FU BaywatchBabe

[Marty]

I'm going to write this up while it's fresh in my mind, and then go out and do some more day-game. That way, at least I'll channel my energy into something useful.

I met this girl three weeks ago, when we were out running in the park. Now that I take a proper look at her, she's about 6'2", 30 or so, very athletically built around the shoulders and legs, perfect breasts, lovely flat stomach, broad feminine hips, with a cute face and mid-brown hair flowing down to just above her waist. Much of her life she has dedicated to the encouragement of sport, and she works at a sporting-goods company. She told me on today's date that she once worked as a lifeguard, before she got into her PR career, so what with that and her striking appearance as described, I've called her BaywatchBabe, just for fun (not that I've ever seen that show)!

Oh dear. Such a generous quantity of perfect female flesh, so intensely desirable, all gone. It's such a pity.

It's been a while, so here's what happened in the interim over iMessage:

• 2/8 2:24 PM—Marty: Hey BaywatchBabe. Nice to meet a fellow runner -Marty
  
  2/8 2:48 PM—BWB: Wow, you have a good memory! Nice to meet you too.
  
  2/8 4:13 PM—Marty: Maybe just a good head for figures When might be a good day for you to have that cup of tea?
  
  2/20 9:50 AM—Marty: Hello BaywatchBabe! Sorry for the long silence, I was away on vacation. Care to grab a bite... how about early next week? or Sat lunch? -Marty
  
  2/20 12:44 PM—BWB: Oh my! I totally forgot to respond to you. Hope you had a wonderful vacation and are all rested up. I'm traveling for work through Tuesday. Saturday morning is open, what time were you thinking?
  
  2/20 2:45 PM—Marty: I did How about 11 AM Saturday, does that work for you?
  
  2/21 5:02 PM—BWB: 2/28 at 11 AM. That works! Where should we meet?
  
  2/22 9:00 AM—Marty: 3/1 at 11 AM, I think! Café Z (intersection) is a good solid choice.
  
  2/22 9:24 AM—BWB: Hahaha... totally right! This shows you why multitasking doesn't work!!
  
  2/22 9:25 AM—BWB: Café Z, great choice. See you then!
  
  3/1 9:08 AM—Marty: See you in a couple hours. I'll meet you at the front door of the café.
  
  3/1 9:34 AM—BWB: Great, see you soon!

Mindful of Franco's exhortation to get her out of there in less than 90 minutes, and with a lot of other advice in my back pocket, I determined to exit that café before 12:30 PM.

At the appointed time she came ambling down the street with a carefree, daydream-like demeanor; I recognized her instantly, despite the three-week gap, because there aren't many girls with that height and athletic build. We cheek-kissed (I had to tiptoe... just kidding) and I guided her by the small of the back through the café door. I rejected the first table offered as being in too busy a situation (why do they do this to me?) and accepted instead a more cozy table in the rear.

I deep-dove her for no more than the appointed time. In fact, I think it was around 12:15 PM when I grabbed the check as she visited the ladies'. Throughout the conversation, she was playing with her beautiful long hair, smiling at me and looking wide-eyed. She's so gorgeous

She told me that she had another appointment at 2 PM that she needed to ready herself for... get changed and suchlike.

• BWB: I really do need to go... I think I'll take a rain-check, I hate using that as an excuse though. But I was traveling on business last weekend, so I have to squeeze so much into this one.
  
  Marty: Sure. I'm not going to get into your hair, don't worry!

Then as we leave the café I again guide her by the small of her back:

• Marty: I mean that in general, not just today. You have a busy career and so forth, I'd be happy to see you when you have time and get out of your way when you don't.
  
  BWB: I appreciate that.

Fair enough, she lived walking distance away so I walked her home. She took my arm, and as we turned off of the city's main thoroughfare, somehow the conversation took an interesting turn and she asked what made me open her:

• 
  Marty: I mean, you're just so delightful, BaywatchBabe.
  
  BWB: Oh thank you! People don't normally say hello to me.
  
  Marty: You can't really mean that. Anyway, if I hadn't, you'd have disappeared out of my life that moment...
  
  BWB: Well, kudos to you for coming to say hello.
  
  Marty: And your tall, athletic, muscular figure really turns me on, I couldn't resist.
  
  BWB: I appreciate that very much!

We chat a little further and arrive at her condo; inexplicably, she pecks me on the cheek.

• 
  Marty: (confused look) What was that?

I make to take her in my arms and do the job properly, but she turns her other cheek.

• 
  BWB: I think it's better if, we, well, you know...

She won't kiss on the mouth. Why bother with the date? Just to chat and get a bite to eat?

• 
  Marty: Oh! in that case.. (at a loss for words briefly) it's been a pleasure knowing you, BaywatchBabe.

She cheek-kisses me again and I depart.

I don't like this. I don't mean to be negative, but it's so pointless when this happens. Someone wrote recently, I think it was Eric or Nova but I can't find the post, that if a girl agrees to go out with you, you're already most of the way there, all you have to do is not go wrong. It's because she already likes you.

Well, here, I feel like this is not the case. She was on the point of saying "let's just be friends". So why date me at all? I wish I knew

I think maybe I need a better career, I was doing okay in my early 30s, paid a shitload, working in Eastern Europe. Since I moved to the States there haven't really been the professional opportunities and the ladies probably sense I'm not high-flying anymore. It's a lot of fun living here, less pressure and so forth, but I think I'll return to Central/Eastern Europe and focus on my career, should help a bit. At least I've had lots of free time to practice the skills taught here—I certainly feel as if I've made best use of the freedom I've had.

Oh and I'm only 6'0"—maybe she wants someone who doesn't have to tiptoe to kiss her Not much I can do about that at my age!!

Now, I am off to a university campus to do some more day-game and find someone better. Ha!

-Marty

 

[stratvm]

telling you the truth its discouraging to read stories like this. i think if there is a no-response for a message it doesnt worth following up because even if they happen to respond and we meet it doesnt lead to anywhere at all.

Oh dear. Such a generous quantity of perfect female flesh, so intensely desirable, all gone. It's such a pity.

maybe she felt you were too much into her.

Marty: And your tall, athletic, muscular figure really turns me on, I couldn't resist.

see above

Throughout the conversation, she was playing with her beautiful long hair, smiling at me and looking wide-eyed. She's so gorgeous

... wtf, if she was doing it she must have liked you.

We chat a little further and arrive at her condo; inexplicably, she pecks me on the cheek.

i would have created a social excuse to get up to her apartment, maybe she was expecting you to be decisive at that point. to me this seems to be THE FU. also the interaction seems to be too platonic & respectful and stuff. i mean, after reading NJ/Anatman/Tool/etc LRs the difference is clear...?

I think maybe I need a better career, I was doing okay in my early 30s, paid a shitload, working in Eastern Europe. Since I moved to the States there haven't really been the professional opportunities and the ladies probably sense I'm not high-flying anymore.

its definitely not about the money, they dont give a fck about it. on a sidenote, if you can go to eastern europe then go, i tried my tinder profile once with a german sounding name and i got loads of fit romanian matches with the exact same profile i had - totally unattractive english colleague same match rate. i dont want to imply anything but the pattern is clear to me -- if i tell someone - not just necessarily a girl - im from denmark im treated way better than when i say im from EE.

romania, serbia & ukraine are your best choices my friend to point you to the right direction

 

[stratvm]

Don't worry about it, I think it's just an issue of fundamentals. Unfortunately there's no quick fix, the only solution seems to be to open another 100 or so girls to develop the right demeanor—which is exactly what I'm doing.

yeah im forcing myself to speak to girls too but i doubt going into high risk situations worth it, i just keep my efforts ultralow while still stepping out of my comfort zone. without success trying is futile -- but now that i smile at them, say hi & see what happens, do small talk with them & stuff im growing more and more confident so yeah, there is nothing new under the sun maybe the pace is different for all of us.

Of course I was into her! I take it you're kidding me here? Do you date girls you're not into, Stratum?

franco pointed out to me in a topic cant remember where that doing it without as much emotions as possible is key and i feel it myself too. i lost my last LR- awesome girl by getting emotional after she got back to me after 2 weeks.

Do you have data to back this up? Ricardus, whom I very much respect as an author, seems to think it is important.

personal experience. you can buy their time but you cant buy their affection. nevertheless the biggest selling point for me in the US/UK would be the sugardaddy culture which makes things easier but again personal experience: its not really rewarding emotionally even though you dont really need to pay them money. my 2cents for you guys all who think money matters: just go out and speak to them girlz, you will feel better about yourself and you get true affection -- this is what ive started again.

You're right. I'm not at that level... yet. But who knows? I know I'm a slow learner, but with things I really believe in, I'm persistent and get there eventually, so we'll see.

i highly doubt we get there but i do think even above 30 we can improve the situation drastically.

Yes, I was actually thinking the Ukraine might be a good option once things there settle down a bit I speak good Russian and think I should be able to branch out into Ukrainian without too much effort... plus the Ukrainians are fully-civilized Europeans, so it should be a good deal more pleasant than the 5 years of my life I spent in Russia.

putin is just about the obliterate the whole country

 

[Mr.Rob]

I'm speculating Marts (hope you don't mind me calling you that but I think you probably did good conversation wise.

It's too bad she wasn't free afterward to have you over to give her a message or show her you're Farmville score .

I think that was the missing link, you didn't get time to escalate.

I also think you positioned yourself as a provider, as evidenced by her kiss cheek goodbye and not awaiting to see what you would do.

I make to take her in my arms and do the job properly, but she turns her other cheek.

BWB: I think it's better if, we, well, you know...

Though I think you could have persisted here a bit and gotten something to happen. Perhaps she was testing you?

I also think you could have been more sexual, unless you simply didn't write about it in your report.

Think about it if NJ, Zphix, Chase or any Jedi Seduction Master went on a date with that girl it probably would've ended up different (though I could be wrong). They probably would have been a lot more sexual as well (though like aforementioned perhaps you didn't talk about it in the report).

Take the same girl and make her horny somehow (I seem to get lucky when I accomplish this feat or don't realize I'm doing it when I do) and she'll cancel her appointment or find a way to get dressed quick.

It's all good like you said keep meeting more women and peg it up as more experience.

I fucked up myself the other day pretty bad, though it wasn't necessarily the girl I was upset at, and even though I really liked the girl (a real independent country bumpkin, shy with a zest for excitement and thrill. Also similar Byronic traits as me) I know I just gained new reference points and experience down the road.

Finally I don't think your career is hugely important to your success here. In contrast to Ricardus's article what about Chase's perspective on the lover vs. the loser? Just some thoughts. I know I'm beating a dead horse but I think if you trained yourself to the point of being hardcore sexual and found out how to turn women on easy I think you could live on the street and have a god like sex life.

My 2 cents brotha, cheers!

-Rob

 

[Franco]

Marty,

Building upon what was mentioned above already by stratvm and Rob, you should give us the parts of the conversation where things turned "sexual." If there were no parts of your conversation that ended up that way, then I think you know where the problem was. =)

Also, it really helps to persist when you have the opportunity to take a girl home or go home with her. This part:

BWB: I think it's better if, we, well, you know...

Marty: Oh! in that case.. (at a loss for words briefly) it's been a pleasure knowing you, BaywatchBabe.

You were right in front of her place, and she just gave you a peck on the cheek. When she turned away and said, "well, you know...," that could have been an opportunity to not only push for the close, but to turn things sexual:

BWB: I think it's better if, we, well, you know...

Marty: ...I know that you're looking really sexy right now and I just can't keep my eyes off of you!

*Get really close to her and place your hands on her hips as if you're waiting for her to engage in a more passionate kiss*

BWB: *Giggling* Stop it!

Marty: Stop what? I can't help myself! *Smirk*

BWB: Haha... okay, maybe just one more.

*Keep her pulled in for a longer, drawn-out kiss*

(in between kissing) Marty: ...are you sure you don't have a few extra minutes before you go? I think we're having a little too much fun here. *Still smirking*

The conversation can go in many directions from this point, but the idea is to let her know that you are ready to take her to bed there and now. Even if your persistence doesn't break you through, she'll go back inside her home all hot and bothered while wondering what it would have been like if she had let you inside. Would you have thrown her up against a wall and torn her clothes off, leading to some passionate animal sex? Would you have slowly de-robed her piece by piece in her living room and then made passionate love to her on her couch?

These are all the things you need her wondering about as she goes back inside... which will prime her for the second date. Of course, once you get good enough (and you learn to become persistent enough), then you won't need a second date.

- Franco