Anyone in here experienced success with blonde bombshells before?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I grew up liking these kinds of girls and early on loved many of them. Even having come so far in the game I have not had any luck with them. I would love to see what guys in here who have been having luck with them are doing. It seems like these girls commonly go for White guys or in some cases Black guys who have good looks, I am neither.

Chase said something about trying a chinstrap and soul patch which I am going to try. So far I know my biggest setback is one that I cannot change (the fact that I am Brown) but I would like to try and see what it takes to still do well with these kinds of women.

 

[Marty]

Hey Oh Pry:

Here's a radical idea for you... Why don't you get out there, actually do some work, and post a couple field reports?

It may have escaped your notice that the folks on here who started as beginners and are working their asses off are now showing real results. PrettyDecent, Ozzo, Determined and Mr. Rob spring to mind, but there are others too.

I am working slightly less hard, and consequently getting somewhat poorer results, but it's still progress.

Want some homework? Go open 25 girls in cold approach, note down the results in a log book, and come back and ask us all the questions you have when you've done it.

It may take you a couple months, but we'll still be here when you get back!

Good luck
-Marty

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Marty, it is specifically that I have gone out there, gotten rejected, and not had success that I am coming here asking for advice. I am not a beginner as I have been at this for almost 5 years now and I have had success with various niches of women out there but the ones I have always like (focus of OP) are the ones I am seeing terrible results with. There is no advice on google or anywhere online on how to do well with such girls.

 

[DesiBro]

It seems that your limiting beliefs are very, very strong. So perhaps you should just let move on.

Go out and improve your skills with non-blonde bombshell girls to the point where you don't consider yourself a beginner anymore, and then come back to this issue.

Aim to reach the point where you can effortlessly cold approach and close smoking hot latinas or asians or whatever in no time at all. When you have that kind of skillset, you'll be able to demonstrate to yourself that blonde bombshells are no different.

 

[Marty]

Oh Pry,

Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that yes, you're an expert with, say, brunettes, just not so much with the blondes. Okay.

Then post up a few LRs with non-blonde bombshells as well as some recent FUs with blonde bombshells, and I'm sure the advanced crowd here will share their wisdom with you.

Look, my dear fellow, I'm not so much of a fool as to think that blonde bombshells have their brains wired different than the rest of us, and I don't think you are either. It's probably more that you like them so much, you're coming across needy when you open them.

I've been rebuked on here often for that exact mistake, except that in my case, it's not just blonde bombshells, it's all beautiful women that I adore much, much too much. One user who is a friend of mine actually PMed me to criticize me for being so much in love with women, he thought it was affecting my results and he was right.

One way you can address that is to do a month-long blitz on blonde bombshells, after which they will seem that much less exotic—just as I am doing with undergraduates.

I'll share a little story with you. Wednesday I was in a Publix grocery store when I saw a girl who from a distance looked pretty nice... gorgeous auburn hair, very curvy figure in the sort of "Dutch" style if you know what I mean (massive childbearing hips whilst generally very slim), otherwise petite. At a safe distance, the face seemed acceptable. I reckoned I'd be just fine... just a little practice, if you know what I mean. I even toyed with the idea of passing her up, but figured I needed all the exposure I could get.

I opened her and she turned to lock eyes with me. I almost fainted. She turned to be about the most gorgeous little thing I'd seen in months. Her limpid cerulean eyes held mine for less than a second and I was in love... notwithstanding the fact that I do this with lesser girls every day, hardly needing to think about it.

I went to pieces over my direct opener and basically started telling her how inexpressibly delectable she was. She looked at me with amusement and we kept up normal conversation for perhaps two minutes. When I asked her out, inevitably, she shot me down with a simple "No thank you"... not even bothering with a boyfriend objection. I'd upped her value so crazily that she figured I must not be worth even considering.

If that's anywhere near the effect blonde bombshells are having on you, you're not going to make much progress until you "inoculate" yourself against them a bit

-Marty

 

[-B-]

If these "blonde bombshells" you are shooting for are not head and shoulders above the girls you have success with in terms of value (and its actually just a difference in hair & skin color) I really think this is not an issue at all of "how to get" and "what to do differently" with "blond bombshells". I think the problem for you with these types of girls is completely internal and mindset related

You might be unintentionally putting those kinds of girls up on a pedestal in your mind because you want them bad. One thing I have noticed at least in my own experience with girls is you usually NEVER get the ones you find "HOT" or the ones you REALLY want (at least until you get your mindset fixed) because you are treating them different then other girls (unconsciously playing UP to them, "trying harder" to "get" and impress them).

Really analyze your actions and make sure you are being exactly the same (and have the same mindset) that you do with these other girls that you are finding success with (you are not trying harder). And try to change your mental perception of these "blonde bombshells" (and knock them down a peg in your mind so they don't seem so great)

You have to really watch your perception of women when it comes to your "type" or girls you really have a thing for. You need to TRULY BELIEVE you are equal or even superior to the girl to naturally exude the strength, outcome independence, and authority that she will find attractive

*edit- after i posted this I realized that marty covered much of what i thought immediately above

 

[-B-]

Actually it just hit me now... i can DEFINITELY see that this is the problem just by the title in the way you refer to them as "BOMBSHELLS" LOL. They are just girls with lighter colored hair man. treat them that way

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Hay guys I know I have bitched about this a few times because it has been bothering me. I just want to be with a blonde right now because that is just what I am into for some reason. I have this stubborn personality thing going on where I have a tough time adjusting my tastes, it is almost like accepting defeat to me so I will give you guys an insight into the kind of guy I am.

Now I am typically more easygoing, social, extroverted, more smile than frown, and haven't been called a douchebag my entire life. This has led to women from ALL minority groups and foreign White women (non-anglo, more eastern european and even some french girls I have known) loving me, I have had a lot of success with them with being that way. Unfortunately foreign white girls are rare in my area (wish they were more common!!!!). What I am thinking is maybe I need to change up my vibe but I am afraid it may take more than that.

It is not like I am fainting when I see these women but yes I am getting jitters and the inner feeling that I am not good enough for them because I have never seen a guy that looks like me (desi) do amazing with these girls. Also I don't think I am some male mode prettyboy or guy with a pro sports contract in his future.

I had to specify and say "blonde bombshell" because if I said blonde then it would have been just a hair color. An average looking blonde is just a blonde, a Hayden Panetierre or a Torrie Wilson (who is dating a latino btw, but A Rod looks like a mix between black and white to me) is a blonde bombshell. Can see where you are coming from when you say we never really get the kind of women we really desire though my experience has been slightly different. When I had a thing for Latin girls, I saw immediate results with them. I also knew that I could easily pass for a Latino and my transition into dating Latinas was easy.

Even just walking around seeing some couples and having friends that have dated latinas I noticed a trend. A lot of these guys have game, are fun loving, and they come in all shades. I have seen Asian, Brown, Black, Mixed, White, and almost every race of men imaginable date hot Latin women who seem to judge a man more by how he carries himself.

With the blonde bombshells I talk about, I typically see them with White guys who are the "prettyboys", white guys in frats, white guys who have the "douchey" vibe to them (MMA shirts and drive pickups), and occasionally Black guys that are good looking (top tier body and stylish). I have observed what kind of men it takes to do well with these women.

Now I have tried to internalize the whole experience but I have learned not to ignore reality. I know if I was to date a Latin girl right now as I have in the past, American society would not care. On the other hand I know if I was to hook up with a Margot Robbie, American society would definitely take notice and there would be much more animosity because of it.

I am afraid what is going on is that these girls don't see me as a part of their world and even if they did, they are so obsessed with their own self-image that I would not be able to get them off of being a part of their own world alone.

That is why I posted this thread, I want to know how I can overcome being a part of an ethnic group they probably view as unappealing and better my results with them.

So far taking them off the pedestal advice is solid but fucking shit I don't even know how to do that right now!!

 

[Grand Pooba]

I just want to be with a blonde right now because that is just what I am into for some reason. I have this stubborn personality thing going on where I have a tough time adjusting my tastes, it is almost like accepting defeat to me so I will give you guys an insight into the kind of guy I am.

With the blonde bombshells I talk about, I typically see them with White guys who are the "prettyboys", white guys in frats, white guys who have the "douchey" vibe to them (MMA shirts and drive pickups), and occasionally Black guys that are good looking (top tier body and stylish). I have observed what kind of men it takes to do well with these women.

Now I have tried to internalize the whole experience but I have learned not to ignore reality. I know if I was to date a Latin girl right now as I have in the past, American society would not care. On the other hand I know if I was to hook up with a Margot Robbie, American society would definitely take notice and there would be much more animosity because of it.

Your problem is primarily a mental mindset. It can be boiled to the following:

- I really want blonde bombshells, because they are amazing <placing a specific type of look on a pedestal, higher than others; treating these women as a mental prize>
- I really need one in my life <low self esteem; lack of abundance>
- I can't have one because they don't like guys like me, I dont look like the guys I see them with <low self esteem; strong limiting beliefs; attitude; internal mindset>

The first one puts too much pressure on you to succeed with them, and also drives them away because you're too invested too soon. You have a vivid imagination about them that will be hard for them to live up to.

The second one makes you seem desperate and needy. Neither of these is attractive in a man.

The third one is the worst, because you think you need to change the color of your skin to attract these women, and not just your fundamentals and attitude. You think they dont go for guys like you, and you believe it subconsciously. Therefore it turns into a self fulfilling prophecy, because you don't have faith and an open mind to yourself. You're judgemental to yourself.

All of these qualities are internal and in your head, and you need to fix them if you expect to get any success and results. Your thinking right now is poisonous to your success and self destructive, but in a way that blames external circumstances when in fact it is the way you are thinking about it that is the problem.

The fact is that you don't NEED a blonde bombshell, nor does she really need you. So your project is: How do I make myself self reliant, confident, and attractive/sexy enough to catch the attention of these women?

- Your fundamentals: dress, sex appeal, vibe, attitute.
- Your aura as a man: figure out what these girls like and build your life around their interests to a degree, but for your sake and not theirs. Like attracts like - if these women like preppy guys, then it might be time for you to experiment with that image and attitude.
- Put in the work to get good with women: cold approaching, moving fast, practicing and growing constantly, becoming an amazing lover, and everything else this site offers. Work hard to learn and get what you want. It will take a few months, if not a year.

Even if you approach 100 girls and 99% of them reject you, remember that YOU JUST NEED ONE! Even if you meet all these girls that don't date brown guys, if you approach and work on this enough you certainly WILL meet one or a few that are into you.

Also, for the record, I too am a Desi. And there are PLENTY of attractive white women that find brown guys exotic and alluring, and will sleep with you when you present yourself as an attractive, put together, progressive, open minded, and SEXUAL (subtlety is key) man. Keep in mind that brown male, white female is actually a pretty common interracial couple in the US, especially in the big, progressive cities.

The problem is rooted in your head. Fix that first, as you practice working on cold approach and your process.

 

[Eternity]

Yep. One was upper middle class and worked with me. Saw the b.f come visit her once, pretty boy like u mentioned above. Never mentioned him once when she kinoed and flirted with me hard. Fun days.

 

[Franco]

Keep in mind that brown male, white female is actually a pretty common interracial couple in the US, especially in the big, progressive cities.

On this note, Altair (another brown guy on the forums) had been posting about the same issue, OP. If you really feel like your vicinity is an issue (and it might be because of the pure scarcity of attractive white women), then try vacationing to another location and approaching attractive, white women there.

I told Altair that here in Southern California, there are plenty of attractive white girls in interracial relationships with all types of guys. As a matter of fact, if you can't succeed HERE with white women, I would go as far to say that it means you ability to adjust and improve your fundamentals is lacking. As a caution, there are many good-looking naturals here and the women are thick-skinned, but they are very much attracted to the most dominant men around (regardless of race or background). It would be a good way to find out if your fundamentals or your location is the issue.

- Franco

 

[-B-]

Okay I definitely see the validity in the points you made above. I had to look up desi to see what that was.

I have noticed that White American women seem to not sexually desire the indian, muslim, etc type of guys often at all. The reason i think this is... is not because of racism. But its more because of the fact that people are impressionable and can be influenced. In this case it is by the media. Girls most often desire the types of guys, and traits of guys that they are brainwashed to find attractive by the media over and over again by music, movies, sports. In this case there is a big craze of white suburban girls lusting after black guys. Tons of white girls i know want to "get with" a black guy and have a thing for them (especially the "harder" gangster type"). Its interesting because if you compare blacks and indians or muslims, they all have darker skin, they all are usually culturally different... but one isn't superior, or more valuable, or clearly a better mate choice than the other.

I believe what it is that girls are bombarded with influence from the media and just day to day life that black men are more attractive mates than indians and muslims. In the American media, black guys are portrayed as rap stars (they have style and "swag") they are always on the cutting edge of whats popular and are "inherantly" musically talented. They are also portrayed as athletes and physical specimens as blacks are extremely prominent in the NBA and NFL and the American sport crazed side of media

Now think of how pakistani and muslim men are portrayed in the american media on average..........yea.......

as shitty as it is the odds are stacked against you when it comes to american girls, even though its unfair and wrong.

What you can do about it

I would try to say remove as much of that cultural side from you as possible.

(i know you are not indian but im gonna use this as an example) Almost no American girls find an indian 7/11 style accent attractive as stereotypically unfair as it is.

safe bet would to be to try and make yourself as american as possible. Try to aquire a really good american impression accent and behave just like an american... The end result is that you won't seem very much like a "muslim".

OR you could try to just culturally deviate and turn yourself into something different thats not very recognizeable. American girls can tell you look different and ARE different but they cant put their finger on it and place you in a specific ethnic stereotype

Lastly you could just try to to be an imposter and pass yourself off as a latin living overseas with the accent and everything LOL (not completely serious about this one... but hey sometimes you gotta do crazy things to get crazy results

LASTLY

Remember that people are impressionable. Just as women's thoughts and desires can be influenced by the media they are bombarded with... They can be influenced by YOU and a your totally solid internal belief of self worth and value

TRULY AND ACTUALLY believe in yourself and the fact that YOU are a great option for THEM and they are lucky to have YOU, and you're set. If you believe you are then you are.

best of luck,

-B

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Wow, so much advice for me to take in and address.

First I am going to address the post that -B- made here:

When I said I have seen Black guys with Blonde bombshells, I don't mean any Black guy. I mean top tier Black men who look like Tyson Beckford and have a promising future ahead of them, I don't even mean the average Black guy and I did say occasionally. TBH I have found that even most Black guys I have known struggle with Blonde bombshells and have yet to meet any Latinos or East Asians that have had success with them. The whole White girls lusting after Black guys thing is an outdated stereotype, I have found many to be exclusively into White men. If a White guy dresses like a rapper or thug, he gets great results. As I have said, haven't known many of those White girls you speak of but it may differ by region.

Now as for the stereotypes. Well, I was born and raised here in the USA so I am American in every single way. When I said desi I did not mean my race, I meant more so my heritage. Some Americans have irish descent, mines is the descent I mentioned. So I am every bit like an American rather than some guy right out of some foreign country.

Overtime I have found some White American women to be into me but these were more educated kind of girls and girls with diverse tastes and hobbies. I am not aiming just for White girls, I am aiming for a certain niche and I do know my ethnic background is a huge setback in getting those girls as you mentioned.

THOSE are the girls who are media crazy and follow sports like there is no tomorrow, image focused and very conscious about their self-image. The kind of girls you see at sports bars and such. I am trying to have success with them and the truth is those are the girls who are least likely to try out a foreign looking man.

This thread is not about how being different looking sucks, it is about how a guy can overcome obstacles and get girls who are generally picky and don't initially see him as a dating option. How?

Which is why I asked about those girls in particular, what kind of game and adjustments need to be made to get them.

 

[Franco]

THOSE are the girls who are media crazy and follow sports like there is no tomorrow

Well, have you been following the media and learning about sports? Are you following that this week is the start of baseball and that the NFL draft begins in a month? Do you know who's currently first in their respective divisions in the NBA? Do you follow any teams? Do you understand the rules of each sport?

If you want to pick up girls of this type, then it would behoove you to become interested in their interests. Part of being able to connect with girls is to become worldly and understand different topics that women want to talk about or are around very often. I know a ton about sports, so I never have an issue connecting with a girl who does also. However, I know a LOT less about religion, and I'm somewhat lacking in some common political knowledge, but this doesn't bother me because the girls who talk about either of those topics tend to bore me anyway.

If you want this ONE specific type of girl so badly, then you really need to become part of their world to pick them up with any consistency.

- Franco

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

@Franco

Yes. I do watch a lot of sports, more football but some basketball too. Didn't do it for girls, did it to help fit in growing up. Even after that I am not having luck with these girls. I am making an effort and trying various things but I keep hitting brick walls when it comes to the blonde bombshell types and it is pushing limiting beliefs right into my head.

Seems like these girls just want to be at sporting events and sports bars for attention rather than a love of sports though, I get that impression. With this thread I am trying to get a better understanding of these kinds of women and get more ideas as to what kind of man I would have to be to have luck with them because the stuff I have tried has worked on the pretty Latina visiting America or the cute Brunette at a coffee shop, hasn't worked with these girls for some reason.

Ozzo I have read your post, will be writing up a reply to it soon. It was a great post too btw.

 

[Marty]

Franco:

If you want to pick up girls of this type, then it would behoove you to become interested in their interests.

Quick question... more for my own edification than anything else—would this not risk positioning a man as the "social guy" who fits in with her group, as opposed to the "sexy outsider" that Chase so often discusses, who has the power, should he so choose, to admit her to his world?

-Marty

 

[Franco]

Marty,

would this not risk positioning a man as the "social guy" who fits in with her group, as opposed to the "sexy outsider" that Chase so often discusses, who has the power, should he so choose, to admit her to his world?

I'm not sure what "risk" you are referring to by positioning yourself as someone who can fit in with group. I've stated before (specifically on your long, college game post) that you should always at least attempt to position yourself as someone who could "fit in" with her social group if you are able to. Now, the difference here might be how you present that information. You shouldn't be trying to qualify yourself by using your knowledge to validate that you know what she's talking about -- in other words, don't be "attention-seeking" with your knowledge of a topic. Instead, you should allow her to converse about certain topics and then challenge her (or indirectly show her) that you have knowledge of the topic by delving into the details of it and asking her why she views things one way as opposed to another (for example). The more you can connect with a girl when it comes to conversation, the better. "Worldly" men who dabble in a bit of everything are attractive and come across as very experienced and intriguing to women.

A "sexy outsider" isn't someone who doesn't know anything about the environment he's in -- that's just a creepy guy who's out of place. It would be awkward to walk into a sports bar and talk to a guy (standing alone) who doesn't know anything about sports. It's incongruent. A sexy outsider is just willing to move things forward quickly, unlike other, regular men who assume that a "connection" on a topic should be milked until it is completely sucked dry (and the girl feels like the guy just wants to be a platonic friend rather than move things forward sexually).

- Franco

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Ozzo:

So much good stuff in your reply man, nice to hear from someone who likely looks somewhat like I do.

It isn't that I need a girl like that, it is just that I have had a desire to see how it is like being with a girl like that. No part of me has some wild expectations of her but I just want to experience how it is like having success with those kinds of girls who in high school were always sought after and in college had athletes and frat stars hitting on them. It isn't some desperate need as I portrayed in the OP but some overwhelming curiosity.

Now I have put in the work on fundamentals and getting better with women. With this thread I am in the brainstorming stage of finding out what kind of men these specific girls go for. I have seen White girls date all kinds of races but the ones that date my background (even the pretty ones) are highly educated and work in White collar professions. Like I have seen White females who became doctors and were attractive themselves marry a guy that happened to be Asian or Brown but these women did not fit the niche that I am talking about. Some of the nurses I have seen do tend to fit that niche but I primarily find these women at bars and clubs rather than in educated type areas.

What is funny is that of the 2 nurses I know that fit the bill, one was dating some guy who worked a blue collar job and was a self-identified redneck and another was dating some college dropout who was trying to make it to the MMA. They were not interested in the doctor making 6 figures it seems.

The truth is that I am already there in terms of experience as I have seen success with various kinds of women but I have always done bad with these kinds of women and want to fill up that gap. Want to know exactly what it is these kinds of women don't find attractive. Now as I have said, there is no doubt in my mind that race matters a lot to these girls. The reason they color their hair, hit the gym a lot, and go that far in looking good is because they are worried about their image in society.

I guess I have become somewhat familiar with them but I really want to know more about them and how a guy they won't initially perceive as hot can do well with them.

Chase gave me the advice about a chinstrap and soulpatch which I have applied, lately more girls have been into me but just not of the category I am trying to go for right now.

Guess there is something to be said about us never getting the women we really desire.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Keep in mind that brown male, white female is actually a pretty common interracial couple in the US, especially in the big, progressive cities.

On this note, Altair (another brown guy on the forums) had been posting about the same issue, OP. If you really feel like your vicinity is an issue (and it might be because of the pure scarcity of attractive white women), then try vacationing to another location and approaching attractive, white women there.

I told Altair that here in Southern California, there are plenty of attractive white girls in interracial relationships with all types of guys. As a matter of fact, if you can't succeed HERE with white women, I would go as far to say that it means you ability to adjust and improve your fundamentals is lacking. As a caution, there are many good-looking naturals here and the women are thick-skinned, but they are very much attracted to the most dominant men around (regardless of race or background). It would be a good way to find out if your fundamentals or your location is the issue.

- Franco

Sorry to have missed this post Franco. I remember you telling me about your brown friend, he seemed to be doing well and I am happy to hear it. Also I remember you talking about how men from our backgrounds are disadvantaged simply because of the way we are raised and I have seen that play out time and time again for me. Initially my parents were strict because they were worried about me but now I am more independent. Even now I feel some of those scars of the child who was told to never go outside or never take risks but I have come a long way.

Right now with this particular situation I am at a phase where I am hopeless. I feel like even if I keep improving and am the best version of myself, I still won't be able to land a girl like this (take the fame of hers away and imagine her not so famous look alike) because of the background I am and will always have that feeling of emptiness inside of me. Note that I did not say White girls, I said blonde bombshells.

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[Grand Pooba]

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I would try to say remove as much of that cultural side from you as possible.

(i know you are not indian but im gonna use this as an example) Almost no American girls find an indian 7/11 style accent attractive as stereotypically unfair as it is.

safe bet would to be to try and make yourself as american as possible. Try to aquire a really good american impression accent and behave just like an american... The end result is that you won't seem very much like a "muslim".

I am going to partially disagree with -B- on this. This is my opinion:

It is not completely removing every hint of Indian/Pakistani culture from within you, 100% gone. In doing that you are conveying shame of being a part of that culture, and removing your associations and cultural backing simultaneously reduces something unique about you while also placing you in the pool to compete with people who are their natural, comfortable, and fully accepted selves. Remember that self confidence and self esteem is a hugely attractive.

What has worked well for me is portraying myself as an intelligent American raised guy with a healthy vibe, no accent, great style, a good haircut and a very fit and attractive body. I follow process and for the women that let me move fast and make me a lover, I then introduce them to the culture at a pace that they are comfortable with. It also helps that I have a very progressive family which doesn't judge like the media portrays. I critical part of my process is also screening for open minded women that are accepting of dating people of other backgrounds.

I have found that most of my lovers and exes have not been with a Pakistani or Muslim man before, but many of them do grow quite affectionate, accept me for who I am, and seem to enjoy when I take them to eat "exotic" food and tell them the quirky aspects of traditions, etc. My last exclusive ex-gf, who was Chinese-American, told me she never imagined being with a brown guy, but totally fell in love with the cuisine and some of the customs. She met people in my family and it wasn't weird at all.

As Franco also suggested, if your town isn't cutting it for you, try a new place. See if it's your fundamentals and attitude, or the environment. But judging from your comments it is probably your attitude.

Since this topic keeps coming up, it seems the website needs a "How Brown Guys can Get With Caucasian and Other Women" Article.