Beginner's process for clubs and night streetgame?

[Starboy]

So i'm in a party city right now in Florida where nightlife is poppin and there's an abundance of hot girls out,but I really don't have a suitable go to method or process to hooking girls and getting much investment from them. Especially in clubs where it's loud and conversation isn't really super reliable. Even if I did i'm already logical with conversation usually and not good at creating emotional spikes with women.

I try to follow @Skills
guide on his website with club game basics(won't let me link it),but still feel like i'm blind. I haven't spent much time in clubs before so it's normal for me to feel lost i'm not gonna know how to be great in one weekend. The few times I tried approaching girls to dance or talk i'd get ignored it felt awkward and the girl would just turn away or move which was a bit of a ego sting and creates this impression in my mind that all girls are gonna do that and my dancing isn't good enough.

Also don't know how to engage girls on the street. @Chase said in this article on nightstreet game that the best way to open girls is directly,but my gut tells me it's too flimsy and not reliable enough. I've seen that girls are constantly being told they have a nice dress and they look good and they're like thanks we know and walk away. Or they get cat called by some wack ass hood niggas and that drives their defenses even higher. I've seen my wings try to stop and compliment girls walking,but it's kind of cringe to see just from how ineffective it is and how they get brushed off constantly. Me sometimes I tried to be a bit more dramatic and unexpected like "omg are you calling an uber for me you're so nice!" Not to mention even if I did hook some girls in the street I wouldn't have the faintest clue how to seed a pull to my place especially if they say they wanna go home or are too tired.

Anyways I don't wanna ask 100 questions in one thread so I was wondering if anybody could maybe give me something to start with that can help me do better.

 

[foggy]

@Lofty is an expert at night streetgame, i think he can give you a really good idea of what to do

 

[Kvothe]

In the man's own words:

Searching for Cirrus

Me: Lofty (to make sure she had my number) Me: did you get your friend home safe and sound? HBSoigné: yes sorry i literally just woke up LOL Me: all good. i was thinking of going to [ice cream shop near my place] later. you should come :) good sign here as she apologizes for her slow reply...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Skills]

So i'm in a party city right now in Florida where nightlife is poppin and there's an abundance of hot girls out,but I really don't have a suitable go to method or process to hooking girls and getting much investment from them. Especially in clubs where it's loud and conversation isn't really super reliable. Even if I did i'm already logical with conversation usually and not good at creating emotional spikes with women.

I try to follow @Skills
guide on his website with club game basics(won't let me link it),but still feel like i'm blind. I haven't spent much time in clubs before so it's normal for me to feel lost i'm not gonna know how to be great in one weekend. The few times I tried approaching girls to dance or talk i'd get ignored it felt awkward and the girl would just turn away or move which was a bit of a ego sting and creates this impression in my mind that all girls are gonna do that and my dancing isn't good enough.

Also don't know how to engage girls on the street. @Chase said in this article on nightstreet game that the best way to open girls is directly,but my gut tells me it's too flimsy and not reliable enough. I've seen that girls are constantly being told they have a nice dress and they look good and they're like thanks we know and walk away. Or they get cat called by some wack ass hood niggas and that drives their defenses even higher. I've seen my wings try to stop and compliment girls walking,but it's kind of cringe to see just from how ineffective it is and how they get brushed off constantly. Me sometimes I tried to be a bit more dramatic and unexpected like "omg are you calling an uber for me you're so nice!" Not to mention even if I did hook some girls in the street I wouldn't have the faintest clue how to seed a pull to my place especially if they say they wanna go home or are too tired.

Anyways I don't wanna ask 100 questions in one thread so I was wondering if anybody could maybe give me something to start with that can help me do better.

The feeling lost is normal, just take baby steps, keep going out till you get a feel for it...Night clubs and night life is a bit overwhelming and it is a bit harder than the other game styles... Just make sure you keep going out consistently.... Read a bit of the field and lay reports, tales from the clubs etc... so you can get feel and samples....Look at the different guys how they do it, and field test here and there with baby steps different things... The way you are feeling is perfectly normal...

 

[Lofty]

I know you won't want to hear this based on previous posts you've made, but the foremost area of focus during street nightgame is SOCIAL FRAME.

If you're not able to generate positive social frame quickly, then you not only will struggle to hook, but you'll also risk becoming "the creepy guy hitting on women on the sidewalk." BAD social frame - that is not good.

Your personal observations of what DOESN'T work are great examples of suboptimal game and poor social frame. Think about how you can contrast yourself against those guys you've seen both through actions and through verbals. Also watch your language because you didn't necessarily flatter yourself through those descriptions and used some particualrly knee-jerking language (...that's bad social frame).

Succcessful street nigtgame begins with sprezzatura. This can be created through things like your positioning, inducing AIs, the timing of when you speak, and even through some low-pressure pre-openers. From here, the doors can be opened to run some great game.

Now there are many different scenarios in street nightgame - you could be walking towards each other from opposite directions, walking in the same direction, you could be stationary "waiting for a ride," she could be stationary and actually waiting for a ride, she could be walking to a club, she could be meeting up with friends, she could be walking home, she could be alone, she could be with two friends, seven friends, a mixed set, etc.

This is why dedicating yourself to the core concepts of social frame (and seduction as a whole) are important. It's so that you can calibrate and work yourself into each specific context without making things harder than necessary from the start. Not some magic opener, but rather developing a feel for what's going on and where to take it.

Basic fundamentals are another part of social frame. Keep on building them and ensure that you're not going to automatically creep her out through low-effort fixes like strange clothing, anxious tonality, nervous posturing, etc. Building fundamentals is a continuous process, but these are all things that you can control with just a bit of work. If someone is dressed raggedy and anxious-looking like a homeless serial killer, do you see how that could be an issue when opening a lone 20 year old? It's most certainly not about being a model - not in the slightest - it's about not giving her anything to negatively knee-jerk to from the beginning... which honestly isn't that high of a bar to reach at all.

I would also encourage you to begin with thinking about timing and location.

When do people start heading home from a night out? Well that would be a good time to be on the street right? This may be around an hour or so before everywhere starts closing, but it depends on location.

The next thing is where can you set up these approaches so that they can become as sprezzaturatic as possible and optimize your approach?

Running after a lone girl on a dark street at 3 AM and opening neo-directly from behind = BAD

"Waiting for a ride" at a bench/posting-up in a safe location pretty close to your place as people begin to head home and inducing AIs/hooking as girls pass = GOOD

The first will set off alarms for the girl, while the second is a much more social-frame friendly scenario. You CAN control how you approach, so why not optimize our approach?

These are some things to think about when getting started. Be kind to yourself, and keep helping yourself to begin with.

Street nightgame is NOT about running after girls on the street, handing your social frame away, and trying to escalate immediately. Not. At. All.

It's about being super fucking calibrated and seeing where she's at while you build up her compliance and the 3 keys.

So yeah, check out the post @Kvothe linked if you're interested in some more details regarding my thoughts on the subject. I've also written about it throughout my journal and a little in this thread too.

And a few example street nightgame LRs (though I am NOT perfect and still working on improving everyday):

LR - Occhi Blu

Pre-Approach and Preparation Allow me to paint the pic. We return to the early morning late night hours of last Friday, the 26th or the 27th, around 1:30 am, at my favorite bench. What happens during these hours. For seducers, what happens during these hours? The magic of these possibilities...

www.skilledseducer.com

LR - Blue Sparkles Everywhere

Before the Approach Deep into the dusk demesnes of night is a flickering ember of belief, of hope, of conviction, of progress, of self-fulfillment, of deconditioning, of removal, of gain. The rotten scoundrels of the past do not matter as determined steps are taken in these shadows, nor do the...

www.skilledseducer.com

LR - Gimme Dat

I will not be writing an overly detailed lay report as these girls were involved in a rather curious situation before I met them, and I wouldn’t want to excessively alter the specifics nor would I want to say too much. So this will be abbreviated. Pulled two BAD BITCH brunettes and their NARC...

www.skilledseducer.com

Overall, have patience, keep gaining experience, be process and mastery-oriented, approach, learn, discover what works for you, and fall in love with understanding seduction in high-resolution.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

@Starboy you’ve had good responses already I also recently made a night game guide that you can find in my signature.

It’s more aimed for London,UK but the steps are definitely transferrable