AsianPersuasion's Progress Log

[AsianPersuasion]

Since my last few field reports were pretty uneventful, and that I like to write about switches in mental model as well, I think a Journal would be more suited for me at the moment...

I've been active since I last posted, but I don't have any results to show for it. I've done day game here and there, but since I have school and no car, it's gotten really hard to get more than one or two approaches in per time... and a lot of the time, none. I use buying groceries as an excuse to get myself out in public because my parents don't want me driving everywhere, and whenever I see a hot girl, I open.

I've also done a bit of experimenting... The wing-man I normally take along with me was there for a field trip at the U, and I figured he and I should go hit on girls there. Despite starting much later than me, he's already gotten far better success with day-game than me. At the U, he came up with the idea that we should put our phone numbers on pieces of paper and slip them to attractive girls, which I ruled out to be not bold enough, however, at the end of the day, he got a bunch of the girls texting him, whereas I, trying to play things the old fashioned way, ended up with nothing.

So curious, I tried out doing the slip of paper thing.... Admittedly that would have REALLY come in handy at speech meets, and so wherever I went and saw a hot girl, I gave her the slip of paper, smiled, and walked away. Nothing. I wonder what exactly I'm doing that's been hindering my successes for so long... If I had a hidden cam, I'd use that so I could see my mannerism, but I don't, so I have to work from the psyche out.

Then these last few days, I've had my eyes on a girl from school. She showed a lot of initial attraction to me. Smiling and giving me doe eyes the first time we talked and then touching me the second... Unfortunately I had been away from direct game from that point for so long that I no longer had the stones I had built up from summer... I fumbled the ball a lot. Our interactions got nowhere, and while I did ask her to meet me early before class, she came with a friend, causing me to say "Okay, see ya!" while we were walking. Damn it. That looks so bad that I'm laughing as I type this. In the end, I could tell by the change in the way she looked at me that I had fucked it up.

On the bright side, if I had never tried my luck with her, I'd have never seen how poorly this has gotten. In the heat of the interaction, I now lose my stones and care way too much what the girl and everyone around her thinks.

I think back to before I got kicked out of that mall how I was just on the verge of breaking through. While now I always watch out for other people and try to be as discreet as possible, back then, I did my approaches with zero inhibitions about what anyone else around me thought... I think this might be the key to all of this; not giving a fuck about who hears you. To be more discreet, I've talked in almost a whisper when I approach, and my body language probably showed that I don't want anyone knowing about what I'm saying... Because I didn't want some manager getting a stick up their ass about it and banning me from the establishment again.

I realize now how shady that probably makes me look, so from now on, I'll focus on being shameless once more. What does freedom mean if I'm too afraid of what some manager might think of me or getting into a little bit of trouble anyway? I started this kind of stuff to break free from what rules society tried to keep people within, and I'd be a hypocrite to say that people should break rules if I'm too afraid to get kicked out of someplace. I was my most successful when I was my most unfiltered, uncaring, and shameless, and it's about time I returned to that.

Maybe by the end of this I'll have enough trespass notices to start a collection... If a guy being genuine to his nature and openly heterosexual is something that morally offends them so much that they've got to kick people out for it, I don't want to do business with them anyway.

 

[Water]

How old are you?

 

[AsianPersuasion]

I just turned 18 last september

 

[AsianPersuasion]

FR: Baseball Game

It was Physics day, and so we went as a class for a field trip to a baseball game. Since other schools would be there, I took the opportunity to practice a bit.

As I said earlier, I suspect that my attempts to do my pick ups quietly and discreetly after my mall incident were hurting my chances... Not only does it make me look shady, it's kind of hard not to be self-conscious when you're actively trying to make sure nobody else sees what you're doing. It's also not the personality I project on a normal basis. I seem to have gained a reputation at my school for not caring at all what people seem to think of me, cocky funny, caring little about any sort of order, having a god-complex, and treating everything like a game... It's a rough way of putting it, but to an extent that is my personality, and while I could say I got it from pickup, in reality, it's been my personality all along. The stuff I learned from Girls Chase and my summer of daygame just gave me the courage to show these colors in a way nothing else ever had.

These past few months though, I've been showing the opposite of this. In fact, the only thing remotely close to what I described and the only thing I had going for me was the fact that I approached at all. A guy approaching and then trying to be super quiet and discreet is just an approach that didn't really work too well for me, and I don't think I plan on going back to it. If I'm gonna approach, I'll do this my own way; smug, uncaring, and with the enthusiasm that you could only ever see in an unmediated juvenile with ADHD.

This report outlines my first attempt at letting my true personality shine through my approach.

Girl #1:
My friends wanted to see me in action. For some reason there's this strange rumor at my school that I somehow hit on so many girls at a mall last summer that I got kicked out. A few people find that creepy, some seem to admire that I had the balls to do something like that, and others don't believe I had the balls to do that... So when there was a chance for me to actually try something, I sure to have an audience. My friends and I roamed around for a while until I found a girl I thought was pretty, and I went up to approach her.

Me: "Hey! I'm AP. I just wanted to say that I thought you were super f*cking pretty. I wanted to come say hello."
Her: "Oh! Haha, thank you!"
Me: "What's you're name?"
Her: "It's *name*"
Friend: "You should call her *nickname that I have since forgotten*"
Me: "Haha, funny... And how'd you end up with that nickname?"

Just then, her boyfriend, who was in the group, grabbed her hand and hugged her, so I laughed and wished the other group members a good time before I left.

Girl #2:
Me: "I just had to come tell you that you were the cutest f*cking thing I have seen all day. I'm AP! What's your name?"
Her: "Hahaha, oh my god! Thank you! I'm allie."
Me: "You're here with your school I'm assuming."
Her: "Yep!"
Me: "Which school?"
Her: *School name*
Me: "Cool. I'm from *my school name*. Anyway, I came over because you're cute and seemed like someone who'd be really cool to talk to. I was wondering if you wanted to sit with us for part of the game."
Her: "Oh, sorry, but I have to sit with my school, right?"

Nodding to my left was her teacher, who happened to look young enough to be one of my students, but she looked at me with such discontent that could only come from someone placed in charge of a group of high-schoolers. Should have watched out for that, but oh well.

Me: "Oh okay. I understand... So what do you like to do?"
Her: "Oh, hanging out with friends *lists a bunch of sports she likes to play* Are you in track at all? We went to *my school* for a track meet."
Me: "Naw, I used to though. *Insert story about track knee injury* I'm on speech team now though. (We only said a few lines more, but I forget what was said after this)
Me: "Anyway, I'll let you get back to your friends, but before I go, can I have your number?"
Her: "No thanks "

Observations: This is THE warmest reception I've ever gotten from any girls so far... Especially the last one. Even at my best last summer, even the warmest girls were still slightly nervous around me, because I was nervous too and they caught wind of my bad emotions. Today, though I got no numbers, I felt no hint of that nervousness from me, or the girls.. In fact, I felt like both of us were having fun with it. Hell, even the girl I hit on right in front of her boyfriend was much warmer than the girls I had previously opened.

I'm having as much fun with this as I was in the beginning. The girl's reactions to my compliments are a mix of being cute and being entertaining, and the way you feel after any sort of approach is more invigorating than anything else you could possibly do in that short amount of time. I've stopped looking at it as a means to an end and more just a way to make things interesting.

I can't wait for summer. When I get the time again, I'll stay in venues for hours on end like I did before, so I can rack up more than two approaches for one day, because two at a time isn't enough to even warm me up.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

FR: Quickies

Not a whole lot of time for pickup, since I was trying to beat time for my shift, but I was able to get a few in while grocery and jacket shopping.

Girl #1:
I was standing in line at Costco's to pay when I saw her ahead of me. She would have left before I finished, and she was with her mom, so I had to pull a fast one by writing my number on the back of the Twins ticket from the other outing. I said "excuse me" to my clerk, handed it to the girl with my name and number written, and the small message, "text me."

No text from her so far.

Girl #2:
After I was done buying my jacket, I spotted yet another girl with crazy colored hair. Easy to find a compliment there. I was in a hurry once again though, so I spoke little. I wrote my name and number on another piece of my Twins ticket, and approached.
Me: "What's up? You've got the most awesome hair I've ever seen."
Her: "Oh, thank you! Hahahahaha!"
Me: "What's your name?"
Her: "Skylar"
Me: "AP" *hand her my number* "Text me?"
Her: "Okay!"

And I walked away. I wonder if walking away without looking back looks awkward... Maybe I'll try looking back and smiling next time.


Observations:
Walking up to a girl and handing her my number is NOT anywhere near as invigorating as verbally doing it myself... As a matter of fact, it totally messes up your extraverted vibe and makes you all jittery. I'll avoid doing this from now on.

Singing Van Halen, (or just making a long scream at the top of my lungs) right before going into any venue turns me into the most social-able guy in the world. By the time I do approach a girl, I'll have talked to a bunch of other people in the venue already, and warming up isn't an issue... I think this is because it loosens tension in my jaw and throat and makes it much easier to get my words out.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Ahhhh summer... I'm only a week away before I have three months to hone up my skills. After summer I'll go to a small town college, so it's imperative that I DO make strides in learning this year so I can take the audacity and skill with me, because once I make my first impression, there isn't enough people at the college to allow me to change it.

The not giving a fuck attitude seems to be working just fine for me and the girls seem a lot more receptive of my approaches... Unfortunately, until today, I hadn't had a single number close, not even a fake one, since many months ago. This led me to my new experiment of direct-indirect daygame.

I'm not saying direct day game doesn't work, because I've seen it work on camera before. In my experience though, it jars both you and the girl and makes it very hard for any sort of conversation to occur... To compensate for this, you've got to have some big brass balls... Big enough to keep both you and the girl calm... And quite frankly, I don't have the stones to own direct daygame approaches the same way Sasha or James Marshall do... I only have enough stones to say it in the first place.

This new approach assumes that the girl will know what's up through subtext. I won't directly tell her she's hot or has a nice ass, but I'll try to communicate it subtly, in the same way one would give her reasonable doubt when telling her "my apartment has a really sweet ceiling" as opposed to "let's go to my place and fuck." I'll be seeing how this plays out.

FR: Indirect-Direct

Girl #1: I approached this girl three days ago.
Me: "Hey, um... Do you think it'd be alright if a stranger gave another stranger a sincere compliment?"
Her: "Sure!"
Me: "Well alright then! Gimme a compliment "
Her: "Uh.. You seem nice and outgoing..."
Me: "Haha, I'm just kidding. I'm AP, what's your name?"
Her: "Haha, hi, I'm *name*"
Me: "Nice to meet you! So what's up? Do you work here?"
Her: "Yep! I actually work there.. *points to the caribou behind me*"
Me: "Ohhh I see, so you're on break then."
Her: *nods*
Me: "Well then, I'll make this fast. I thought you were cute and I wanted to see if I could have your number "
Her: "Haha, I actually have a fiance... sorry."
Me: "Tha[t's alright! See ya!"
Her: "Thanks though!"


Girl #2: This one I approached today at the mall while I was looking for summer wear, although it wasn't planned by any means and so, this was totally indirect. It also broke my rule of never hitting on employees, but she was giggling a lot and giving me flirty eye contact, so it would have bothered me forever if I didn't try something.
Her: "Hi! Can I help you find anything?"
Me: "Um, yeah actually, I'm looking for some bright colored shirts for summer!"
Her: "Okay! Were you looking for any style of shirt in particular?"
Me: "Uhh.... No actually. Surprise me "
Her: "Okay! *proceeds to lead me around the store*"
Me: "Just so you know, I'm being really stingy because I've already bought one thing from Express."
Her: "Express huh? You feelin' fly?"
Me: "Haha, I'm always feelin' fly!"
Her: "Haha, I totally understand... Story of my life actually, I'm always short on funds."
Me: "We're the problematic shoppers. Nobody can ever sell to us because we're always so damn picky."
Her: "Right? Haha!"
Me: "What's your name?"
Her: "Tarisha!"
Me: "AP. Nice to meet you!"
Her: "Nice to meet you too! Haha, I feel so helpful! (I don't think she used "helpful" exactly, all I remember is that she used something like this. Might have been "special")
She lead me around the store a couple times, but it was evident that I wasn't finding anything I wanted to buy. Her and I stood at the corner for a while, both just thinking.

Me: "I like how you're thinking too."
Her: "I know! I could have sworn I saw something more before! I'm sorry I'm not being very helpful..."
Me: "You're fine. I'm the one who's being picky. What about these T-Shirts?"

*We pick out a few T-Shirts for me before I finally ask her to get a fitting room ready for me.*

Me: "Your name is... Tarisha!"
Her: "Yep!"
Me: "What's my name?"
Her: "AP!"
Me: "Cool, you remembered "
Her: "Haha I know, we're so fly!"

*I went in and I changed, but neither of the shirts looked particularly flattering on me. One could have, but was too small, so I went out to ask for the medium.*

Me: "So I tried them both on, but the solid colored one was too small on me, and the striped one sorta made me look like Waldo."
Her: *laughs*
Me: "Do you think I could try on a medium?"
Her: "Sure! Lets *something* before they yell at me."
Me: "Why would they yell at you?"
Her: "There's a certain protocol we have to follow for *something*"
Me: "Oh, sorry then. I'd hate to get you in trouble."
Her: "Nope! You're fine."

I try on the shirt again, but still didn't like it, so I handed it back at the counter and walked back to the front of the store, where she was folding shirts.

Me: "Nope. Sorry."
Her: "That's okay! Bye!"
Me: "See ya!"

I took a few steps out, then went back inside.

Me: "Hang on, one question."
Her: "Sure!"
Me: "Do you have a boyfriend?"
Her: "Umm.... No, I don't"
Me: "I wanted to see if I could have your number "
Her: "Hahaha! Umm... sure! You can have it! "
Me: *Step to the side* "What is it?"
Her: *gives number*
Me: "Sweet! I"ll text you tonight."
Her: "I'm so excited "


This one is first confirmed number close since last summer. As I am typing this, she has just responded with "Hey AP! I just got off of work. And it's Teresa. XD"

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Here is where I'm currently at with Teresa:

Her: "Hey AP I'm sorry I didn't respond I had a track meet that ran late and then I went to sleep. How are you?"
Me: "It's fine what are you doing this weekend?"
Her: "Relay for Life on Friday, Feed My Starving Children on Saturday and a movie. Umm,I don't know if I work yet... Why? "
Me: "You guys have relay for life this late??? Lmao I wanted to see if you wanted to meet up "
Her: "Haha, yeah What school do you go to? Hmmm, I'm not really sure about this weekend because I don't know if I work yet."
Me: "We could probably met up after work... Unless of course you plan on going straight to bed after your shift ends lol. I go to tartan "
Her: "Haha maybe. I honestly won't know until tomorrow because that is when they relase our schedules. Awesome, I know some people that go there xD"
Me: "Cool we'll have to talk about the people we both know when we hang out then.. But in the mean time, let me know what your schedule looks like tomorrow"
Her: "Umm, I have NHS in the morning, school, gotta bake cupcakes for a bake sale and then Relay for Life"
Me: "Nooooooooo, I mean let me know about your weekend schedule tomorrow, as in when you find out if you work or not lmao"

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Me: "Hey Teresa So do you happen to have any free time tomorrow, or nah?"

Also I had a quick two interactions two days ago at Walmart.

Girl #1:
Me: "Would it be alright today if a stranger gave another stranger a sincere compliment?"
Her: "Hahaha, um... sure!"
Me: "Well alright then, give me a compliment!"
Her: "Haha! Um... It was very nice of you to walk up to me and 'ask me for a compliment'"
Me: "No problem, what are you up to right now?" (I'll remember to ask name first for future reference)
Her: "Nothin, I'm just looking for a clown costume.. I gotta go, but thank you!"
Me: "Haha, alright!"

Girl #2:
This was at a checkout line. Her mom and dad were behind her, so I ripped off a corner of a coupon, wrote my number on it and handed it to her. As I held it out, she stared at it for a while and said "What?" I said, "It's my number! Text me!" and she responded "No thanks!" Whatever.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Thanks to the "alright then, give me a compliment" opener, and how easy it is to deliver and own it, the plateau of last year has most certainly been broken. My recent interactions were miles smoother than anything I had ever done before them, number or no number... I've looked at infield footage of daygame from The Natural Lifestyles, SashaDaygame, and RSDTyler, and they're beginning to mirror their interactions. Gone are the uneasy feelings after the direct approach, gone are the mildly uncomfortable reactions of the girls, and my subsequent nervousness, and gone is the urge to get out ASAP.

The girls are still taken by surprise, but they're giggling, actively contributing to the conversation, and seem way more into talking to me than ever before... And as for me, I'm smiling the whole time I do it, almost smirking, and rather than taking the whole thing seriously, I'm finding the girls' reactions incredibly amusing... Whether they giggle uncontrollably, try to wave me off because they're on the phone, when they try to re-open me as I walk away because I got bored of waiting for them to finish their phone conversation, or our conversations get interrupted by a phone call and she walks of... Hell, even after one of the girls told me she had a boyfriend, I still poked fun of her a bit before I said goodbye and left with my wing.

I have to give my compliments to the person that came up with the opener, because I found it to be very, very versatile... It matches my theme of making my intentions clear without overtly stating them too.

This is getting very interesting

 

[AsianPersuasion]

A couple things I've noticed today during my fairgrounds pickup:

1) Acting unsure about a girl's age and then asking is almost a sure-fire way to get rejected at the end
2) The "okay, give me a compliment" opener appears to be great with keeping both parties comfortable. It's very easy to pull it off and remain smooth and confident the whole way through. One drawback seems to be that girls will almost never tell you they have a boyfriend until you actually propose a date.
3) The girls friends are beginning to cock-block me. I think this is because last year, I was so shaky that they knew I'd never convince their friend to do anything, but with practice, I've become a bit more "dangerous."
4) Approaching girls around parents is a risk not worth the reward.
5) A good way to transition to the date proposal is to have a conversation about what the girl likes, and then asking if she likes coffee. If I get this far, it seems to work unless the girl hasn't mentioned that she has a boyfriend, but in one instance it worked, only for the girl to text me after about her boyfriend.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

6) Girls slightly older than me seem much more open to conversation than girls my age or slightly younger. Perhaps this is a social maturity thing.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Hey Casanova!

I discovered this last year after getting kicked outta that mall! Haha, on the day I got kicked out, those mall cops mentioned I had a few people report me in the past and I figure parents might have been a few... Reading the body language of a few of them as I hit on their daughters let me know they weren't very open to it... Hahaha

MOST moms are, don't get me wrong, but the ones that get butthurt and report you can ruin a great spot for you in a very short amount of time... Plus after I turned 18, my demographic shifted from trying to find girls my age or a little younger to girls my age or a little older... Girls that are with their moms are very often too young.

The small chance that the mom will report me plus the likelihood that that the girl probably is too young anyway made me conclude that the risk wasn't worth the reward... But the days that I did, I guess I just kinda opened the girl like I normally would and wave to the mom.. If she was cool, I'd involve her in the conversation in a sort of "help me out" kinda thing Like I said, most were cool like this and didn't make it such a big deal.

Feel free to borrow anything! Sharing is caring hahaha

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Night-Game:

A wingman of mine set me up on a double date with him, but it was a movie date and largely unsuccessful... Both of us were frustrated with the lack of results, and thus we decided to get our fix from other women... All the malls and stuff were closed, and thus began my first night game run.

To me, I think clubs are something I'll be treating like junk food... Alright every once and a while when you need some fast gratification, but by no means should it make up the bulk of your diet.

- The girls there are so-so even with all their make-up and sexy clothes...
- There's very little room for conversation given the booming music..
- They all are high on male attention and thus have walls up..
- Trying to game them on the dance-floor leads nowhere
- Most aren't exactly the types of girls I'd have a deep conversation with..
- The particular one I went to had no place for girls to cool off after they were finished gyrating, thus foiling my original plan of talking to them on the outside, isolating, and number closing.
- Since you can't see their lips, making out with them there probably isn't a very good idea.

On the plus side though:

- High population makes it INCREDIBLY easy to mass approach. Most guys I saw there were hemming and hawing about asking girls to dance... With most of my work being day-game though, this was a walk in the park... I think I approached at least 30 different girls within less than an hour
- They might be getting their fix of male attention, but you also can get your fix of female attention when you need something to lift your spirits.
- Dance-Floor game might be a shot in the dark, but that dancing does teach you to be in the moment... And boy does that friction feel nice
- Better than sitting at home.

Of 30 approaches, I got my fix of female attention (and friction) from about 7 or 8 girls... of those 7 or 8, I got 2 number closes that may or may not respond in the morning.

Not the type of venue I'll be trying to improve my skills with women in, but hey, at least I had fun.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Despite going to the fair again, we got sidetracked and I was only able to open 4 girls, two of which gave me their numbers. One number was fake, and the other girl turned out to be 14 years old.... Oops...

On a side note, I tested out pre-opening today. It appears pre-opening a girl by walking beside her and nudging her side definitely works wonders and makes them more open to your original opener.

I'll have to keep testing that tomorrow

 

[AsianPersuasion]

It appears as though I've reached a new plateau. I've gotten past the point of approaching and getting almost zero real number closes... Now I'm getting one real number close about every ten approaches.

It looks like the new challenge is converting number closes to dates... Bring it on

 

[AsianPersuasion]

A couple observations from these last few weeks of approaching:

1) If you have a problem with forgetting people's names a few minutes after they tell you, asking for their name again does not solve the problem. This insults the person and drastically decreases the chance of her texting you back... On the other hand, asking the girl to give herself a cute nickname in your contacts allows you to get away with having a name forgetting problem should you be unable to fix it.

2) If for any reason you need to give the girl your number and rely on her shooting you the first text, it is HIGHLY unlikely that you two will ever text at all. Never forget your phone when you are out approaching.

3) Considering yourself "open-minded" is becoming a new fad these days, and everyone wants to be known as open-minded. You can use this to your advantage by adding "...If you're open-minded like that" at the end of your date proposal. It appears to about doubles your chance of getting a number close.

4) Pre-opening with a nudge to the side appears to make the girl more open to your opener... This is kind of the point of pre-opening, but at least I confirmed it out in the field.

5) Talking quietly or trying to whisper, even in locations that it'd be appropriate to do so, appears to drastically lower chances of success... I think this is because trying to conceal your words to others makes you look sketchy. For this reason, the best places to approach are populated places where there is enough background noise to keep your conversation out of the ears of other people. This makes the inside of clothing stores, book stores, and libraries poor places for day game. Fairs, streets, store exteriors, and mall walking areas are the best I've found so far because they allow you to speak at perfect volume without being socially awkward.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

Last night, I discovered how to approach a group of girls with a guy in the group, and have it so the guy does not try to cock-block you.

"Hey bro, do you think I could ask you a question?"
"Sure man, go ahead"
"Does THAT girl have a boyfriend?" *gesture in the direction of the girl of your choice*

If he says yes, move on. If he says no, thank him and then go ahead and open her. So far, I haven't had a single guy not be totally cool with it, whereas before when I just opened the girl, the guy always got in my way regardless of if they were dating or not.

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Also, I started testing out a new opener.

*pre-open with nudge* "Hey um... I was wondering if you could help me out with something..."
"Sure, what is it?"
"Okay, well let's say you're an 18 year old guy who saw a (describe what you like about the girl, e.g. blonde haired girl in a pink top with really cute blue eyes) and you wanted to flirt with her... How would you go about flirting with her?"

I haven't field-tested this enough to vouch for it's pros and cons yet, but so far it looks like an incredibly easy opener to deliver... Almost as easy as the "Alright, give me a compliment" opener. Both slightly feign nervousness in the beginning, but reveal bolder intent later.

"I have a boyfriend, sorry."
"'I have a boyfriend, sorry?' Hmm... I'm not entirely sure how that would help me flirt with her... You're not very good at this are you?"

I'll let you guys know how this opener works later

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Finally, I've discovered that first texting the girl "Hey *name* it's AP what's up?" seems to work better for me than "Hey *name* it's AP save my number"

I'll hypothesize right now that as your demographic shifts to more mature women, minimizing the text interaction becomes more advantageous for you... In my current demographic though it appears you need to slow it down a bit and build at least some comfort through text. Just another observation.

 

[AsianPersuasion]

During this last month or so of college, it's come to my attention that people get a very pretentious vibe from me when I speak to them. Girls smile and seem to like it, but are very cautious about giving me too much. Girls I don't flirt with just hate my guts automatically.

I take this as a sign that my asshole training has made me more attractive, but it's also dropped my attainability way low. For this next section of my life, I'll be working on toning down the asshole a bit and add some more vulnerability. This should fix the problem.