Benevolent Seduction or The Ethics of Seduction

[salamis]

Hey guys,

This is a general question about how to get over all the negativity socially connected to seduction, and especially cold approaching, and to truly believe that you are doing something good for the girl, and maybe even for the world.

I think the negativity/stigma around this is deeply ingrained and comes from all kinds of places (women complain about "creeps" and getting pestered on the street, people say it's sexist/chauvinistic, the enduring mainstream belief that promiscuity is bad, a few memories of feeling like I used or hurt a woman despite my best efforts, etc.). I know that logically I can tell myself "it's fine, seduction and sex are fun for both of us- what's the problem?", but it's hard to overcome all of that negative conditioning.

Any thoughts on how you guys are able to win over your minds into truly believing that cold approaching and seduction are ethical, perhaps even benevolent?

 

[Smith]

women love sex.

 

[Drck]

There is definitely a stigma associated with seduction. Personally I would not want any girl I care about to know that I am familiar with it...

We are humans, we have natural feelings towards other people. We like some people and dislike others. We fall in love with some even though there is no reason, and don't really care much about another ones no matter what...

When you meet somebody and you like that person, it is usually because you like some personal characteristics and behavior of that person, and you naturally develop connection with her (or him)...

Imagine you meet a girl that you like, vibes are great, she appears to really like you, she is looking deeply in your eyes and is really interested in you, she makes you feel really good, she appears to have exciting life... you realize that you are falling in love with her because she is just a great person and the vibes are amazing...

And then you discover that she behaves in the same way with every guy she chooses to... That she doesn't really give a damn about you, that she is just moving from one guy to another, that she doesn't really like you that much and you are just one of her weekly "numbers" on her list, that you are rated 5/10 on some scale of attractiveness, that she only faked the vibes, that she just practiced hot and cold (or other 'techniques') on you, that she is perhaps only practicing on you her seduction skills so she can eventually get that 9/10 guy that she really likes, that she doesn't really have any other life except practicing her skills on different guys...

You would feel used, tricked, worthless, perhaps even sick... You would know that there is just something weird with her... Imagine a girl that truly falls in love with guy like that, and then realizes that she was just tricked into sex, that he is only practicing his skills on her, that he is actually quite different than his appearance and what he pretends to be, that all he wants was only quick sex from her while he was just pretending that he is really connected with her on deep level, yet doesn't really consider her that attractive at all...

There is lots of insincerity associated with seduction, it always comes down to what kind of person you really are... People are not stupid, they will eventually see through you...

That's why it is so important to work on your life vs spending all the time on seduction... Go after what you like and become good at it - whether it is academics, business, fitness, art collection or whatever... That's who you are, that's what you like, that's what you do, that's your TRUE personality that you are not faking, that's your LIFE... Don't do it so you can get laid, do it because you have a passion for your life...

There are guys here who spent 90+ percent on seduction and 10 percent on their life... You are not fooling anyone, you are only fooling yourself, the girls will find out and they won't stick around, not the good ones that you care about... The reason is simple, they know you have no life, they smell the insincerity... Get a life, develop some passion for what you like, and any quality girl will love you for that because she can join your life...

So is seduction wrong? Definitely not. There are many great things every guy can and should learn, and there is nothing wrong to learn the dynamic of interaction between makes and females. It's all good, beneficial. Just don't spent your entire time on it, get a real life, develop real personality, learn to be truly sincere and genuine with people and especially girls you really care about... If you can do that, you will find out that you actually don't really need much of seduction skills, you will find out that girls trully like you for just being who you are, for living your life...

 

[Fuck This]

Drck, Once again you have expressed my thoughts very eloquently.

I think the act of being sincere is what most hacks miss out on.

Well written.

 

[Eternity]

You should write a blog Drck, or at least write for G.C. Got talent for breaking complex concepts down and explaining the why and how of things...

 

[lao che]

Imagine a girl that truly falls in love with guy like that, and then realizes that she was just tricked into sex, that he is only practicing his skills on her, that he is actually quite different than his appearance and what he pretends to be, that all he wants was only quick sex from her while he was just pretending that he is really connected with her on deep level, yet doesn't really consider her that attractive at all...

There is lots of insincerity associated with seduction, it always comes down to what kind of person you really are... People are not stupid, they will eventually see through you..

i've never faked it. - even with the 5s

it's possible to pick up a girl without putting on an appearance different than you're actual self. it's possible to fuck a girl without having to fake a love bubble. and it's possible to be genuinely into the girl you're with and still not promise anything other than a regular fuck.
and if you're an attractive guy and you're dumpster-diving with 5/10s, believe me, that girl knows exactly what's going on.
people can see right through you. doens't matter if you have nothing to hide

(ironically i say i've never faked it - which is true, since i discovered "game" (and might be true since earlier)


i agree though that discussion of GC and seduction etc should be avoided with most people. you can feel-out with a guy whether he's up to anything, see what kind of language he uses and how he interacts with people. maybe make a wing man if he's cool but with girls, you don't wanna discuss it at all, as per the recent article by chase.
i'm pretty sure most girls have figured it out by now though. pickup is way more mainstream than before. and why would they care? if a girl mentions it to you it's nothing but a shit-test.
one of my girls saw GC on my Chrome New Tab page - it goes away when you click the cross in the corner, which i had done, don't know why it worked its way back up there.
"what's girlschase?" she says. i just said "well, now you've got homework to do" and left it at that.
No doubt she's had a look. TBH she's so into me and she knows i fuck other girls, she probably thinks i'm a writer for the site.

as for the OP, go get a few regular FBs from daygame, and then ask yourself did you do something so bad, something so wrong, to these poor girls when you stopped them in the street to pay them a pleasant compliment and proceeded to develop a wonderful friendship

no woman wakes up saying, "God, I hope I don't get swept off my feet today!"



EDIT: i can add, i've never manipulated anyone into fucking me. it's always been a mutually agreed upon, enjoyable experience.
have i "gamed" girls? of course, that's the point. why do you think it's called game? it's a game for two people to enjoy. a journey for two (or sometimes more) people to embark upon together. you can't play alone.
and if you don't enjoy the process then it would be better to find yourself an LTR and settle for good.

 

[salamis]

Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah, I definitely dont try to deceive women, nor do I have any issue of putting too much emphasis on PU instead of elsewhere- if anything, I think I ought to put a lot more time and effort into sharing good times and personal connections in this way. Just trying to reconcile my convictions to both be an ethical person and pick up lots of girls in a time when that is considered douchey.