Hi everyone ,
Today I want some clarification about 2 important subjects in our art that is confusing me a lot.
When we study any form of influence and persuasion technique such as seduction, negotiation or sales, we come in general into to big concepts that all techniques are based on which are , frame control and deep-rapport( or deep diving , or opening up etc…).
And here In GC more than any other place , these two concepts are hardly enphased and we have tons of articles about their different applications.
But there is one thing that I still don't get or at least don't get in in application is how , we can use these two concepts where when we get instruction over them seems totally in opposition to each others. I explaine :
Deep diving or rapport: we need to see the things like the persons in front of us, don't contradict her. Make the ambiance positive , not challenge, accepting the other point of view.
Frame control: making the other person see the things in our own perspective, having iron belifes on what we want to communicate. Challenging the others etc.
In one way , in understand thet we need both, but when you read individual books or articles about each subject. Its looks like anyone of them is “THE ONE KEY” to getting your way socially and in interpersonal relations. And the doing of the element of the other concept is a redflag , like accepting the other point of view in frame control and saying no in deep diving.
Little examples
How to convice someone who is challenging you when you while you accept his “truths”it feels more like submitting so here he will not accept you. But chellenging him will make him angry about you and stick with his opinon. Like if we loose argument we are weak if we win it we are bad!!!
Or accepting negotiation terms that are bad, while if we impose ours it will make the other party defensive?
Make a good rapport with a girl, but if we do too much go to friend zone, if we challenge her, auto rejection
So anyone could give me some clarity to this to get my human rapports
Today I want some clarification about 2 important subjects in our art that is confusing me a lot.
When we study any form of influence and persuasion technique such as seduction, negotiation or sales, we come in general into to big concepts that all techniques are based on which are , frame control and deep-rapport( or deep diving , or opening up etc…).
And here In GC more than any other place , these two concepts are hardly enphased and we have tons of articles about their different applications.
But there is one thing that I still don't get or at least don't get in in application is how , we can use these two concepts where when we get instruction over them seems totally in opposition to each others. I explaine :
Deep diving or rapport: we need to see the things like the persons in front of us, don't contradict her. Make the ambiance positive , not challenge, accepting the other point of view.
Frame control: making the other person see the things in our own perspective, having iron belifes on what we want to communicate. Challenging the others etc.
In one way , in understand thet we need both, but when you read individual books or articles about each subject. Its looks like anyone of them is “THE ONE KEY” to getting your way socially and in interpersonal relations. And the doing of the element of the other concept is a redflag , like accepting the other point of view in frame control and saying no in deep diving.
Little examples
How to convice someone who is challenging you when you while you accept his “truths”it feels more like submitting so here he will not accept you. But chellenging him will make him angry about you and stick with his opinon. Like if we loose argument we are weak if we win it we are bad!!!
Or accepting negotiation terms that are bad, while if we impose ours it will make the other party defensive?
Make a good rapport with a girl, but if we do too much go to friend zone, if we challenge her, auto rejection
So anyone could give me some clarity to this to get my human rapports
