Beauty and chances : always inverse proportion?

[lux7]

THE BEAUTIFUL GIRL
I met sometime ago a very beautiful girl.
In my head I kept thinking: 1. she was very beautiful and "that meant I prolly needed to make something happen" but 2. I hadn't showered, was very tired, was wearing flat shoes and she was taller.. Yeah, the whole set of excuses .. So maybe a phone number was ok.

I didn't stick with the interaction. Yet she still replied to texts even though it was a 3 mins convo (then rescheduled the date, and flaked but all good).

THE UGLY GIRL
But then again the same thing happened with a not so beautiful girl.
She seemed super into me in person, replied on the first message, i even wondered whether or not I should go for her.. But when I went for it she didn't reply to my date request.

BEAUTY/CHANCES: WHEN IS THERE A PROPORTION?
So my question is: if you made a good impression and if she feels you are at her level (or higher), does it really matter how beautiful she is?
Is there really a proportion between beauty and "your chances?"

So far I thought that yes, there's a somewhat inverse proportion. But that's mostly if you made a soso or poor impression. But if you made a great impression, than higher level of beauty won't have such a strong impact.



Thoughts.... ?

 

[lux7]

Anyone... ?

Should you always take the chance of an instant date with a hot girl... ?

 

[Drck]

Why do you need to make a good impression? And how is it working out for you?

Yes, the more beautiful she is, the more guys go after her, the less she has to do to keep the guy around, the more picky she is when choosing another guy, and the easier it is for her to dump current guy....

That's why you shouldn't really be fooled by her beauty. It gives her too much value.

1. She sees a guy who hadn't showered, was very tired, was wearing flat shoes and she was taller. He doesn't ask her out because he wants to rest and shower firs to make a good impression. So she knows right away she has high value in his eyes, the guy is willing to do lots of stuff to be around her, the guy is willing to change his behavior because of her, he is trying to impress her... Will she go for a date? IMO only if she is bored, and since she has lots of guys around - probably not...

2. She sees a guy who hadn't showered, was very tired, was wearing flat shoes and she was taller. He asks her out right away, he could care less about taking a shower first. She knows right away she doesn't have much value in his eyes, he will not change his behavior because of her, he could care less whether she is impressed by him or not.... Will she go out with him? It depends how many other guys are around, but at least he's got quite a confidence and she's not on the pedestal...

I'm not saying not to take showers, but you got the point...

 

[lux7]

I'm not saying not to take showers, but you got the point...

Ahaha yeah man, I know what you mean .

I was seriously stumped though as it can happen quite often that there's a chance for an instant date and one might go for a number for various reasons (it happened to me a number of times).

Should one think "the more beautiful she is, the more I should go for that instant date? "

Would you think like that?

 

[Smith]

Should one think "the more beautiful she is, the more I should go for that instant date? "

Would you think like that?

don't think like that. That's putting her on pedestal. Think like this, "If possible, always go for the instant date." If you have great chemistry , and you can pull her home. Great! If you don't have chemistry, That's great too! at least you didn't waste your time texting her and trying to get her out.

 

[lux7]

Good one, that's true.

Do you guys think that's also true once you reach top level or top level guys "are ok" with taking the number?

 

[ray_zorse]

I don't think it has anything to do with the level of your game. Instant dates are more powerful and should always be your first resort. No matter how good your game, there's a strong likelihood that emotions will subside and she will flake. The more time you can spend with her in the initial interaction (within reason), building investment, connection and attraction, the more chance she'll be excited about you.

Having said that, I recommend to check overall logistics (what is she doing/where is she going that day, where has she come from, what and when is her next appointment) and take this into account when moving forward, you sound a little lame taking her no. after she's refused an insta date (sounds desperate, and that you'll settle for second best), although it can be okay if you backoff, build connection and then try for the number on a high point. I don't usually bother.

Ray

 

[Chase]

Lux-

Lots of great notes on process from everyone that wrap up proper next steps in a situation like this (and actually, until I dumped soap, I preferred not to shower on a day I'd meet a girl or girls... once soap was out of the picture though, my results on shower and non-shower days seem to have gotten to rough equivalency. And being tired is a big attraction booster and you can't fake it - it's often easier to meet girls when you're tired for some reason. Maybe just because it's cute/disarming, and if you're a manly man it's plus attainability, sort of like drumming your fingers to a beat).

One note on fundamentals and attainability: you'll find that as you grow increasingly attractive, hotter and hotter girls become increasingly softer and more forgiving of mediocre game on your part / more willing to stick it out and cut slack, while plainer girls become increasingly short with you. You might simply be at the place now where you need to pull out your A-game to land an average-looking chick, while your B-game is enough for a good-looking one.

Another fun note is sex drive differences: while generally, the more beautiful a girl is, the more conservatively she behaves and the "harder" she is to get, sex drive is the great equalizer, and it serves as counterbalance to great beauty; the higher her drive is, the more easily she'll hop into bed, regardless of your attractiveness or skill set. Sometimes you will meet a Plain Jane with a low drive and a gorgeous girl with a high drive, and the gorgeous high drive girl will just be leagues easier to bed than the Plain Jane with a low drive because of it.

Chase