Can a seducer ever be “friendzoned”

[Rakehell]

I feel like the title is self explanatory. But could someone exceptionally seductive ever find themselves in the friendzone?

Like a guy who doesn’t really submit to frames not congruent to whatever courtship he’s trying to build. I feel like a girl withholding sex from a seductive guy and trying to “friendzone” him is analogous to keeping a lion as a pet. It’s cool and it’s exotic but at any point thing’s could get scary. The type of guy you wouldn’t want your girlfriend being friends with because he just reeks of sexual intent.

He doesn’t buy her things or entertain boring topics she tries to test him with. He doesn’t pour time into her giving her attention all the time. ahe doesn’t help her with anything silly like shopping or picking her kids up from soccer practice. He’ll sexually reframe her hard and tease her with other women. He most likely makes her really horny and she’s definitely attracted. He might even frame it as him friendzoning her and her being the one who actually wants him. And she either has to ghost him or stick around because his behavior will not change.

Does the friendzone exist for seducers or is it just like a prolonged seduction that he has to decide whether he wants to pour time into?

This is a mental masturbation post for sure, but it just crossed my mind and i’m curious to know if i’m hitting the mark.

 

[Gaturro]

it doesn’t exist because if you get friendzoned you move on

unless you want to be friends for some reason

moving fast and not missing windows is a way not to get friendzoned, but i still get the occasional uninterested girl calling me her friend (not to be confused with shit tests) what i do in that case is just moving on

 

[Alpha13SC]

For me, friend zone doesn't exist. If it goes well, then good, otherwise onto the next one.

 

[Derek da man]

Depends on his choice I would suggest.

I have girls/women in my life who are friends. I spend time with them doing things I enjoy but there is no sexual attraction, I don't do anything seductive with them and they don't really know my seductive side - although 1 or 2 have seen my cheeky flirty side on the odd occasion it escaped my self control. I do things for them/with them that friends would do, help out, give advice, etc. So yes I'm in their "friend zone" but its by my choice as I get other things from them.

Then I have girls/women that are really only for dating and sex so they see a flirty, forward guy who will escalate at almost any opportunity, although I hold back occasionally just to tease and increase desire. These girls don't get me doing things to help out, listen and give advice beyond anecdotes or the like that I might use to set frames.

Being a Gemini I do tend to have a jeckly and hyde personality and switch from one style to another in many areas of life.

 

[Searcher]

Being in the friendzone is as much a guy's choice as it is a girls.
It's all a balance of interest and there will always be cases where a guy is more interested in a girl than a girl is interested in him and at that point if he sees his investment or interest is not being matched and yet still continues to invest then he is in the friendzone.

However if someone says that all the girls that he was interested in were always more interested in him than he was in them and has never come across a case where a girl didn't reciprocate his interest is lying and protecting his ego.

Because if every girl the seducer was interested in always reciprocated with more interest all the time then the approach to lay ratio would be 100%.

Ask yourself if you approach some girl who is much socially sharper than you and mostly hangs out with high self-esteem people with much more charisma than you, what would happen?
Would she reciprocate your interest? Not likely.
will you accept the fact that you will need to work on yourself more to get girls like that or will you auto-reject telling yourself that you weren't interested in her anyway?

 

[Tim Iron]

Friends with a few ladies - yes, like co-workers and neighbours but not "friend zoned" because they never wanted to seduce these women in the first place. After a few meet ups, a skilled seducer would most likely move on if sex hasn't happened.

 

[Zoro]

Friendzone is just sticking around a girl who’s not interested or pretending you’re not interested.

Men with game either get the girl or move on.

 

[ulrich]

Yes, it can happen… because from time to time you get into new situations and there’s a chance you get confused and forget to act like the seducer you are.

No one is perfectly congruent 100% of the time.
There will be times where you may slip.

Things like that happen… but they shouldn’t happen often if you’re experienced enough.