Approaching day time groups

[Howell]

Hey guys,

I was just wondering if anyone has experience and success approaching day time groups. I am strong at approaching lone girls but I see so many missed opportunities when a couple of hot girls walk by together. How do I approach and isolate so that I can walk away with a number from one and display strong intent on the open.

-what's some typical opening lines you like?
-how do you disarm the girls you aren't interested in?
-do you prefer direct or indirect for day time groups and why?
-what has been your experience with follow ups and closing girls you met in groups vs girls you meet who are alone?
-do you find you like to open them while they are sitting, walking, or any good ways to pre-open girls in couples or groups?

Clearly this is a higher risk approach but I was hoping I could start doing them with a little knowledge about what works best before learning the hard way. my goal is to walk away with a solid number from every approach, please keep this is mind when answering. Many times these are college girls and I am tad bit older(late 20s) for answer context.

Thanks for your help!

Radeng

Radeng,

I do this pretty often, as I like meeting foreign girls and they often travel in packs. Indirect situational openers work best for me.

You're best off letting go of feeling any need to isolate. If you go for a number close, this part of your seduction should be inclusive to the group.

Basically, you just choose your girl as the "designated spokesperson" of the group and exchange numbers with her.

However, before this you should convey interest non-verbally or with subtle verbals to let her know that you're sexually interested in her and not just inviting them on a friendly rendezvous. Standing extra close to her, giving her extra eye contact with your eyebrow a bit raised for a moment, or holding her hand for longer than usual when you shake it will usually give her the message. If I think she hasn't got it yet, I will say something to THE FRIENDS like "Is Marie always this shy, or is it only when she's trying to seem innocent? (then to Marie): "I see through your act, Marie "

Basically I just get the friends on my team by making the path of least resistance and the more fun way to tease their friend and frame me as a sexy guy. So yeah, I generally use a playful vibe for groups, while when solo I usually use more tension and am a bit more subdued.

If you come off sexy, she usually won't want to bring her friends on the next meeting, unless you're going for a group thing.

In my experience, a high energy (yet still quite laidback) approach works best in this situation, and also works best for people who aren't locals or who are less familiar with the region than you are, cuz then you can take on the host role, where you use your desire to show off the good side of your region to become chummy and show them around.

What's some typical opening lines you like?

• -"You girls look lost." (walking)
  -"Hey. How's it going?" (standing at a bus stop or a crosswalk or something)
  -"You can take my picture, but save some of your film for the Eiffel Tower, okay?" (girls taking picture of other friends standing in front of tourist site)

Honestly, I just say whatever comes to mind and just kind of joke around with them.

How do you disarm the girls you aren't interested in?

I don't worry about this at all. My frame is basically that 'of course they'd want to talk to me.' Assuming any need to disarm them implies that your presence and charm is not disarming enough in and of itself.

What has been your experience with follow ups and closing girls you met in groups vs girls you meet who are alone?

No noticeable difference. Only difference is different vibe and you can build social proof with their friends right then and there. I guess another one would be time constraints though. I'm usually in and out faster with girls in groups, because doing an insta-date can be a bit tricky, unless you want to do stuff with the whole group and see if you can't get something crazy like a foursome or something.

I've gotten a number of follow-up dates after this, and only once have they brought another girl around, and that's because I conveyed too much sexual interest for her and she was just a youngen. Never gotten a threesome or more from this kind of approach, but I have converted a few into sexual encounters, and even more have just been a lot of fun.

Do you find you like to open them while they are sitting, walking, or any good ways to pre-open girls in couples or groups?

Girls standing around is the easiest for me. I get rejected more with girls who are sitting, as it's higher effort on my part so it's easier for my approach to come off as chasing. And as for pre-openers, perhaps you could try basic things like coughing or clearing your throat or talking on your phone to demonstrate your sexy voice while you'r'e walking near them and then turning to them and making a joke about them eavesdropping on some unusual shit you're saying.

One funny thing I like to do is pretend I'm talking to someone on the phone while I'm standing near a group of girls I want to engage and talk about something they'd think I'd be embarrassed about but that actually makes me come off as sexy or high class or something, like buying expensive lingerie or booking reservations at a fancy hotel for my grandma.


TLDR: Thinking outside the box and perceiving the event as more or less like a dry joke is my strategy (basically for life) and it's worked reasonably well.

-Howell

 

[ray_zorse]

I'm getting some solid tips from Howell, I hadn't really analyzed it in detail but what you say sounds sensible. I guess I don't approach groups that much cos it seems less productive, when I do I'm usually pretty well warmed up and just try to banter a lot, cos it feels more inclusive than deep diving, but basically focus on my target and ignore the rest of the group unless there's some particular reason to shift my focus to another group member or members.

What I wanted to add though, is that pairs are easy, I don't consider them to be groups because three way conversation is feasible and there's also less reputation risk for her, they are usually best buddies if they are hanging out in a pair so they can keep each other's secrets. I normally focus 2/3
to 3/4 of my attention on target and occasionally bring the other one in with a question etc if she is quiet.

Sasha Daygame's ebook has solid tips on how to deal with mothers, fathers, possible boyfriends and so on. In the pair situation it'd be something like "wow, you are cute too, but do you mind if I talk to your friend", then don't wait for a response, immediately do it, so if the response is negative she has to break in and look lame and like a follower.

Ray