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empath

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I have been an impulsive person and doing this job under a boss I find soul sucking.

though very frugal by nature.

I wanted a fast out and started trading derivatives.

i used to do it on very low amount of capital in past though I had my share of losses.

This time blew up my 6 months salary in a day.

these were my savings and I was planning to use it for downpayment of my home.

I don’t know what to do now.

Has anyone dealt with similar situation.

I don’t how to even go about seduction now.

I feel terrible and soon my parents will also know I fucked up this bad.
 

empath

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Can’t edit.

In my mind I am thinking to put more capital and try recover the losses.

but I am afraid if I end up losing more?
 

empath

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Worst thing you can invest is derivatives.... I would rather put money on real estate or your own business... Is organized gambling
I know… somehow I am unable to stop myself.

And every time I had luck on my side. Despite huges losses position used to turn around my side

I used come up with no profit no loss or small wins.

until this day.

Somehow or other I never blew up this big.

I don’t know what to do now.

All I am telling myself is rome was not built in a day.

I need to focus on my work ethics I will recover this money and it will not matter in long term.

Though I just wish this demon does not creep to trade again.

What I fear is my parents learning about this.

Cause they wanted me to save this money and use it wisely but I let this addiction/short-approach get best of me.
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

HeartOfChaos

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I am sorry to hear about your loss. Take it as a lesson in self control - never over leverage or take larger risks than you can afford in this trading game. I have a background in STEM and heavily trade on various betting exchanges (sorta like a stockmarket on sports, rather than a bookmaker, I don't think you have access to it in USA). I made a lot of money in the past but blew it all in a moment of madness due to losing self control and discipline (nothing wrong with my strategy). Just like I fuck up with women sometimes.

So now I am starting again slowly.

It's hard to resist over staking, chasing loses etc but this is what you must do. Do not try to recover losses. Stick to your original strategy (if it was profitable - but testing it is the hard part)!. Financial trading is very difficult, retail traders usually lose. Sports trading / betting is easier if you know what you are doing, and you can start with smaller amounts.
 

Chase

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@empath,

Day trading, derivatives trading, etc., is gambling.

In gambling, the house always wins (over the long-term). In this case, the house is Wall St.

Wall Street banks make lots of money. Do you know where they make that money from? They do not make it from thin air.

Where Wall Street makes its money from is the Average Joe day traders, derivative traders, etc.

Over the long-term, Wall Street, with its quants, "illegal" insider knowledge (that just usually does not get found out), ability to use massive leverage to move markets and time flash crashes and bubbles, super fast exchange connections, etc., out-moves and out-foxes the Average Joes thinking they have an edge because they read XYZ secret newsletter or watched ABC YouTube video or came up with DEF trading strategy.

You can think of trading as basically a very nice way for you to help keep Wall Street banks in the black. It is a very kindly way, because you know many Wall Street traders need to eat too, and unless Average Joes lose money buying high and selling low how could Wall Street make any money?

Every time you think about trading, you should think to yourself, "Today I want to be really nice and donate some of my money to Wall Street."

If you actually want to make money, read some books on investing.

Preferably by men who are self-made billionaires. Warren Buffet, Ray Dalio, etc.

Warren Buffet's thing, for instance, is he never invests in any company he does not know inside and out. He needs to be 100% certain it is undervalued and is likely to go up in value for a long time, regardless what happens over the short run in markets. He does not look at the stock ticker because it would just distract and flummox him. He is a researcher.

Also, I will say:

  • Everyone I know who follows the "buy and hold assets you know well" strategy has made lots of money

  • Everyone I know who follows the "trade quickly, aiming to try the market and win big fast" strategy has lost tons of money (usually they start out like you do, playing it a bit safer and more or less breaking even, but then they eventually go big, bet the farm, and lose it)

You can think of short-term trading as a way to just give your money away.

You need to operate from a longer time horizon.

Here is a tale of three friends I know (true story):

  1. Friend A invested $N into an investment, after researching that investment heavily, then left it there and did not touch it for many years. He became quite wealthy.

  2. Friend B invested $X into the same investment later on. However, he did not research it heavily; instead he was going off of media reports and hype. When that investment dipped, he lost his nerve and sold it all at a significant loss.

  3. Friend C invested $Q into the same investment later still, also after researching it heavily, like Friend A. He also left his money there and did not touch it for many years, like Friend A. He also got reasonably wealthy, though not as wealthy as Friend A, despite investing more money than Friend A, because he got in later.

Friend A and Friend C do not have to work anymore. Friend B is working a job he dislikes, despite investing into the same investment after Friend A yet before Friend C. The reason Friends A and C don't have to work but Friend B does is because Friend B was doing a bunch of trading, trying to time the market, following hype, and lost his money to Wall Street; meanwhile Friends A and C bought only after heavy research, then held and did not sell.

(The funny thing is, Friends A and C actually did much less work than Friend B; Friend B was constantly following tickers, trying to time markets, buy, sell, conduct technical analysis, change positions from one investment to another then back again, etc. Friends A and C just carefully studied an investment they liked, then once they became convinced it was a good long-term investment put their money into it, forgot all about it, and let Father Time do his thing.)

Chase
 

ChrisXKiss

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In my mind I am thinking to put more capital and try recover the losses.

but I am afraid if I end up losing more?
I have not traded with real money, but I have done trainings in trading under real market conditions, and one of the main things they teach you is using stop-loss orders. Basically defining the point that you give up, accept the loss and sell.

That's because the natural inclination is generally to not want to accept the loss and try to hang in there hoping for a turnaround.

And unless you really know for a reason that long term your investment will be profitable and this is a short term fluctuation, you simply end up losing more and more.

The issue here is deeper than following some good strategy though, since you are saying that:

I know… somehow I am unable to stop myself.
Though I just wish this demon does not creep to trade again.

This is not something you fix by trading better, you fix it by not trading at all.

What you are describing are really signs of addiction, and the same way you don't let a porn addict go and watch a short video or an alcoholic have a small drink because "come on it's just once and it will be fine", you don't say to someone in your situation to go and try to trade small and very carefully.

If I were you, I would accept that trading is bad for me and I would focus on staying away, treating it as any other harmful addiction.
 

mirror

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This time blew up my 6 months salary in a day.

shit bro, derivatives are risky as hell. even though it doesnt feel this way, you will find a way to recover in time. For now, try to get your head straight and focus on what you know can build up the money you need shortterm and how to recover longterm.

Next time, hedge btw.
 

POB

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You only make money through working and businness.
Investment is to save that "extra" for later in life when you really gonna need it.
The goal of investing is just to so you dont get your savings eroded by inflation.
Everything else is gambling (which is not wrong, especially if you have some spare extra to go "score big or burn").
 

empath

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I don’t know even why I do it, but making money through job feels very slow.

Then spending it on something luxurious feels even bad.

But if money is earned easily like trading, then I don’t mind splurging.

but this time I am scarred I don’t think I can even touch normal a stock or normal investing
 
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