Are Clubs and Online a waste of time??

[Sub-Zero]

I know they aren’t the best, but isn’t that the easiest way to meet more women? I haven’t heard much about club or bar lays here, and have always heard that those are most likely a waste of time if you don’t try to smash the same night. But I have been reading the success stories of dating apps on here, and I just don’t get how it isn’t working for me like some of the dudes on here despite all of these matches I get, numbers, so-called interest, etc. but yet not even a meet up.


I’m open to doing day game more and more because these are not working for me at all.
My thing with day game is how would I get a lot of lays off that? Wouldn’t I still need to do bars, clubs, and apps to get more lays?

How can you get your numbers up just doing day game alone?

I do club and apps because I can talk to more girls, but it’s like is it worth it? Should I just throw the shit away and really only focus on day game?

Another thing worth mentioning with day game; so I’ve noticed I mostly match with black women off apps. So that means other races don’t like me right?

So when I’m out and about during the day, all I see is are white girls, some latinas, and very very few attractive black women.

So that would mean I would be extremely limited with my choices wouldn’t it?

My thing with wanting more notches on my belt is to get rid of the scarcity mindset and get experience. This isn’t some I just wanna fuck 100 chicks just because I like the number, no.

I want the ability to not get emotional with a girl I like and things don’t work out and to know I can find another.

I want to think of all the good memories of girls I sleep with, the more the better.

Getting this down will calm a lot of my energy and resentment that I have because I won’t have to feel I need to be the richest guy in the world or that maybe I’m just a fuck up in life.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Sub zero dude! Clubs are not great environments for it cause there's a lot of loud noises, lots of distractions, people being on different energy levels, lots of competition and most importantly emotions don't stick. They're not a total waste of time, ya can meet a lot of girls an get SNL'S from it. A have even met girls again after meeting them an that's where a have met my last 3 girlfriends. There's lots of articles on GC for night game an how to work it, there's equally enough articles that advise not to date party girls an how clubs are not good places.

Dating apps are something else entirely an a lot of ya success is on location. A have never done dating apps for various reasons an a main one is my location is shit. A friend does it an he has to put the distance to 30 - 40 miles to get enough matches. There isn't much in a 10 mile radius so not ideal.

Ya can get a lot of lays from day game because emotions stick better an the likelihood of flakes is less than that of night game an possibly online. The issues with online is that ya don't actually meet them so when it comes to meeting they can get cold feet. It suddenly becomes real not to mention its not very organic!

To get the most lays ya should do as much as ya can. Some guys can clean up online, ya don't seem to have that level of success, but stopping completely stops it being an option. While ya getting matches ya can use this to get ya text game on point dude.

I constantly wonder if I should give dating apps a try cause I can possibly match with girls every night, relying on my available time usually gives me one night of night game an very few rare day game chances. Again my location is shit!

Just cause ya always match with black girls doesn't mean other girls aren't interested. The issue with online is that they have to many choices an so they're really selective. They might not give ya a chance cause ya don't match what they think is perfect. Talking to them in person could give ya a chance so don't shoot yaself in the foot an always assume attraction dude!

 

[Sub-Zero]

Thanks for the reply my man!!

The success stories on here are the main reason I decided to get on the apps. I always felt like apps was bullshit.

And I do think these girls get cold feet as well, but it’s crazy to me that there are so many field reports here of fast lays on apps, while these girls I talk to do not act like that.

I feel my formula is extremely solid with the apps.

I ask out within 4-8 messages. I talk on the phone for about 30 minutes to build some comfort and to set up the date.

To me what else can you do, except do slow game and keep talking to the girl a week at a time for a month, which I have also done to no avail.

I’m really glad you responded man, talking to you guys and finding out solutions helps me out with my anger when dealing with these women.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm not crazy about online, because:

1. Market is totally against you
2. You cannot easily sense what happens at the other side, so how the hell are you supposed to calibrate?

Online I feel this super pressure to be a really smooth pickup artist with incredible calibration.

Live everything is much easier, I can make up things with overall good game, I have my fundamentals and can trump male competition since I know what is going on. Live I can ask a girl to move , if she will put up or shut up. Live I see if she is just blatantly ignoring me or is a little busy and thus silent.

Usually have great confidence but focusing online can give me negative momentum.

Which is weird because during 2005 and 2006 I mainly pulled via internet.

These are reasons why I am wary about apps like tinder. This last friday a girl opened me on tinder and I managed to fuck it up:
But the truth is, it is impossible for me to know whether the problem was me or her. So I immediately started interacting with real girls in order to cleanse myself.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Sub zero, don't get angry about it dude! It comes from a needy insecure mind set an ya will project that vibe. Depending on ya location the app could be bull shit for ya. Oh pry has a post with a guide to it an if I recall correctly he says to put the radius to a mile. I think he lives in NYC, but a mile radius where I am would have about 5 girls...
Also are ya just on tinder? Maybe try using bumble as well. Different people use different apps so ya need to be on them.

I have noticed ya have a few posts with dating apps mentioned, with not actually using the apps a always felt it's not my place to comment. I think fuck this gave ya some advice about toning down ya conversation a bit too keep it light an encourage the girls to come an meet up with ya.

It seems like ya have a good process an can get attraction from the girls ya match with. I have picked up on a few things from ya other posts such as ya don't use a bio? Write a bio dude, ya matches could increase with it. Only takes a minute an ya might be taken more seriously on it. Ya need to sell yaself on the platform. Like Zac Adam has said it's all marketing, keep bull shitting!

There's still a few things ya can try an without reading ya messages I'm just putting them out there. It sounds like ya need more warmth or a less sexually charged frame. Try changing the frame, if they quickly get sexual it will sound counter productive but don't bite an re frame it. Joke that ya would love for her to come over but she'll have to buy ya dinner first. This sets it that she's chasing you, ya sexual but ya want her to validate herself to ya.

Ya will appear less needy, less like a fuck boy, that ya used to girls chatting to ya like this an ya in control. It'll either break the sexual tension or paint her as a bad influence. Either way breaking the tension is good cause it's on your terms so ya can pick it back up when ya want to. Painting her as a bad influence if done right is good teasing and puts you in control.