Are some people just unlucky?

[Spyce D]

I am going to talk about a pua I know and it feels like he has weird luck cuz I have been following his journey since last december.

He has had guys (girl's boyfriend, friend, brothers) threaten him whether via calls, texts on numerous occasions . Maybe more than with 10+ women.

Has had his wings dump/block him.

Has had his dates openly talk about their exes on the first date and then never showing up for second one.

He even has ton of issues in career as well his family since childhood.

Is it really just skill issue cuz I think that he just has terrible luck. It just boggles my mind.

On a general note, is it really possible that guys can have really good luck or bad luck that is completely unrealated to the fact that whether they have ability or not?

 

[empath]

Could be, but for this particular guy it seems he never learned how to improve, read the room or act towards what he wants.

Has had his dates openly talk about their exes on the first date and then never showing up for second one.

Should have started cutting thread. If letting a girl talking about her ex and then not being able to seduce them is not his forte.

He has had guys (girl's boyfriend, friend, brothers) threaten him whether via calls, texts on numerous occasions . Maybe more than with 10+ women.

10+?. Never happend to me, maybe at once but it was my doing and it was more like pleading.

Why is he getting threatened?

He is doing something wrong, maybe pushing things where he should not?
Not being discreet etc.

Has had his wings dump/block him

Must be overbearing, again not able to take cues or understand what other person want.

Creep or just a negative vibe? Not providing enough value.

Again why? What is the reason?

He even has ton of issues in career as well his family since childhood.

Again why?

Only thing where he can be unlucky is being born into certain family which is not stable/chaotic.

Again his childhood will explain, his learned bad behaviour.

But as an adult, he is in control of his decisions.

Seems he never fixed his childhood turama.

But whatever happening to him after 18/being grown up enough to leave is his doing.


A lot of people (including myself) don't have a great ideal family.

But that never let them (including myself) stop from achieving what I wanted out of life.

Yeah progress/success came later, than my peers but it did came. So, I don't buy this unlucky theory.

Also, why are you asking this question.

Will lead to nothing for yourself.

 

[Spyce D]

Also, why are you asking this question.

Will lead to nothing for yourself.

Just curious and want to know about it from pua's perspective.

And learning about this also helps me in my inner game and confidence.

 

[Will_V]

I am going to talk about a pua I know and it feels like he has weird luck cuz I have been following his journey since last december.

He has had guys (girl's boyfriend, friend, brothers) threaten him whether via calls, texts on numerous occasions . Maybe more than with 10+ women.

Has had his wings dump/block him.

Has had his dates openly talk about their exes on the first date and then never showing up for second one.

He even has ton of issues in career as well his family since childhood.

Is it really just skill issue cuz I think that he just has terrible luck. It just boggles my mind.

On a general note, is it really possible that guys can have really good luck or bad luck that is completely unrealated to the fact that whether they have ability or not?

Why would it even occur to you that it has anything to do with luck?

 

[bkw]

It sounds more like a personal problem, as this explains why everyone seemingly hates/dislikes him, beyond girls he dates. He's likely has a lot of emotional/personality issues that goes beyond dating based on what you told me. Therefore, "luck" is not the right term to use here. Luck might play a little part to do with it, but it's likely mostly his personality is the issue

 

[ulrich]

Beyond the specific example that the OP @Spyce D asks in the first post, there is definitely a luck factor in seduction.

It is rarely discussed on this field but it is a huge factor in business and it operates in a similar fashion.

Any single interaction (or business endeavor) is affected to some degree by luck.

Whether the place you go to is crowded with the right kind of women or empty, if the woman you approach is open or taken, if she is having a good day or she is in a bad mood… most of these things you cannot control… it’s the luck of the draw.
Except… you actually have some degree of control over these… but that control is not total and it depends on your skills.

Luck is a factor… but luck can be negated by volume and skills.

Can someone make 100 approaches and have 100 bad sets in a row?
Extremely unlikely… but I guess one unlucky guy in 10,000 might have such a run… statistically speaking, some guy should have that luck of the draw.

But still, these are statistical anomalies… 99.9% of times things like these are caused by lack of skill or lack of volume.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

I wouldn’t say I am lucky, but what I would say is that I always trusted that if I kept doing something I would get a result eventually.

Is it luck that after many applications for a house to rent with the same credentials you eventually get one? Or is it luck that after many applications for a job with the same background you eventually get a position?

I guess you can say it is, but I personally always saw these as things that are statistically bound to happen if you keep going at them continuously.

At least it’s how I approach life, and it has not failed me so far. If you are at a certain level in a field, you will eventually find someone that realises it and gives you what you want.

Of course it’s important to also get to that level. That’s also statistically bound to happen though, if you are interested in the field and spend mental and actual energy working on it.

 

[archimedes]

i thought you were going to talk about a lad who couldn't get laid. fuck everything else, that's the main game. Until he complains and asks for help/wisdom (and I ain't judging. i'm admiring actually), let him be 'unlucky'

the more financially successful i get, the more i see people deserve to be poor- becauseof their attitudes and behavior-- but i try to model good stuff-- and show them, or show my friends a path or way- but the more successful i get, the less i even try do that. let them seek. i spent hours seeking. I know people suffer and i don't believe in free will- not even a little. i don't know what those words mean together. free with respect to some controlling object- sure- but the sum total of objects in the universe collectively determine one's will- i believe.. so when people suffer, or when i succeed (financially), I can't chalk that up to 'free' will or haven freely chosen the right path. choice and will to be sure but not free. predetermined will. But for the modest success i have started to get, i haven't not got much in terms of the fuck or the love, so I know my overal score is pretty low-- key dimensions are lagging

 

[bkw]

i thought you were going to talk about a lad who couldn't get laid. fuck everything else, that's the main game. Until he complains and asks for help/wisdom (and I ain't judging. i'm admiring actually), let him be 'unlucky'

the more financially successful i get, the more i see people deserve to be poor- becauseof their attitudes and behavior-- but i try to model good stuff-- and show them, or show my friends a path or way- but the more successful i get, the less i even try do that. let them seek. i spent hours seeking. I know people suffer and i don't believe in free will- not even a little. i don't know what those words mean together. free with respect to some controlling object- sure- but the sum total of objects in the universe collectively determine one's will- i believe.. so when people suffer, or when i succeed (financially), I can't chalk that up to 'free' will or haven freely chosen the right path. choice and will to be sure but not free. predetermined will. But for the modest success i have started to get, i haven't not got much in terms of the fuck or the love, so I know my overal score is pretty low-- key dimensions are lagging

eh, sometimes not being successful financially is more than altitude and behavior. Sometimes it's because you were duped by an overpriced educational system that promised you the world--and you bought into it because you were young and naive--and then you get saddled with mountains of debt or a shifting job market. Sometimes it's because life hits you with emergencies that prevents you from achieving things. Sometimes it's because you were raised in an environment that did not give you guidance or successful mentors, etc. Sometimes you're born into a country where opportunities are not as easily present.

If you were born with the right attitude, mindset, with the right goals, without being duped too badly, without having life-altering situations happen, without being saddled with debt, and you learn from your mistakes, etc., then your chances go way up. Some people manage to do all the right moves, and they find financial success, some are born into it, some make mistakes and learn from them, others have great potential but have no found something that resonates with them, or they haven't got all the blocks in order yet for it to happen, etc.

 

[Spyce D]

Why would it even occur to you that it has anything to do with luck?

Gut feeling if I am being honest.

 

[Chase]

@Spyce D,

I am going to talk about a pua I know and it feels like he has weird luck cuz I have been following his journey since last december.

He has had guys (girl's boyfriend, friend, brothers) threaten him whether via calls, texts on numerous occasions . Maybe more than with 10+ women.

Has had his wings dump/block him.

Has had his dates openly talk about their exes on the first date and then never showing up for second one.

He even has ton of issues in career as well his family since childhood.

Is it really just skill issue cuz I think that he just has terrible luck. It just boggles my mind.

On a general note, is it really possible that guys can have really good luck or bad luck that is completely unrealated to the fact that whether they have ability or not?

I guarantee you there is a common cause in all these, and it is not luck.

A guy who's pissing off girls enough that men are riding to their defense against him, that dudes he goes out with are ditching him, that women are shitting on him on their dates with him, who is sucking in his career and with family...

You know the old saying:

"If everyone you meet is an asshole, you're the asshole."

Chase

 

[archimedes]

eh, sometimes not being successful financially is more than altitude and behavior. Sometimes it's because you were duped by an overpriced educational system that promised you the world--and you bought into it because you were young and naive--and then you get saddled with mountains of debt or a shifting job market. Sometimes it's because life hits you with emergencies that prevents you from achieving things. Sometimes it's because you were raised in an environment that did not give you guidance or successful mentors, etc. Sometimes you're born into a country where opportunities are not as easily present.

If you were born with the right attitude, mindset, with the right goals, without being duped too badly, without having life-altering situations happen, without being saddled with debt, and you learn from your mistakes, etc., then your chances go way up. Some people manage to do all the right moves, and they find financial success, some are born into it, some make mistakes and learn from them, others have great potential but have no found something that resonates with them, or they haven't got all the blocks in order yet for it to happen, etc.

yes exactly our system sucks, it's a rip off where you don't even learn anything and you're saddled with debt. educational debt is often a horrible chain around a person. it's a bad form of debt in many many cases.

not trying to sound like a know it all. Sometimes though I see people with weak energy- can't follow through on committment, don't take initiatives in little things etc. I'm lucky-unlucky. my grandparents made a fund to pay my college, so i didn't leave with debt- not financial debt. On the other hand i went to a school that was sh-t for me- took four years of my life, and in retrospect i saw it ate at my confidence, didn't do what college was supposed to do, and it took the money they saved for me and the hours i could have spent working- and getting work confidence and self reliance-- so no debt but i was still consumed. it sucks yeah, the system. i want to take a flamethrower to it (pacino style). No but seriously it needs deep reform, but who is going to bring that about.

More generally (I talk too much)-- i'm on a trend where i see how systems affect decisions and behavior and result--- and long story short -- we don't need to blame ourselves as much for our so called shortcomings. We don't have the moral failings we're expected to have. The system, the world has moral failings- or maybe they don't, since machines can't have morals. i don't know.. maybe this is just the price of entry. maybe this is just fate, or destiny

People who become massively successful on their path- i mean like the tycoons- bill gates or the google people whatever, often come in at just the right time. Larry Page and Sergei Brin, they were around age 30, at stanford, doing phds. Their fathers were both math professors or something like that. The university was well connected to tech folk and it was just the right time for search to grow. Given the same people but a year or two earlier or later, and who knows maybe they'd be senior engineers at someone else's company, or if they were the first one to go to college. There are so many factors and forces- and i am not about anyone beating themselves up, but not having blind spots either. just zooming out and seeing more clearly if possible.