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Sensation

Cro-Magnon Man
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Haven't put my hands on a girl for a long time. Took myself out of the game as it wasn't feeling right. Got my shit together during the pandemic and wanted to re-kindle the flames of passion. This is where is begins.

I went out for Halloween dressed as a sexy movie character in a tux. Small event, but had some talent. Chatted with some girls, but one in particular seemed interested. She was dressed as a sexy movie character in a black bodysuit. Fairly short, nice hair and body. Afghani girl with a big nose, in her late 30's. She made a point to say she would come back to talk to me, and when I got her number she made a point to make sure I spelled her name right. She made a comment with some sexual innuendo about me in front of several people, so I knew she was hot for me.

We start texting the next day, and I’m filling her head with imagery: the wind blowing in her hair, shit like that. She’s loving it. On a high point, I pitch the meet. She eagerly accepts. Meet for drinks on Day 2 within a week. First date I’ve been on in a long time so I’m fairly nervous, but it’s probably not showing that much. After 1.5 hours it still doesn’t feel like IT’S ON, so during a bathroom break I tell myself to ramp it up. I get her sitting even closer to me, stroking her hand, her hair, good eye contact. Now we’re getting somewhere. We kiss a few times. My goal for the date was to find out if this was going anywhere, and I believe that it is, so I call it a night.

We continue texting, I give her more imagery, she loves it some more. Says guys never do this with her. I realize I’m getting to flattering, so I back off a little. We arrange a second date. She cancels the morning of because of some family shit. I don’t contact her for a few days, then she does, and asks if I can see her the next day. Sexual tension gets pretty high and she says she’s very excited, and can’t wait to see me.

We go out for drinks. She’s wearing a red lace dress with no bra. Our server comments on it. I have a hard-on. We are given complimentary Champagne by the restaurant when she tells the staff about our hot date. At this point she comes out and asks me if I think it’s better if we take it slow. I don’t immediately say anything because I don’t want to say anything I’ll regret later like “fuck that shit honey”. She takes my silence to mean that I’m considering it (I’m not) and says, in the most domineering tone she’s tried on me yet “I’m going to the bathroom now, you should think about it”. She’s trying to bring the hammer down. Upon her return she asks for my answer, I tell her “there’s nothing to think about, of course not”. I remind her that in order for the flames of passion to burn hot, they need to be tended. After some more talking and some kissing, I suggest we go to my place. She delays a bit, but knows that she will lose me if she doesn’t.

First thing she says when we get outside the restaurant is suggest we take a walk by the water. No, it’s windy I say (fuck this delaying shit). We walk a minute and find a hidden alcove and make out for the first time. Walk another minute to the train station and she says the way home from my station will be dangerous, would I take her back myself? Of course, I say (she’s still trying to blow me out of pulling her, and at this point I would have told her I’d carry her on my back if I felt it would help). One train stop before mine she says she needs smokes. Go to several stores, more makeouts, mini venue changes can only help I’m thinking.

Get to my place, show her around, crack out some home-made wine, and put on a shitty movie. More kissing, now squeezing those cans of hers, all good. She wants to smoke, and as we come back inside I suggest going to the bedroom (I have roommate so can only escalate so much in living room). I expect her to says no, but I do it to get the first “no” out of the way. Watch more movie, things are getting hotter. On the way back in from second smoke I grab her upper arm and say “let’s go, it’s more comfortable in the bedroom.”

We lie down and watch music videos, her dress comes down enough to suck on those titties. She’s wearing a thong, but every time I try to put my hand down there she pushes it away. She tells me to take off my clothes so we’re both in our undies. We dry hump like mad. I try to get her to suck me off several times but she won’t. Says if she sucks it, she’ll fuck it, and doesn’t want to fuck on a second date. We dry hump like I never had before. She wants me to do pretend doggy style. Her thong is askew so I have full view of her pussy from behind. I grind it hard and start pulling her hair. She’s moaning and shit. I still have her hair everywhere. I end up naked with her on top, her panties are so wet I can feel it, and dirty talk a bunch. But she won’t suck me or fuck me. It’s driving us both insane.
She says she has to go, and tells me all the shit she will do to me next time I see her.

Try to arrange to meet again, she says let’s go to the movies, I say come over here again. This bugs her enough that she calls it quits. She knew that if she came over we would fuck, and that would fuck-up her plans to nail down a provider that she would rule with her pussy. Too bad, she was pretty cool and I enjoyed hanging out with her.

We parted amicably, and I saw her at an event 2 weeks later. At the same event I ran into the girl that was supposed to come out with me for Halloween but got sick. Tomorrow is our Day2 so hopefully I have something to report on that soon too.
 

Gaturro

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Did you try rubbing your dick against her? Going down on her until she can’t take it anymore?

I mean, if there were moans, you can just comply “yeah we’re not doing anything you don’t want to” “of course we won’t fuck” while you continue to escalate…

Verbally deescalate and physically escalate…
 

Sensation

Cro-Magnon Man
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Did you try rubbing your dick against her? Going down on her until she can’t take it anymore?

I mean, if there were moans, you can just comply “yeah we’re not doing anything you don’t want to” “of course we won’t fuck” while you continue to escalate…

Verbally deescalate and physically escalate…
She kept stopping anything below the belt (except grinding). We "dry" humped like I had never done before (mostly naked with a lot of hair pulling and moaning). We talked about oral, but she told me if we did it, she wouldn't be able hold out against me. She said I was too suave.

At the second date I could tell her ASD was getting high, so I told her that "I" decree that we wouldn't fuck. She told me no one had ever said that to her. Her response was "if I say we're going to fuck, we're going to fuck and there's nothing you can do about it". Flipping the script on her so fried her brain that she kept bringing up my comment all night. Repeatedly asked me if I had expected to fuck her on the second date.

Frankly, I've never had a girl so obviously into me that didn't allow anything to go on below the belt. She was *dying* for it. But I'm sure she was provider hunting, and it seems she felt her pussy was her only bargaining chip. And that chip was gonna get cashed at the next meet leaving her with nothing.

As she was getting dressed, she bent over in front of me to show me how she would fuck me next time, told me how good of a cock sucker she was, etc. I'm sure this gave her buyers remorse the next day. It felt like a sure thing to me at that point, and that was my mistake: I should have told her we wouldn't fuck the next time I saw her. It's not only the guy who can spike a woman's ASD. But even when SHE does it, it's still the guys job to walk her back from the edge.
 

Gaturro

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She kept stopping anything below the belt (except grinding). We "dry" humped like I had never done before (mostly naked with a lot of hair pulling and moaning). We talked about oral, but she told me if we did it, she wouldn't be able hold out against me. She said I was too suave.

At the second date I could tell her ASD was getting high, so I told her that "I" decree that we wouldn't fuck. She told me no one had ever said that to her. Her response was "if I say we're going to fuck, we're going to fuck and there's nothing you can do about it". Flipping the script on her so fried her brain that she kept bringing up my comment all night. Repeatedly asked me if I had expected to fuck her on the second date.

Frankly, I've never had a girl so obviously into me that didn't allow anything to go on below the belt. She was *dying* for it. But I'm sure she was provider hunting, and it seems she felt her pussy was her only bargaining chip. And that chip was gonna get cashed at the next meet leaving her with nothing.

As she was getting dressed, she bent over in front of me to show me how she would fuck me next time, told me how good of a cock sucker she was, etc. I'm sure this gave her buyers remorse the next day. It felt like a sure thing to me at that point, and that was my mistake: I should have told her we wouldn't fuck the next time I saw her. It's not only the guy who can spike a woman's ASD. But even when SHE does it, it's still the guys job to walk her back from the edge.
i believe that if she did all that you should’ve just gone for it while she was telling you what she would do. she already said it, she crossed that line, she was getting buyers remorse anyway. plus if you say you won’t have sex it can even backfire, and maybe it was you who gave her buyers remorse lol

what i did once with a girl who didn’t want to fuck until next date, i pulled out my cock, told her to give it a kiss (sometimes they end up blowing you), she didn’t comply but after a while she ended up kissing it (just a small kiss). nothing else. i was like “omg but you turned me on so muchhhh damnnn” acting horny (i was lol). next date was a bar, some drinks, and a motel. no LMR at all

but yeah i believe there can be a bit of provider hunting, especially her being in her late 30s
 

Sensation

Cro-Magnon Man
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Oh I pulled my dick out, tried to get her to suck it half a dozen times. Tried to grab the pussy at least as much but she wouldn't have any of that either. Not even outside the underwear, for even a second. Hell at one point I stood up on the bed, dancing in my underwear to a good song. I took my undies off and was nakedly swinging my dick in her face. She loved it, said it was big and beautiful, but would not touch it.

I am not scared of attempting to escalate repeatedly, so was very surprised she held out. To her credit, she stuck to her guns in a way I think most women wouldn't have been able to (because she was clearly on a mission). It was like the sexual version of the battle of Stalingrad. She never gave up.
 

Gaturro

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Oh I pulled my dick out, tried to get her to suck it half a dozen times. Tried to grab the pussy at least as much but she wouldn't have any of that either. Not even outside the underwear, for even a second. Hell at one point I stood up on the bed, dancing in my underwear to a good song. I took my undies off and was nakedly swinging my dick in her face. She loved it, said it was big and beautiful, but would not touch it.

I am not scared of attempting to escalate repeatedly, so was very surprised she held out. To her credit, she stuck to her guns in a way I think most women wouldn't have been able to (because she was clearly on a mission). It was like the sexual version of the battle of Stalingrad. She never gave up.
omg the last paragraph hahaha

well yeah there was nothing you could do i guess
 

Will_V

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I think you've got the right idea in that you needed to walk her back from the edge. Girls don't like to go into an 'ITS ON!!!' situation like coming back to yours after virtually promising to bang.

I had a somewhat similar situation one time, I had a girl over and down to her panties only, I was rubbing her from the back, she was saying 'you're so bad!' and moaning etc but there was just no way to go any further. I tried to take them off she'd just grab them and pull them back up.

At a certain point I was bored with it, so I completely stopped, cuddled her a bit, we talked for a while and she stayed over, she left in the morning in a good vibe. Next time she came over we went shopping together, made chicken soup, and before it was even cooked we banged.

Part of it is that I sensed she really wanted it, she was enjoying it and wanted more, but it was like a switch just flipped at some point and she was like "no!". So I didn't hold it against her or pressure her too much, and after we had stopped messing around the first time I showed a lot of warmth - the way I saw it I wanted to show her what it would be like after we banged, so she could see it would be good, and it worked.
 

Gaturro

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I think you've got the right idea in that you needed to walk her back from the edge. Girls don't like to go into an 'ITS ON!!!' situation like coming back to yours after virtually promising to bang.

I had a somewhat similar situation one time, I had a girl over and down to her panties only, I was rubbing her from the back, she was saying 'you're so bad!' and moaning etc but there was just no way to go any further. I tried to take them off she'd just grab them and pull them back up.

At a certain point I was bored with it, so I completely stopped, cuddled her a bit, we talked for a while and she stayed over, she left in the morning in a good vibe. Next time she came over we went shopping together, made chicken soup, and before it was even cooked we banged.

Part of it is that I sensed she really wanted it, she was enjoying it and wanted more, but it was like a switch just flipped at some point and she was like "no!". So I didn't hold it against her or pressure her too much, and after we had stopped messing around the first time I showed a lot of warmth - the way I saw it I wanted to show her what it would be like after we banged, so she could see it would be good, and it worked.
Yes i agree, probably should have accepted the movies date if he really wanted to bang
 

Sensation

Cro-Magnon Man
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Yes i agree, probably should have accepted the movies date if he really wanted to bang
Yes, I'm sure that's the case. I got annoyed because I hate going to the movies with a chick I haven't slept with, and I took it for granted that I would see her again. I could tell she was annoyed by my reluctance, but I still didn't communicate with her for a few days. At the very beginning of the interaction, I annoyed her with a rather sexual text and she cancelled the Day2. But I immediately corrected it and our date happened 3 days later. I should have corrected it a second time. My cockiness about the later situation led me to think that the movie thing was *her* problem. But since I hadn't fucked her yet, it was really my problem, and I should have been happy that she was eager to see me again.
 

POB

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LMR is the worst shit ever!

On the rare occasions I had it, the best you can do is push-pull like crazy and turn your back on her after 3 failed attempts.

failed attempt 01: get up and go to the kitchen to grab some water, start over after 2-3 minutes
failed attempt 02: go to the bathroom, start over after 2-3 minutes
failed attempt 03: get up and hit the shower alone...if she joins, fuck her in the shower...if not, leave her naked and go watch some TV wrapped in towel...ignore her completely unless she escalates on you and sex happens.

If she bullshits you again, put your clothes on and escort her to the door.
 
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a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Sensation

Cro-Magnon Man
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i love this
Thanks. She had HER "line in the sand" moment, and this one was mine. Delivered matter-of-factly.
We had been texting about passion between dates, and she loved it. But now face to face, she was waffling about being somewhere private with me. So I had to make it clear that she was on borrowed time. She knew it wouldn't be congruent to say no, and I could tell that the realization of this bugged her a bit. She could tell I was going to walk away otherwise (and 2 dates is more than enough time to decide if something more substantial was going to happen).
 

Skills

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Thanks. She had HER "line in the sand" moment, and this one was mine. Delivered matter-of-factly.
We had been texting about passion between dates, and she loved it. But now face to face, she was waffling about being somewhere private with me. So I had to make it clear that she was on borrowed time. She knew it wouldn't be congruent to say no, and I could tell that the realization of this bugged her a bit. She could tell I was going to walk away otherwise (and 2 dates is more than enough time to decide if something more substantial was going to happen).
sensation i had an identical situation couple of times, in other words you can clearly see she is sexually turn on, you are turn on, but there is that .00000001 level of resistance, which is more in my mental masturbation opinion, her internal mental rule, she put on herself not to do it.... I have a technique which worked for me couple of time, were i constantly reinforce that the sex act WON'T HAPPEN, while physically escalation, if you read the lay report, i was in the situation you were in (i included the lay report in the explanation) https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...act-while-physical-verbally-escalating.24286/
 

Sensation

Cro-Magnon Man
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sensation i had an identical situation couple of times, in other words you can clearly see she is sexually turn on, you are turn on, but there is that .00000001 level of resistance, which is more in my mental masturbation opinion, her internal mental rule, she put on herself not to do it.... I have a technique which worked for me couple of time, were i constantly reinforce that the sex act WON'T HAPPEN, while physically escalation, if you read the lay report, i was in the situation you were in (i included the lay report in the explanation) https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...act-while-physical-verbally-escalating.24286/
Yes, this is it! Somewhere in the report I mention doing some of this during the second date, and how it fried her brain (but only later I realized I should have also done it before the next planned date). She told me that no one had ever said anything like that to her before. I'd been reviewing old seduction material I have on my computer, and got this particular tip from Heartiste "a devious takeaway". As soon as I read it I knew I was going to use it on her. It's amazing how trying to take away the power of her feminine prerogative on withholding sex will be met with near hostility.
And yes, it was a rule of hers. She told me that 2 years ago she finally knew what she was looking for. And I could tell that it was to trade her pussy for a guy's balls.
 
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