lot (and I mean A LOT) of nuance about seduction.

I would say, this is a guide to quick convenient seductions given that you are already highly attractive (top 10%) and meeting women regularly.

This guide will fail in all these too common scenarios:
- Your life revolves around a job with a terrible male/female ratio (engineering, etc).
- You live in a place where women are culturally entitled.
- You have non-standard appearance that is interpreted as low value (certain races in some countries)
- You have lower than average social skills

Besides this, focusing in monetary success while ignoring the social nuances of seduction puts you in danger of being targeted by gold diggers.

Want a hot wife who really doesn’t care much about you, is prone to cheat and is an expert at manipulating you? This is a good recipe.

So… if getting the best possible women in your life is not one of your priorities, this may be a good guide to lower your mental investment in the subject and just coast it.
You get to focus on your “success” at the cost of a suboptimal woman.
Not terrible, but also not great.

 

[Mali]

This 'she either likes you or she doesn't' thing that is so popular these days is so false. You have to create the opportunity for her to discover how she feels about you, and this beyond just walking up and saying hello. Connecting with an other person is an unfolding process not just a rigid numbers game slot machine pull a lever meet your match win a prize game.

Sure, I get that. I can’t really simplify that book into couple sentences, but you are making a good point. You just read her Interest level (she either likes you or don’t). If the attraction level is high, at least above 5, she may eventually accept the date. If it is below 5, you have no chance no matter what you do. So the screening process is, if she has 5-6 interest in you you still have to do lots of seduction (connecting with her, discover how she feels about you as you describe and so forth). The higher the number the less seduction Is needed, so ideally she would be at 6-7, and rare occasions 8, that’s when she approaches you, she is interested in you etc. So you are screening for at least 6-7, that’s when she is not hesitant to give you number and set date. You don’t bother with 5 or low 6. When she is 8-9 that’s when she is calling you, pursuing you…

Regarding interest level (in you) we don’t really know if she has BF, if she is interested in dating, if she really likes you or not physically, there are many variables. You probably don’t care about women that is on 4-5 on your scale either, and you just don’t know how she perceives you

 

[Mali]

weak as fuck! jesus christ, get lucky game...

Meaning

 

[Mali]

It’s a gross over simplification.

Many of the points Corey Wayne makes are actually pretty good but he is also missing a lot (and I mean A LOT) of nuance about seduction.

I would say, this is a guide to quick convenient seductions given that you are already highly attractive (top 10%) and meeting women regularly.

This guide will fail in all these too common scenarios:
- Your life revolves around a job with a terrible male/female ratio (engineering, etc).
- You live in a place where women are culturally entitled.
- You have non-standard appearance that is interpreted as low value (certain races in some countries)
- You have lower than average social skills

Besides this, focusing in monetary success while ignoring the social nuances of seduction puts you in danger of being targeted by gold diggers.

Want a hot wife who really doesn’t care much about you, is prone to cheat and is an expert at manipulating you? This is a good recipe.

So… if getting the best possible women in your life is not one of your priorities, this may be a good guide to lower your mental investment in the subject and just coast it.
You get to focus on your “success” at the cost of a suboptimal woman.
Not terrible, but also not great.

Though I agree with you, you also continue to screen all the time for what you want, and if you don’t like the woman you simply move on. I don’t think there is anybody who wants hot wife that doesn’t care

 

[StrayDog]

Sure, I get that. I can’t really simplify that book into couple sentences, but you are making a good point. You just read her Interest level (she either likes you or don’t). If the attraction level is high, at least above 5, she may eventually accept the date. If it is below 5, you have no chance no matter what you do. So the screening process is, if she has 5-6 interest in you you still have to do lots of seduction (connecting with her, discover how she feels about you as you describe and so forth). The higher the number the less seduction Is needed, so ideally she would be at 6-7, and rare occasions 8, that’s when she approaches you, she is interested in you etc. So you are screening for at least 6-7, that’s when she is not hesitant to give you number and set date. You don’t bother with 5 or low 6. When she is 8-9 that’s when she is calling you, pursuing you…

Regarding interest level (in you) we don’t really know if she has BF, if she is interested in dating, if she really likes you or not physically, there are many variables. You probably don’t care about women that is on 4-5 on your scale either, and you just don’t know how she perceives you

and how precisely do you know these convenient numbers that show her level of attraction? does she tell you out right? "my attraction for you right now is a 5" is there an LED screen in her eyes that flashes the number? Maybe a little meter on her shirt.

This is super reductionist, man. I get that screening for levels of interest is an element at play, but humans are dynamic. Maybe her "lack of interest" is because she is shy, or there is some big life event that is on her mind. Maybe if you are able to understand and address those things that appear to be "lack of interest" the meter on his shirt will go from red to green. rOr, as @ulrich pointed out, maybe her 'high interest' isn't high interest in the best relationship dynamic.

Humans are dynamic man, things fluctuate, are moving, flowing. You can't count on things always being one way or another. Things aren't always as they immediately appear. You have to do the dance.

 

[Mali]

and how precisely do you know these convenient numbers that show her level of attraction? does she tell you out right? "my attraction for you right now is a 5" is there an LED screen in her eyes that flashes the number? Maybe a little meter on her shirt.

This is super reductionist, man. I get that screening for levels of interest is an element at play, but humans are dynamic. Maybe her "lack of interest" is because she is shy, or there is some big life event that is on her mind. Maybe if you are able to understand and address those things that appear to be "lack of interest" the meter on his shirt will go from red to green. rOr, as @ulrich pointed out, maybe her 'high interest' isn't high interest in the best relationship dynamic.

Humans are dynamic man, things fluctuate, are moving, flowing. You can't count on things always being one way or another. Things aren't always as they immediately appear. You have to do the dance.

I copied some ‘indicators’ of different levels (according to the book). They may be overlapping, so women at level 9 can do things from level 6 or 7, but not the other way

0-4:
One of the things most guys do not understand is if a woman has no attraction to you, you have no chance of going out with her. You have no chance of her falling in love with you. When you ask her for a date, she won’t agree to a specific day or time, or she gives you the “call back to confirm” response. She won’t give you a specific date. She tells you she is busy. She doesn’t ask you personal questions. She sort of keeps her distance when she is talking to you. She is looking away, kind of disinterested.

5-6:
She will give you a hard time about giving you her personal information. She also may call at the last minute to try and get you to change the plans.

6-7:
This is usually the range where most girls that really like you will be. She will give you her contact information with little or no hesitation.

7-8:
She leans in close and bumps into you. She touches your arm. She is really interested in what you have to say and laughs at all your stupid jokes. If she is complimenting you

8-9:
She is calling you and pursuing you. She is saying: I can’t wait to see you again. She is pursuing you heavily, and calling you to say: I miss you. I can’t wait to see you. I had a great time last night. She gives you her contact information without you even asking. She will ask for advice about problems. That comes because she trusts you, and has a high level of confidence in you.

9-10:
Love starts at 9. She will say things like: Where is this going? Which means: When are we going to get married or become exclusive? If she says: I love you, that puts her in the 9 range. In this range, she is very affectionate.


5-6 are time consuming, require lots of skills. I’ve met couple 7-8. 8-9 only my old girlfriend. So 7-8 are ideal and realistic to meet, 8-9 she probably has to know you already from the past or work. 5-6, according to Corey, waste of time, lots of effort with low return of investment. Below 5 you have no chance.

 

[StrayDog]

She tells you she is busy.

maybe she is busy. Maybe you are not the priority yet. Doesn't mean she is a waste of time.

She doesn’t ask you personal questions.

maybe she is shy, maybe she isn't the best at asking questions, maybe she has a conversation style that is more about each person sharing rather than asking.

She sort of keeps her distance when she is talking to you.

maybe she doesn't feel comfortable enough yet to get closer, she is feeling you out. Maybe she didn't shower that day and is worried she stinks. Maybe you stink.

She is looking away, kind of disinterested.

Have you done enough to hook her? maybe she has something on her mind troubling her and if you say "Hey, looks like you have something on your mind" she will express what it is and you can move past it.

5-6:
She will give you a hard time about giving you her personal information.

Maybe you skipped a step and jumped the gun when you asked, she still need a couple more moments to feel comfortable/a sense if connection. What, do you just walk up to someone and say 'give me your number' and except an immediate connection. No. you have to build a connection. How do you build a connection? Just by being a cool alpha guy? At what point should she be interested/show interest? right away, just by looking at you? after talking for a minute? two minutes? at the sound of the bell?

She also may call at the last minute to try and get you to change the plans.

maybe she has a reason for changing plans. Maybe she likes you but the date idea doesn't appeal to her (this is something that can be addressed)

These are just a few examples I am laying out, but the point is that things aren't always as they appear. Yes not all woman are going to be interested in you, and you don't want to waste time or harass unwilling parties. But dude, this system is reductionist. It doesn't to see the forest for the trees. It sees interest levels as numbers, and not the dynamic push pull dance of life that it is.

6-7:
This is usually the range where most girls that really like you will be. She will give you her contact information with little or no hesitation.

7-8:
She leans in close and bumps into you. She touches your arm. She is really interested in what you have to say and laughs at all your stupid jokes. If she is complimenting you

8-9:
She is calling you and pursuing you. She is saying: I can’t wait to see you again. She is pursuing you heavily, and calling you to say: I miss you. I can’t wait to see you. I had a great time last night. She gives you her contact information without you even asking. She will ask for advice about problems. That comes because she trusts you, and has a high level of confidence in you.

9-10:
Love starts at 9. She will say things like: Where is this going? Which means: When are we going to get married or become exclusive? If she says: I love you, that puts her in the 9 range. In this range, she is very affectionate.


5-6 are time consuming, require lots of skills. I’ve met couple 7-8. 8-9 only my old girlfriend. So 7-8 are ideal and realistic to meet, 8-9 she probably has to know you already from the past or work. 5-6, according to Corey, waste of time, lots of effort with low return of investment. Below 5 you have no chance.

yes this are all good indicators of interest but it doesn't address what causes her to be interested, or how to create the conditions that allow that interest to build. Just cause you're a 'cool alpha guy who doesn't mind walking away'

 

[DarkKnight]

Hi guys, anybody here familiar with “How to be 3% Man” by Corey Wayne?

The entire skilled seducer chat, is very familiar with Corey "Chad" Wayne. You should just ask, honest to God I would love it if that guy joined this place, would be a blast.

That being said:

The main difference I see is that GirlsChase is like a never ending rabbit whole, you read one article and each has links to other articles. All good, great, but too much work and never ending self improvement

How else would you want to achieve mastery? I understand what you mean you want to get a certain magic bullet and then get girls, but if you want to get top tier girls (3% if you will) it is better to be very good with this instead of just sufficient. Also it just raises your odds.

Or you can read Coreys book 13 to 14 times and hope it will help. Still a lot of work if you ask me

 

[ulrich]

Though I agree with you, you also continue to screen all the time for what you want, and if you don’t like the woman you simply move on. I don’t think there is anybody who wants hot wife that doesn’t care

Well, there are many guys who don’t know how to screen and a whole class of women trained to look like they are exactly the perfect wife and push affluent guys to marry them ASAP.

That’s where my concern lies.

 

[Calibration]

Hi guys, anybody here familiar with “How to be 3% Man” by Corey Wayne?

The 3% Man seems to be a solid strategy, simplified ‘game’ or style which might work quite well for older or more mature guys. The main difference I see is that GirlsChase is like a never ending rabbit whole, you read one article and each has links to other articles. All good, great, but too much work and never ending self improvement. 3% Man seems to be simplified but IMHO quite effective strategy to get quality girls. If I can summarize 3% Man book to just couple sentences:

• Increase your Alpha Male attitude. Some fundamentals projecting Alpha Male attitude are expected. As an Alpha Male you are projecting you have choices, you can walk away from any women, you are not needy, you work on your life mission etc.
• Abundance Mentality: “Dating is a number Game” attitude, the more women you meet and interact with the higher the likelihood that you will find one who is quite interested in you. In essence, why bother with self improvement, simply keep meeting new women until you meet your match
• Walk away from women who have low interest in you, don’t waste your time with seduction. Women either see you as attractive enough so they will go out with you, and if not why waste your time seducing them or with self improvement? (Here I’m assuming already decent work in self improvement over years, fundamentals, being fit etc.)
• Be dominant and leading, setting up dates fast etc
• You don’t text at all, only to setup dates
• If she wants to go away, let her go away. If or when she comes back, simply offer another date.
• You only accept two No to dates, you let her go. If she comes back let her do most work and suggest another date
• Have her do most of the investing like talking, contacting you etc, about 80%. This one I have issues with. If you are a guy with 7-8 value on relative attraction scale (or your overall sexual market value is 7-8), it’s easy to get woman you perceive as 5-6, (maybe some 7-8 if she is attracted enough) to act like that. Once she matches your level, say 7-8, things start changing. Woman that is perceived as 8-9 will have many more options in mates than you, you are not the only attractive guy she knows, she probably keeps another 5 guys around her as potential mates while seeking 10. She is not going to be calling you and chasing you around because she can easily contact number of other guys who she perceives as attractive as you, and smart women do that. 9 will likely don’t bother to chase you at all, unless she perceives you as more valuable than she is. Let’s face it, none of us is 10. These are just relative values that are dynamic and change over time on sexual market, but we as guys do have some limitations. For example, if her height is 5’6”, a guy who is 6’2” is perceived by her as more attractive (or as higher value) than 5’6” guy, giving everything else is the same. So the guy who is 7-8 value and who meets 8-9 value woman has to do some investing, some chasing, otherwise he will remain on the same level like the other 5 guys that she might be interested in. In this case, 3% Man would likely walk away, but which sane guy wants to walk away from 9? How to invest into her without chasing her away?

Thanks!

I've read his book... Once. Not over and over like he recommends and for the love of God I haven't shared that with my family and friends and I haven't even made a donation to his YouTube channel.

To answer your question, Game is not played to generate attraction. Game is played when attraction is already there.

A perfect analogy for seduction is chess. You can play chess only if you have an opponent (even a computer) which is analogous to a girl willing to play the seduction game. She agrees to play only when there is attraction. Once the game starts, you have to make the right moves, use the right pieces at the right time, think at least 2 steps ahead, save your Queen at all costs etc to end up check mating (or mating). You get the idea.

Going by Corey Wayne's advice, there is no problem in meeting girls but if your end goal is to fuck her, his advice won't suffice. I've known guys going out and grinding a lot to meet a lot of girls but not end up in bed with her.

I'm guilty of being one of those who was freestyling and have approached 1000s of girls. I've had ok results in the past but that's not efficient and if you have to maximize your ROI then you need to have a strategy, tips and tricks to navigate the journey, addressing wild cards, know what you're doing and many more which you can't do with just approaching and finding out. A 10 interest girl will become 1 in a matter of one needy text you send her.

I'd think learning game is lot easier when compared to the time and effort spent in approaching 1000s of girls to just find out her interest level. I guess this is what @Skills meant by weak strategy and you're just relying on luck by approaching 1000 women to find one who says yes and hopefully everything goes well until you're deep inside of her.