Online & Apps Apps like tinder useless unless you are well above average

[Randy_91]

Anybody else finding apps like tinder next to useless nowadays? The women are just so over-saturated with matches that you stand virtually zero chance.

Here a typical example of how it usually goes and this is an HB 6 at most an average ass girl that nobody really wants:

tinder chat

 

[YS.]

Your level on Tinder is completely within your control. (Went from 0 matches/month to 5-10/week.) Pay a pro photoshoot. Get dope clothes. Edit the fuck out of pictures. Test archetypes. Break rapport in most of your pictures pictures in a playful way, don't self qualify and try to communicate attractive attributes (pre-selection, fun vibe, confidence, leader of men/social proof, abundance, access to scarce resources, being able to provide OR being a discrete fuck, etc.).

Stop the fucking retarded number scale if it effects your entitlement. Honestly most of the time 6's are more standoffish than 8-9's trying to maintain their ego. Why the fuck do you think you are entitled to a 6 any more than a 9? If 100 dudes are in a room and there is a 6 and a 9 guess how many wants a 6 at the end of the night? 100, if the 9 rejected all. 99, if the 9 hooked up with one guy. Their level of abundance is the same.

Actually no, I take that back. A 6 could be a lot more abundant than a 9. Because many people are too afraid to actually step up to the nine but everyone is hitting up the 6.

Every single female ancestor of us procreated while only half of the males did. There is no such thing as "an average girl nobody really wants".

Don't post your dumb ass pictures and expect girls to like you.

The game is played differently.

 

[Randy_91]

The post is not about getting matches. I get quite a few matches with the pictures I have got. A match means nothing, its how entitled the women are even when you match with them. Out every match you get, how many actually get to the point of meeting you? And of those who meet you how many do you actually fuck?

 

[YS.]

The post is not about getting matches. I get quite a few matches with the pictures I have got. A match means nothing, its how entitled the women are even when you match with them. Out every match you get, how many actually get to the point of meeting you? And of those who meet you how many do you actually fuck?

My post is not about matches. If you actually had a quality profile many girls will open you and respond very positively. The match rate is to show where I came from.

Plus, on your text. It's always iffy to break rapport without having it. The only girls who would respond positively are the ones who already see your value as above the matches and attention they get. You don't open with a neg bro. You gotta have rapport first to break it. That first line is hella risky. You don't really have any social capital with her to tease her like that off the open. Very divisive / value screening opener. You gotta have massive value in her eyes for her to chase the rapport.

As she already told you, everyone wants her (there is no such thing as an average girl nobody wants), I'd build a vibe first before teasing her.

 

[Randy_91]

My opener was just a joke based on her profile as she said she wanted a guy to change lightbulbs, put petrol in the car and cut raw chicken. Very few girls I have ever opened would respond like that over something so trivial. Shes basically hammering hard with the shit tests right from the start. yeah there is no such thing as an average girl nobody wants on Tinder but in real life she's struggling or why would she even be on tinder.

 

[Grand Pooba]

My God, I hate apps

 

[YS.]

My opener was just a joke based on her profile as she said she wanted a guy to change lightbulbs, put petrol in the car and cut raw chicken. Very few girls I have ever opened would respond like that over something so trivial. Shes basically hammering hard with the shit tests right from the start. yeah there is no such thing as an average girl nobody wants on Tinder but in real life she's struggling or why would she even be on tinder.

Bro in your OP you wrote;

"that you stand virtually zero chance."

"apps like tinder next to useless nowadays"

"a typical example of how it usually goes and this is an HB 6 at most an average ass girl that nobody really wants"

...

Then you start writing girls never respond to you negatively like that, you actually get matches, etc.

I don't know what your deal is my man. You're confusing me.

Decide if you get matches and people don't respond to you that negatively or you stand zero change, 6's typically respond to you like garbage and apps are useless.

Because those 2 statements cannot co-exist.

I'm telling you things that has worked very well for me that would never make me utter those 3 sentences I've quoted. And I'm ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure I live in a place where Tinder is 3527 times worse than where you are. (You're gonna have to trust me on that.)

 

[Randy_91]

What I meant was I wouldn't get responded to like that outside of tinder. Even on apps like POF you dont get told to fuck off on the opening line.

 

[Train]

Almost every time I try dating apps, I come out with my self-esteem wrecked. My photos are average quality. Looks are above average (not model-level).

I felt better even when getting rejected or going nowhere on a two-night bootcamp. Rejections were quick, and there were more girls around the corner.

For the average guy putting in average effort, I would steer them away from dating apps. I honestly think they would do better in person. And their self-esteem wouldn't tank and leave them worse than they were.

 

[YS.]

Almost every time I try dating apps, I come out with my self-esteem wrecked. My photos are average quality. Looks are above average (not model-level).

I felt better even when getting rejected or going nowhere on a two-night bootcamp. Rejections were quick, and there were more girls around the corner.

For the average guy putting in average effort, I would steer them away from dating apps. I honestly think they would do better in person. And their self-esteem wouldn't tank and leave them worse than they were.

Hey Train,

You actually sorta followed my apps journey I think. You helped me out with some info.

It takes 2 weeks of effort and maybe 2 weeks of trial and error to have a sick profile man. You can't be half a gangster. Just put in the effort. You can't expect to give half assed effort and procreate. Like that's not how men work. The best of us get all of the women while the average effort people get nothing.

For the self esteem thing. Easy fixes. Process oriented goals. (For me 30 mins at the end of the day on apps = Win.)
And... Very blase openers. Of course if you put in massive effort to the girl (3 lines of jokes, etc.) then she fucks off you're gonna feel bad. If all you want is to test the waters and build a vibe, you didn't really lose nothing. People are doing all this retarded text game shit while the profile is the differentiator of most interactions. If everything about you screams average you're not gonna build attraction over text bro.

Also you should have enough external self esteem builders where this shouldn't effect you as much, especially after the initial pain period. (Friends, Hobbies, Active Social Life, Girls you're talking to, girls you're hooking up, Hot leads you're working on, cold approach, business, etc.)

Apps could be a MASSIVE way to build abundance (mental and real) and boost your self esteem. But apps are not the place for the AVERAGE. There are 1 girl for every 10 guy and all of them are hitting her up.

You cannot be average.

If you want to be average, do cold approach. Nobody is approaching. You'll stand out easily.

But you'll never reach the volume and ease of apps.

You're right that Tinder is not the place for average guys but it takes 2-4 weeks to not be average.

Don't let shit like that take you off the hook my man.

 

[Train]

Hi YS, thanks for the advice! Admittedly, my effort with apps has been half-assed, so I can definitely work on that.

I've been more blase about my current time on Tinder this time, which does help with the self-esteem hit.

Agreed on the external sources of self-esteem. When I have a lot going on, I notice I give less fucks about stuff like girls. So I am not as fixated. I lost some routines but I am slowly getting them back.

Does seem like apps are great for abundance, especially with the quarantines going on. Other avenues like approaching and social circles are hit badly it seems.

 

[Randy_91]

Almost every time I try dating apps, I come out with my self-esteem wrecked. My photos are average quality. Looks are above average (not model-level).

I felt better even when getting rejected or going nowhere on a two-night bootcamp. Rejections were quick, and there were more girls around the corner.

For the average guy putting in average effort, I would steer them away from dating apps. I honestly think they would do better in person. And their self-esteem wouldn't tank and leave them worse than they were.

My self-esteem is relatively unscathed by the apps themselves it's only when I get somewhere with a woman and things were going well then it suddenly changes and I get dumped out of the blue that my self-esteem gets wreaked.

 

[Skills]

I learned early on from will Freeman rev lifestyle design that no matter how good looking you are the apps will totally make you feel ugly, it comes with a territory. Also what is the obsession with tinder for me is the worst dating app. You need to be in as many apps posible play the numbers and treat it like a video game

 

[Slick]

If you go on a dating app as a very good looking guy, the women will initiate messages with you and if you say stuff like “wanna bang?” in your opener they will come over that night.

If you go on tinder and have to engage in banter in order for her to sleep with you, it’s already pretty much a lost cause because she’s going to first go for the ripped guy that’s way above her league. My recommendation is that if you get a match, make sure you go sexual off the bat and if she doesn’t respond well just end it there.

All girls on the app want to get laid (by Chad)

 

[Starboy]

Bro in your OP you wrote;

"that you stand virtually zero chance."

"apps like tinder next to useless nowadays"

"a typical example of how it usually goes and this is an HB 6 at most an average ass girl that nobody really wants"

...

Then you start writing girls never respond to you negatively like that, you actually get matches, etc.

I don't know what your deal is my man. You're confusing me.

Decide if you get matches and people don't respond to you that negatively or you stand zero change, 6's typically respond to you like garbage and apps are useless.

Because those 2 statements cannot co-exist.

I'm telling you things that has worked very well for me that would never make me utter those 3 sentences I've quoted. And I'm ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure I live in a place where Tinder is 3527 times worse than where you are. (You're gonna have to trust me on that.)

Bro do you know what hyperboles are? Cuz that's how the op was speaking. Any ugly or fat girl can find some dude that will like her or pay attention to her and give her dick. So when he said "average ass girl that most men don't want" he meant girls that most men don't pay that much attention to or desire as highly in person as the sexy gorgeous girl. The "average" girl men might not checkout twice in real life. But on a dating app she has more power and abundance then she would in person. Maybe she has good pictures herself or just enough to have all these men online swiping right on her,providing her validation and attention when she's objectively not a really hot girl based on her picture. She can be selective,choosey and even a little bratty because she has so many options. That doesn't mean you as a man can't improve or try to better. But online is a numbers game times ten and covid 19 exacerbates it as well. The dude was just expressing how he felt and his experience. Nothing too toxic