LR- Blowjob in a shopping centre's changing room. No fucking. Why?

[Jan]

I started doing day game in shopping centres, based on 60 years of challenge system. This is a FR from day one of my experiment with this system.

I approached this single blonde girl walking in a shopping centre. I stopped her, said hi, told her that I saw her walking, I liked her and wanted to tell her that I liked her. Then, I introduced myself by offering her my hand. She took my hand and introduced her. I HELD her hand, waiting for her to take her hand away (first gauge of attraction by 60's system). I kept her hand while she started qualifying herself by telling me how great it was that I approached her, because in our country is so rare. She kept holding my hand for first few minutes. SEEMED REALLY LONG. This gave me a strong conviction that attraction is there.

Therefore, I escalated. I took a small step towards her I asked to have a juice with me. She agreed without hesitation. This compliance triggered my automatic reaction -I rewarded her with even more touch - with my second hand I gently touched her arm.

I grabbed her hand and we walked to the cafe like a couple. I knew that attraction was there, so I decided to escalate the vibe, by being as quiet as possible, and letting her talk, and talk and talk. I need to admit that being so silent was a new experience for me (usually I talk), and I wasn't very comfortable, I wasn't very convinced that it's gonna work. My lack of conviction was heard in my voice. Paradoxically, I was somehow glad that I didn't have to talk much with this weak voice.

In the cafe, she kept talking, introducing more and more intimate topics (relationships, sexual relationships). I focused on caressing her hand, listening, contributing from time to time, but as little as possible, and touching her thighs from time to time. We spent probably 30-45" in the cafe. At some point she said that she really liked how I touched her.

At some point I told her that I would like to try a t-shirt in a sports shop, and that I would like her to offer her female advice. She said sure, a then she started to think, and said, "sure I can help you with that, even though I don't know what if there is any hidden agenda". Initially I didn't say anything, but then later I whispered into her ear, "Yeah, there is a hidden agenda." Now, I'm thinking that maybe I have triggered her ASD by admitting this.

At this point, I stumbled across first real resistance. She said that, sure we can go the this changing room, and we can have some fun there, but I don't know if we can have ALL THE FUN. She started saying something that, she is more comfortable doing this at home, in bed, etc. She also mentioned something about "point of resistance." I thought that she was asking me, "what if I don't feel comfortable doing something.". I told her that she is totally free to leave at any point, and whenever she feels uncomfortable I will respect this. I thought this question is about sexual comfort.

I also thought maybe I asked her to do something she is not sufficiently aroused to do just yet. I wasn't sure if I had problem with ASD, sexual comfort or not enough arousal.

Either way, I asked her to walk to the changing room (I checked this changing room logistically before, so I knew its a good spot).

In the changing room, we hugged, kissed, I took her panties off, I fingered her, and she gave me a blowjob. However, when I took my condom from the wallet, she said: "This is the moment I want to say stop." I was still little surpised because SHE WAS REAL WET. However, it seems that something in her mind wasn't ready. I thought I didn't reach what Sixty described as AROUSAL POINT OF NO RETURN. Or it was ASD.

And I said ok no problem. I started fingering her, and then took her by her hair, she continued to give me head and finished in her mouth.

QUESTION:

Why didn't she want to fuck? BTW, it happened to me several times recently. I had two chicks at my place some time ago (separately), and both of them let me finger them and gave a me a handjob but didn't want to fuck.

I have three possible explanations:
- I triggered her ASD by admiting "hidden agenda".
- I wasn't patient enough AROUSING her when we were in a cafe. I wanted to seal the deal but she wasn't sufficiently aroused to have sex (even though physically it seemed like she was).
- I wasn't persistent enough. After she said STOP, I didn't even try once again. I thought, hmm, maybe if I at least try once or twice, I would have aroused her mentally further by my persistance, and that should seal the deal.

After writing this report I feel like the ASD trigger is the most likely mistake I did, but I'm still curious to hear opinions of other seducers.

Cheers

 

[mist]

I only partially read your report but as someone who frequents the same game spots… you motivated me after a lackluster day to turn around and go give it another go.

Haven’t really analyzed your FU and don’t think I will add anything but thanks man for writing this.

Writing FU’s is fucking awesome.

(Technically this is a LR-, in a store…daygame… SDL- quick pull. Insane. Props man.)

peace

 

[Beck Bass]

I think it's just state control, I mean, this is a very fast seduction, unless she feels REAALLY conected to you there's gonna be this little voice in her head like "this is going to fast, you don't even know this guy". I think for a lot of girls sex is a bigger step that requires something more, masturbation, oral and that type of stuff is a little fun to them, but then sex is like admitting they contemplate (in some level) having a child with you, because, well, biologically, that's the point of sex, and they are always taking a risk (even if we try to avoid that so hard most of the time lol). She can't really have a child with some random she just met, right, unless it's like, love at first sight.

Also there's girls and girls, some have points of resistance way before sex, others won't even mind having sex with a "random guy" (generally those have quite some experience).

I don't think it's as much about antislut defence as much as it's a lack of enough connection for her to feel safe to give her pussy to you. How you fix that is up to you, depends on the girl, maybe it's worth stepping on the breaks a bit on your first interaction, so next time you see her you can go all in (on a more private place, preferably). Also it's harder for the girl to feel confortable for public sex with a guy they barely know, I think it's mostly just the girls with more experience that would go for that, the others would only go with a partner they know for sometime, not on their first roll on the hay (I mean, they might go, women are highly emotional, but I feel like it needs to be like the perfect storm, not exactly reliable, if you feel me).

That said, props on the results, you're getting some dope stuff out of every day occasions, that's some impressive game, I just think you really need better logistics to be closing regularly.

 

[Skjöldr]

Man this is really cool, need to try this.

 

[sab]

Amazing feat. This article may be helpful. https://www.girlschase.com/content/tactics-tuesdays-keep-fingering-her-dont-stop

 

[Skills]

Ha! Told you guys milking the intro works. And told you 60 my favorite book.... but is limited as you can see you need to combine with second gen... what she was wearing?

 

[Jan]

Ha! Told you guys milking the intro works. And told you 60 my favorite book.... but is limited as you can see you need to combine with second gen... what she was wearing?

Just a regular summer dress, nothing special

 

[Skills]

Just a regular summer dress, nothing special

Ok if she had jeans it was cause she was scare of getting caught but since she had a dress the pulling out condom manouvering, gave time to logical mind and asd to kick in.

Or she likes you and want to see you again and not go all the way which is good

But persistint is good to a point i dont like to plow too much if not there

 

[Jan]

Ok if she had jeans it was cause she was scare of getting caught but since she had a dress the pulling out condom manouvering, gave time to logical mind and asd to kick in.

Or she likes you and want to see you again and not go all the way which is good

But persistint is good to a point i dont like to plow too much if not there

I remember when were walking into the changing room, she asked: "When you do these type of things, do you do it once only, or?". And I replied,"Usually more than once." I'm thinking that this was a wrong answer. It communicated availability instead of scarcity. Next time, I'm gonna try: "Depends" or "Sometimes once or sometimes more than once." I want to put more pressure on "here and now", so she doesn't plan too much ahead, and so she feels and thinking "Probably, I can get this guy now or never. Let's do it."

 

[Skills]

I remember when were walking into the changing room, she asked: "When you do these type of things, do you do it once only, or?". And I replied,"Usually more than once." I'm thinking that this was a wrong answer. It communicated availability instead of scarcity. Next time, I'm gonna try: "Depends" or "Sometimes once or sometimes more than once." I want to put more pressure on "here and now", so she doesn't plan too much ahead, and so she feels and thinking "Probably, I can get this guy now or never. Let's do it."

Horrible answer. Learn second gen:

 

[Whiteheart]

I started doing day game in shopping centres, based on 60 years of challenge system. This is a FR from day one of my experiment with this system.

I approached this single blonde girl walking in a shopping centre. I stopped her, said hi, told her that I saw her walking, I liked her and wanted to tell her that I liked her. Then, I introduced myself by offering her my hand. She took my hand and introduced her. I HELD her hand, waiting for her to take her hand away (first gauge of attraction by 60's system). I kept her hand while she started qualifying herself by telling me how great it was that I approached her, because in our country is so rare. She kept holding my hand for first few minutes. SEEMED REALLY LONG. This gave me a strong conviction that attraction is there.

Man, all congratulations! Sure, the best thing is that there was something good between you two and next time with her or someone else will be even better! May I ask if this was report was somewhere from East or South East Europe?

Approaching women here is rare, partly due to lack of skills and partly due to female unreceptiveness. I approached during daygame but mostly parks. I ask because women in shopping centers are focused on shopping and not men, very hard to hook into conversation and I gave up completely from this venue. Also, I have seen some other men who tried in shopping centers with some mediocre game and were characterized as molesters.

 

[Jan]

Man, all congratulations! Sure, the best thing is that there was something good between you two and next time with her or someone else will be even better! May I ask if this was report was somewhere from East or South East Europe?

Approaching women here is rare, partly due to lack of skills and partly due to female unreceptiveness. I approached during daygame but mostly parks. I ask because women in shopping centers are focused on shopping and not men, very hard to hook into conversation and I gave up completely from this venue. Also, I have seen some other men who tried in shopping centers with some mediocre game and were characterized as molesters.

Eastern Europe

You don't worry what they are thinking/doing when you approach. Some of them, are gonna be super busy - you let them go. Some are gonna be super into you - you let them stay

 

[Chase]

Nice report, @Jan!

There were a few little speed bumps but you handled them well.

Comments:

I started doing day game in shopping centres, based on 60 years of challenge system. This is a FR from day one of my experiment with this system.

I approached this single blonde girl walking in a shopping centre. I stopped her, said hi, told her that I saw her walking, I liked her and wanted to tell her that I liked her. Then, I introduced myself by offering her my hand. She took my hand and introduced her. I HELD her hand, waiting for her to take her hand away (first gauge of attraction by 60's system). I kept her hand while she started qualifying herself by telling me how great it was that I approached her, because in our country is so rare. She kept holding my hand for first few minutes. SEEMED REALLY LONG. This gave me a strong conviction that attraction is there.

Therefore, I escalated. I took a small step towards her I asked to have a juice with me. She agreed without hesitation. This compliance triggered my automatic reaction -I rewarded her with even more touch - with my second hand I gently touched her arm.

I grabbed her hand and we walked to the cafe like a couple. I knew that attraction was there, so I decided to escalate the vibe, by being as quiet as possible, and letting her talk, and talk and talk. I need to admit that being so silent was a new experience for me (usually I talk), and I wasn't very comfortable, I wasn't very convinced that it's gonna work. My lack of conviction was heard in my voice. Paradoxically, I was somehow glad that I didn't have to talk much with this weak voice.

In the cafe, she kept talking, introducing more and more intimate topics (relationships, sexual relationships). I focused on caressing her hand, listening, contributing from time to time, but as little as possible, and touching her thighs from time to time. We spent probably 30-45" in the cafe. At some point she said that she really liked how I touched her.

This is all great.

At some point I told her that I would like to try a t-shirt in a sports shop, and that I would like her to offer her female advice. She said sure, a then she started to think, and said, "sure I can help you with that, even though I don't know what if there is any hidden agenda". Initially I didn't say anything, but then later I whispered into her ear, "Yeah, there is a hidden agenda." Now, I'm thinking that maybe I have triggered her ASD by admitting this.

It's a bit risky, laying your cards on the table. Though often by the point a girl will say it openly, she is in "decision mode", so admitting it can get her to 'decide' in your favor (or she may go the other way).

There are a few other ways you can go:

1. Mock offense: [knowing grin] "Me? Hidden agenda? I would never have any but the purest thoughts with you."
   
   
2. Sexy teasing: [sexy teasing tone] "What kind of agendas are we talking about here? Kidnap you and take you away in my van kind?"
   
   
3. Clarification seeking: [sexy exploratory tone] "Well if I DID have a hidden agenda... would you be joining forces with me on it?"

Each of these has its pros and cons.

There is also "ignore/deflect", which sometimes will work, but other times will end you up in situations where you start escalating and she goes, "I KNEW there was an agenda here! Well I have to go blah blah," and you realize it'd have been better to get it more open up front so she could make up her mind in advance rather than trick herself into thinking you just wanted to pull her somewhere private just as friends. Seems like this happens more with logical girls who aren't as carried away by the arousal you're creating in them.

At this point, I stumbled across first real resistance. She said that, sure we can go the this changing room, and we can have some fun there, but I don't know if we can have ALL THE FUN. She started saying something that, she is more comfortable doing this at home, in bed, etc. She also mentioned something about "point of resistance." I thought that she was asking me, "what if I don't feel comfortable doing something.". I told her that she is totally free to leave at any point, and whenever she feels uncomfortable I will respect this. I thought this question is about sexual comfort.

The point about being more comfortable in bed is a very useful tip for getting past her objections later.

I'll explain in a moment...

That said, she is telling you outright she's already decided to have "some fun" with you. So she was definitely looking for a decision point, and has already made that decision.

Either way, I asked her to walk to the changing room (I checked this changing room logistically before, so I knew its a good spot).

Good advance logistical planning!

In the changing room, we hugged, kissed, I took her panties off, I fingered her, and she gave me a blowjob. However, when I took my condom from the wallet, she said: "This is the moment I want to say stop." I was still little surpised because SHE WAS REAL WET. However, it seems that something in her mind wasn't ready. I thought I didn't reach what Sixty described as AROUSAL POINT OF NO RETURN. Or it was ASD.

Yes, not at the point of no return.

Condoms are a major pattern interrupt. They signal "sex is happening" but they also tell the girl you're not completely into it yourself... because if you were, you'd be so mad for her, so desperate, you'd never even consider putting a condom on... "I'm going to reach for this manmade device and place it over my shaft to guard against reproduction and any possible venereal diseases you might carry" is a real mood killer.

It pays to get good at stealthily putting condoms on without a girl seeing. The easiest way is to get fingering her hard, with her eyes closed / her not watching, your dick right near her pussy, then with your other hand slip the condom out, tear the package, and put it on. When you go in she won't know if there's a condom on you or not, so she isn't pulled out of it.

And I said ok no problem.

Don't say "no problem"; you're acknowledging her sentiment and cementing the emotion.

Instead, smile, put the condom back away, and keep escalating. Focus on making her want it so much she'll beg to have you in her.

I started fingering her, and then took her by her hair, she continued to give me head and finished in her mouth.

The thing to do here is after she does that, keep playing with her body, then tell her, "You're more comfortable at home in bed, right?"

If she says "Yes," she is basically agreeing to sex.

Then here's the trick: now that she's agreed to sex (in theory back at home), you can continue escalating in the dressing room.

Once a girl agrees to sex somewhere, she will very often become more open to having sex anywhere. I've done this a bunch of times with girls having resistance to escalating in some specific location... if she gives you further resistance, you tell her, "Well, we'll just start here, we'll finish there. Okay?" (it's basically another variant of the foot-in-the-door technique)

If you simply cannot get past her location objection, but she's agreed to sex elsewhere, then you just get to the other place ASAP... or (if you're very logistically good) you figure out somewhere to nail her on the way... e.g., you take her out to her car, then get her in the back seat and get your cock in her there, while she's still all hot, horny, and wet, just to lock it in so she won't have second thoughts on the way home.

- I wasn't persistent enough. After she said STOP, I didn't even try once again. I thought, hmm, maybe if I at least try once or twice, I would have aroused her mentally further by my persistance, and that should seal the deal.

I don't know about the other reports, but in this one not handling her discomfort with the location seems like the biggest issue.

I don't think it was ASD. She outright said she'd blow you in the dressing room but that she preferred to have sex at home.

I guess you could make the argument she didn't want to feel like a slut moaning and slamming against the walls of a dressing room, where people can hear her. So maybe that's some public-triggered ASD. But again that's just not arousing her enough / overcome her objections well enough. The blatant condom get-out also disrupts the mood, taking it from animalistic and raw to rational/logical. That needs to be something she doesn't even see/sense happening.

And yes, lack of persistence will do you in almost every time.

Overall, solid report!

You were 98.4% of the way there. A few small tweaks and you'd have been in her pussy as well as her mouth. You almost had this girl.

Well done on the pickup. Can't wait to see where you go with your seductions!

Chase

 

[Jan]

Nice report, @Jan!

There were a few little speed bumps but you handled them well.

Comments:



This is all great.



It's a bit risky, laying your cards on the table. Though often by the point a girl will say it openly, she is in "decision mode", so admitting it can get her to 'decide' in your favor (or she may go the other way).

There are a few other ways you can go:

1. Mock offense: [knowing grin] "Me? Hidden agenda? I would never have any but the purest thoughts with you."
   
   
2. Sexy teasing: [sexy teasing tone] "What kind of agendas are we talking about here? Kidnap you and take you away in my van kind?"
   
   
3. Clarification seeking: [sexy exploratory tone] "Well if I DID have a hidden agenda... would you be joining forces with me on it?"

Each of these has its pros and cons.

There is also "ignore/deflect", which sometimes will work, but other times will end you up in situations where you start escalating and she goes, "I KNEW there was an agenda here! Well I have to go blah blah," and you realize it'd have been better to get it more open up front so she could make up her mind in advance rather than trick herself into thinking you just wanted to pull her somewhere private just as friends. Seems like this happens more with logical girls who aren't as carried away by the arousal you're creating in them.



The point about being more comfortable in bed is a very useful tip for getting past her objections later.

I'll explain in a moment...

That said, she is telling you outright she's already decided to have "some fun" with you. So she was definitely looking for a decision point, and has already made that decision.



Good advance logistical planning!



Yes, not at the point of no return.

Condoms are a major pattern interrupt. They signal "sex is happening" but they also tell the girl you're not completely into it yourself... because if you were, you'd be so mad for her, so desperate, you'd never even consider putting a condom on... "I'm going to reach for this manmade device and place it over my shaft to guard against reproduction and any possible venereal diseases you might carry" is a real mood killer.

It pays to get good at stealthily putting condoms on without a girl seeing. The easiest way is to get fingering her hard, with her eyes closed / her not watching, your dick right near her pussy, then with your other hand slip the condom out, tear the package, and put it on. When you go in she won't know if there's a condom on you or not, so she isn't pulled out of it.



Don't say "no problem"; you're acknowledging her sentiment and cementing the emotion.

Instead, smile, put the condom back away, and keep escalating. Focus on making her want it so much she'll beg to have you in her.



The thing to do here is after she does that, keep playing with her body, then tell her, "You're more comfortable at home in bed, right?"

If she says "Yes," she is basically agreeing to sex.

Then here's the trick: now that she's agreed to sex (in theory back at home), you can continue escalating in the dressing room.

Once a girl agrees to sex somewhere, she will very often become more open to having sex anywhere. I've done this a bunch of times with girls having resistance to escalating in some specific location... if she gives you further resistance, you tell her, "Well, we'll just start here, we'll finish there. Okay?" (it's basically another variant of the foot-in-the-door technique)

If you simply cannot get past her location objection, but she's agreed to sex elsewhere, then you just get to the other place ASAP... or (if you're very logistically good) you figure out somewhere to nail her on the way... e.g., you take her out to her car, then get her in the back seat and get your cock in her there, while she's still all hot, horny, and wet, just to lock it in so she won't have second thoughts on the way home.



I don't know about the other reports, but in this one not handling her discomfort with the location seems like the biggest issue.

I don't think it was ASD. She outright said she'd blow you in the dressing room but that she preferred to have sex at home.

I guess you could make the argument she didn't want to feel like a slut moaning and slamming against the walls of a dressing room, where people can hear her. So maybe that's some public-triggered ASD. But again that's just not arousing her enough / overcome her objections well enough. The blatant condom get-out also disrupts the mood, taking it from animalistic and raw to rational/logical. That needs to be something she doesn't even see/sense happening.

And yes, lack of persistence will do you in almost every time.

Overall, solid report!

You were 98.4% of the way there. A few small tweaks and you'd have been in her pussy as well as her mouth. You almost had this girl.

Well done on the pickup. Can't wait to see where you go with your seductions!

Chase

Awesome feedback. Thanks!

I especially liked the part about the last 10%, condoms use and how it may reduce her arousal, foot-in-the-door technique, etc. Cheers

 

[Swati]

very interesting. I've actually can't recall a time that a girl only wanted to give head, other than a virgin. Have encountered a time when they had more reservation about giving head than fucking. But if it was in an area that is not completely blocked off you may risk getting caught by the employee or security. I try not to escalate in public places when you could seed for home or a secure location where you can build tension and allow her to be complete slut.

Nice LR- btw