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diegoC

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I've read lots of post here about this stuff but I'm really struggling to approach. Don't know why but it's really hard. I don't know if I want to perform so good that it kinda refrains in doing so (cuz I will have to faill to get better, for sure) or just the fact of going to a girl to tell her "Hello, how are you doing" and just start talking. I really don't know but I'm having lots of trouble. Maybe you guys can help me to beat this. It sucks.

NOTE: I'm not an unsocial guy. I can ask ramdom guys/girls for things, directions, etc. So I'm a very social guy. Just in case someone could advice me to start becoming a very social person.
 

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diegoC,

i get what you mean. However, I am afraid that you might have too many good reactions everytime you talk to everyone that the automatic assumption of thinking that getting women is a "can get" result for you. IT's natural sometimes. or maybe you likely someone whom very easy to grasp the theory part of any field studies and can remember much anything, but you haven't apply it in practical yet, and you afraid you might fail because you know much, and you do. Do you used to approach women? maybe you have success with women in general before,?


Zac
 

diegoC

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Hey ZacAdam, sorry I took so long to answer. I was in a trip with no internet :)

There is something true of what you say about myself. I am very theorist. I usually like to know A LOT before jumping in. It's not that I forget everything, not at all. I'm pretty much aware of the things I have to try to do (although it doesn't mean I will perform perfect, surely, I won't). I think that is a problem. I think maybe I want to be really good and perform great because I have the tools, but deep down I know the uncertainty and that theory is not field (practice), so I guess my problem lays there.

I will talk you about myself, bear with me:

I haven't had much success with women but not because I couldn't. I'm a good looking guy. But I have had many many many years (like 7-8) in which I just closed myself to the world. I just studied and surfed. Just that (I must add: I had sex, but it found me, not the other way around. Also, not the girls I really like but they were not ugly or I wouldn't have done anything).

I experience loneliness (which I really appreciate a lot because I'm not longer a dependent guy like before) and one day I thought I had to change, just like that. Before this I was already reading stuff about women, but mostly psychology (not really pickup blogs, books), and some years later a book a friend recommend me about PUA: The Game by Neil Strauss. I liked the book but not the idea of "performing" so I didn't thought it was for me such an unnatural way. It was the first time I discovered the PUA world although I didn't dig up much about it because of the pick-up-lines-acting-unnatural-focus way of it's method. I read a lot about women because, although I was not going out, I was sure that I could be with really good looking girls (my theorist side) and I could help me when the time came.

Well, to change I started with being social. I knew being social was important for relating with women. I started talking to people (man, women) for directions, whatever I needed... this was easy to accomplish because when I was a child I was really social. After this I started training engaging girls (which I was never really good). So I did this with girls who have to be nice with you, that is cashiers, models (the ones standing up promoting something), etc. After this I thought that I should start talking to girls in the streets. I was really afraid and the whole idea was to do it, to beat this fear. After approaching girls walking on the street saying whatever I thought that the best method should be direct. Because you really have no excuse. And the funny thing about this is that the first girl I use this method on end up having sex with me. We got together 3 days later and it happened (I will add that she was a hot girl that happened to be in the Miss Peru contest for that year).

It is really funny because I decided to stop doing it after I score with this girl. I thought: "Okay, i can do it". The reason I stopped it is because I like girls that are really top notch, and I thought that approaching girls in the street was kinda creepy/weird, so, if I started doing this with girls I REALLY liked they would most probably be from my social circle (Lima is not that big, really, and usually hot girls are from mid-high to high class... my social class). So my train of thought was that if I did it a lot, some day I would be in some place where a girl I approached will be there, and maybe she will remember me: there is the creepy guy who approached me in the middle of the street to hit on me. At that time, that was something I didn't want. Like, I'm killing opportunities with girls that way. I guess I was not thinking in numbers (the post of Chase about thinking about numbers, "lots of girls out there"). Knowing this, even now, I'm not even sure about approaching girls on the streets. Maybe it is stupid because it's most likely people forget faces easily (I don't, so that's why I kinda think people will remember me) or at least it is a compliment for her (if you don't get anything she will definitely feel good for you being nice to her)

Up until this, I did'nt went to discos/bars because I had the idea I had made about those places years before: I can't hit on girls there. I end up blowing when I approach girls. I was younger when I did this and almost always didn't end good. I approached the good looking girls and did't worked out. Now I'm pretty sure is the way I did it back then: Unconfident, scared, nervous. And for sure girls sensed that and it was bad. Then reacting to her emotions (she is not being receptive, being cold, and I get worst). Well, that's something I didn't know when I was really young so I hated those places. But after all my training I thought I had to go to those places and the first night I have it tattooed in my head. It was amazing. I remember thinking to myself before going: "Okay, you know you can do it. You are a good looking guy. Walk straight, don't look at all (yes, I had already discovered this things about fundamentals by my own. Even elite eye contact, etc.). You are the man and you can be with any girl". To make it short, I didn't end up with no one but it was the feeling I got from it. That thing about girls chasing you so you talk to them, i had it that first night. I was flirting with 3 different girls, etc. I was really excited that I had to call my brother and a friend when I went out. After this I started going out like crazy each weekend: I had to.

But that's it. I couldn't get more. Is like I had some kind of interesting thing about me to girls but I didn't approach. All my demons where back. The only difference is I know I got noticed and I know I can get girls. Then I started looking for PUA. And I found Chase. This is a method I like: Natural. It is yourself, not an acting facade. But now I'm having problems. I can't talk to girls on the streets. They are walking, not even looking at you, minding their own business, now I find it harder. I don't know, I think when I did it the first time it was something I had to do to loose the fear, but now that I've experienced that I could perform in a discos/bar I don't want to do it again in the street (because of the reasons I told before). But, of course, I'm not doing anything when I'm in discos/bars yet.

I guess not approaching women for such a long time has had me rusted. Because I didn't do it a lot when I approached on the street so It was always really hard. Maybe I talked to 15 girls on the street tops! And after sleeping with the one (the only one I did a direct opener) I stopped. So, it never become a part of me. So now, I'm having problems because of that.

Right now I'm in Chile for at least 6 months, so, I'm trying to improve here. Taking the opportunity of not being at my country to practice a lot and become better. But up until now I'm not seizing it.

Thanks for the patience to anyone who read this.

PS: It's really funny and amazing for me that a LOT of things that I found in Chase method were stuff I had found for myself (some fundamentals like posture, elite eye contact, mannerism, direct openers, etc.). That is why I really liked this method. Because it had things I know worked so I really believe in the guy. And I have learned many other things here I did bad, and that I know are true. Not because he says so, but because I have read so much on women psychology that I can really associated with that.
 

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diegoC,

diegoC said:
I haven't had much success with women but not because I couldn't. I'm a good looking guy. But I have had many many many years (like 7-8) in which I just closed myself to the world. I just studied and surfed. Just that (I must add: I had sex, but it found me, not the other way around. Also, not the girls I really like but they were not ugly or I wouldn't have done anything).

I experience loneliness (which I really appreciate a lot because I'm not longer a dependent guy like before) and one day I thought I had to change, just like that. Before this I was already reading stuff about women, but mostly psychology (not really pickup blogs, books), and some years later a book a friend recommend me about PUA: The Game by Neil Strauss. I liked the book but not the idea of "performing" so I didn't thought it was for me such an unnatural way. It was the first time I discovered the PUA world although I didn't dig up much about it because of the pick-up-lines-acting-unnatural-focus way of it's method. I read a lot about women because, although I was not going out, I was sure that I could be with really good looking girls (my theorist side) and I could help me when the time came.

Loneliness is a good thing when you come out of it. Often the best of the best people who live better today often have walk the other side of the road to know who they are. I am glad and you sure you are too, that you can feel content by yourself.

diegoC said:
Well, to change I started with being social. I knew being social was important for relating with women. I started talking to people (man, women) for directions, whatever I needed... this was easy to accomplish because when I was a child I was really social. After this I started training engaging girls (which I was never really good). So I did this with girls who have to be nice with you, that is cashiers, models (the ones standing up promoting something), etc. After this I thought that I should start talking to girls in the streets. I was really afraid and the whole idea was to do it, to beat this fear. After approaching girls walking on the street saying whatever I thought that the best method should be direct. Because you really have no excuse. And the funny thing about this is that the first girl I use this method on end up having sex with me. We got together 3 days later and it happened (I will add that she was a hot girl that happened to be in the Miss Peru contest for that year).

It seems to me, that you're a more like a natural pickup artist.

diegoC said:
Up until this, I did'nt went to discos/bars because I had the idea I had made about those places years before: I can't hit on girls there. I end up blowing when I approach girls. I was younger when I did this and almost always didn't end good. I approached the good looking girls and did't worked out. Now I'm pretty sure is the way I did it back then: Unconfident, scared, nervous. And for sure girls sensed that and it was bad. Then reacting to her emotions (she is not being receptive, being cold, and I get worst). Well, that's something I didn't know when I was really young so I hated those places. But after all my training I thought I had to go to those places and the first night I have it tattooed in my head. It was amazing. I remember thinking to myself before going: "Okay, you know you can do it. You are a good looking guy. Walk straight, don't look at all (yes, I had already discovered this things about fundamentals by my own. Even elite eye contact, etc.). You are the man and you can be with any girl". To make it short, I didn't end up with no one but it was the feeling I got from it. That thing about girls chasing you so you talk to them, i had it that first night. I was flirting with 3 different girls, etc. I was really excited that I had to call my brother and a friend when I went out. After this I started going out like crazy each weekend: I had to.

But that's it. I couldn't get more. Is like I had some kind of interesting thing about me to girls but I didn't approach. All my demons where back. The only difference is I know I got noticed and I know I can get girls. Then I started looking for PUA. And I found Chase. This is a method I like: Natural. It is yourself, not an acting facade. But now I'm having problems. I can't talk to girls on the streets. They are walking, not even looking at you, minding their own business, now I find it harder. I don't know, I think when I did it the first time it was something I had to do to loose the fear, but now that I've experienced that I could perform in a discos/bar I don't want to do it again in the street (because of the reasons I told before). But, of course, I'm not doing anything when I'm in discos/bars yet.

Yeap, you likely intuitively know what you can do, but self anxiety, and over pressurising yourself seems to be the obstacle here. You know what you want to do but you also don't believe you can do it although you have done it so.

diegoC said:
I guess not approaching women for such a long time has had me rusted. Because I didn't do it a lot when I approached on the street so It was always really hard. Maybe I talked to 15 girls on the street tops! And after sleeping with the one (the only one I did a direct opener) I stopped. So, it never become a part of me. So now, I'm having problems because of that.

Right now I'm in Chile for at least 6 months, so, I'm trying to improve here. Taking the opportunity of not being at my country to practice a lot and become better. But up until now I'm not seizing it.

there's more of an internal problems more than the dating aspect that you facing at the moment. Even if you another country, and you do well, it's just going to keep bugging you. i would hope and suggest that you feel for a moment, what is it that is really bothering you from within. Maybe getting a girlfriend is all you want and just be getting good with girls in general.

diegoC said:
PS: It's really funny and amazing for me that a LOT of things that I found in Chase method were stuff I had found for myself (some fundamentals like posture, elite eye contact, mannerism, direct openers, etc.). That is why I really liked this method. Because it had things I know worked so I really believe in the guy. And I have learned many other things here I did bad, and that I know are true. Not because he says so, but because I have read so much on women psychology that I can really associated with that.

I do believe in Chase work's too. I mean he's like the guy who take step a to z.

All in all, i feel that your biggest objective and intention is believe in yourself in anything you put that you want to do. And you don't believe in yourself is already stopping you there. Because if you do, i feel that the other problems are just obstacles and things that you can learn and achieve.

Zac
 

diegoC

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Thanks ZacAdam, really.

I guess I gree with the things you have said. Yeah, of course I would like a girlfriend but I will give you my objectives, the ones I wrote down after Chase said to do so in his book "How to make girls Chase".


- know girls and get their numbers
- know girls and fucks them
- know, have and be with the hottest/prettiest girls
- know and marry an amazing girl


Yes, I want to do better with woman in general. And yes, I have to start pushing myself since there's no PUA coach by my side to help on that. It's up to me.

Thanks!
 

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I will probably write a post soon on approach. I have a few friends in the same boat as you, I'll just have to get some time and put my thoughts together.

In the meantime I'll give you a few tips so you can get crackin.

1. Forget about your ego. You don't need good reactions to feel good. Following the process itself is rewarding.
2. Accept the fact you are nervous and have AA(approach anxiety) breathe, relax, and force yourself to move your feet then your mouth.
3. It truly doesn't matter what you say, my usual opener is "Hi, hows your day going." credit to Alex from RSD, believe it or not IT WORKS
4. Accept the fact you will get rejected, laugh about it because it's truly funny, you got all nervous said hi and bam hand in the face "Not interested!" this shit is funny, be amused.

Lastly I would suggest to do some night game and experience "state." State is like a mythical creature that can only be described once you feel it. I only felt it at first in a busy environment where I was constantly approaching leaving minimal time between sets. Once you push yourself to back to back sets literally opening everything, you will understand that rejection doesn't matter, you laugh it off and it only fuels you closer to state. Once you get into it your body becomes fluid, your eyecontact is unstoppable and the environment becomes under your control, you are drawing your energy within not from external reactions. I could write another article on state alone, but I'm still not entirely advanced in the topic, so my best suggestion is for you to experience it yourself.
 

diegoC

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Thanks Tyme2k.

Yeah, for sure I have AA. BUT when I open I deal with the situations pretty well. In the sense of not showing nervousness, anxiety, etc (scoring is other story). But I don't do it (like I should I mean, a lot) and I must work it out. Lately I'm getting my mind prepared by thinking a lot about that next time I'm out: I will begin to approach like crazy.

Thanks for the advice.
Looking forward for your posts!

Cheers!
 
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