Johnny M said:But in order to change someones core belief in something. You would need to have some type of credibility through that persons eyes. Or else it would be as easily dismissed as it would have been believed. I've changed many of the aspects of the lives of the people around me, but I have an existing influence on them already. I couldn't imagine a stranger questioning a belief I hold, just to have me "absorbed" in to their beliefs. Unless, of couse, I doubted them already
Who are the creator of SPRWell, probably fortunately, you can't really get a very complete picture of October Man or SPR online from anything I've seen in a quick Google search. I just looked these up and found a guy talking about anchoring and labeling that "October Man Sequence," but that isn't it, and one on SPR that touches on some aspects of it without really going into it much in-depth.
The reason that OM, SPR, and other aspects of the "dark arts" aren't discussed is because they create addiction and dependency, like an amplified version of the "in love" feeling... often similar to drugs like heroin and cocaine, which activate the same part of the brain as social and romantic connections. They're used for giving a woman the most powerful "in love" feelings of her life, and make her completely emotionally dependent on you. This includes, on the downside, her getting things like withdraw feelings, extreme amounts of jealousy and possessiveness, and everything else that comes with emotions that swing wildly and are outside of her control. SPR can also lead to situations where women are spending unsustainable amounts of money on you, and the conditioning is often hard or impossible to reverse.
The problem is the damage that does. Most of the guys who really WANT these "powers" are inexperienced seducers who are living in a scarcity mindset and very much want to keep women bound to them. They act out of need, rather than calm and measured logic and control, and they create some really messy, damaging situations for the women involved (and often for themselves).
OM is for seduction, and has some utility there, but it's really not based on any kind of real connection between you and the girl and verges on hypnosis - Landmark Forum uses a version of OM in its 3-day retreat, and its why the people who go through Landmark come out such blind advocates of the Forum, convinced it's changed their lives, despite the fact that they can't tell you any actual impact it's made or changes they've had from their lives out of it. That's why I won't go into it. I may get accused of teaching stuff that's manipulative because I'm talking seduction, but OM truly IS manipulation.
And SPR is for relationships, and is useful for relationship controls at lower levels, but it spirals to extremes very quickly, and you'll typically find that the guys who WANT extreme emotions from their women are the inexperienced guys who can't handle them and cause a lot of damage, while the experienced guys who CAN don't WANT those kinds of relationships and that level of dependency and neediness. So, while it's a potent technique, it's not really one that I think ought to be taught, or needs to be.
Other ones I won't mention because they're too easy to get a basic grasp of just from the name and a little digging into the scientific literature. There are a bunch of ways to "hack" the brain, but the deeper you go, the more morally questionable it gets.
Chase
Is Sexual Power Reversal a concept or a book title?I'm not experienced with the PUA world (in fact I find it quite silly), but looking over the two (Octoberman and Sexual Power Reversal) it seems quite simple and I've done it before. They seem like the same idea, but at different extremes. Octoberman would be to get quick seductions, while sexual power reversal is for slower drawn out stuff like social circles. The latter seems to be centered around more of the positive/negative reinforcement aspects of psychology, which takes longer periods of time. The former needs to be quicker so it uses emotions and "anchors" them to whatever you feel like.
The reason this is bad is that it's actually quite easy to change people, regardless of how dogmatic they are. If you question their beliefs, provide them with sound logic, AND you anchor their reward system (and emotional response) to YOU, you provide a powerful combo which can lead to absorbing them into your world. It's only bad because the world that you live in may not be so great. I've accidentally changed virgin girls into "slutting it up", and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I've also turned religious heavy friends into players, without really meaning to. Bleh. Be careful.
Edit: I'd like to add that I think the stuff the PUA world is talking about is garbage, and conjecture. However, I think the general principle behind it (anchoring reward systems) is powerful though.
When you psychologically use tricks it's called manipulation.I'm not experienced with the PUA world (in fact I find it quite silly), but looking over the two (Octoberman and Sexual Power Reversal) it seems quite simple and I've done it before. They seem like the same idea, but at different extremes. Octoberman would be to get quick seductions, while sexual power reversal is for slower drawn out stuff like social circles. The latter seems to be centered around more of the positive/negative reinforcement aspects of psychology, which takes longer periods of time. The former needs to be quicker so it uses emotions and "anchors" them to whatever you feel like.
The reason this is bad is that it's actually quite easy to change people, regardless of how dogmatic they are. If you question their beliefs, provide them with sound logic, AND you anchor their reward system (and emotional response) to YOU, you provide a powerful combo which can lead to absorbing them into your world. It's only bad because the world that you live in may not be so great. I've accidentally changed virgin girls into "slutting it up", and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I've also turned religious heavy friends into players, without really meaning to. Bleh. Be careful.
Edit: I'd like to add that I think the stuff the PUA world is talking about is garbage, and conjecture. However, I think the general principle behind it (anchoring reward systems) is powerful though.
Teach me broI teach this type of seduction. It has their places an applications....i am waiting on chase to make non public feature on forum