Can y’all help me past this sticking point!?

[Sub-Zero]

but it seems girls don’t respect Anything unless I tell them I just want to fuck and that’s it.

Wow Id love to hear your convo's if thats the case. Its very interesting how much girls are out to get you I cant say I relate to that.

Idk man Im pretty nice (but command respect with my presence) and am just firm when a girl tests me in not looking like a weako. So I kinda do both.

I cant relate to the "battle frame" well of defeating the evil enemy hah, maybe were just talking to different girls.

So give a few examples of girls "being assholes" or playing games with you. I never run into this as a problem like ever really so Id be curious to hear your exact experiences.

Sure, no problem. Got a few examples for you. Each word in front shows where I met them.


Work- Girl broke up with her long time boyfriend. I was the rebound, fucked her for hours, made her cum and everything all over my sheets. Never got her out again, why? Because she just didn’t wanna be fucked and that’s it, but yet I’m the rebound.

Work- I had a girl who was on her period when I chilled with her. She could have been lying, but I did feel a pad, we kissed and fucked around, but I wasn’t fond of period sex with her. She said she wanted to see me again, then that never happened. So you mean to tell me that I had to smash this bitch on her period? She wanted me to smash while on her period like that’s normal for the first time? So she got mad I didn’t do it and went cold? Sounds stupid.

Day game/ cashier- Was saying she was gonna chill with me and literally didn’t respond to my text confirmation. Saw her in person and she still insists I ask her to chill. Fuck that.

Nightclubs/bars- Kisses, grinding, talking, etc. never leads anywhere.

Dating apps- Girls act so high interest and open saying they are free whenever, match with me like crazy, but when it comes time to put up or shut up. Nothing.

Work- Girl I fucked was in love with me for years and would hit me up whenever she was in town trying to fuck. Hit her up to say ok, nothing.

So as you can see girls from all avenues do this from different places to girls I fucked and didn’t fuck. It’s always a game, it’s always say one thing, then do the opposite.

Where my anger comes from is that, these girls never can just be honest, they just like wasting time. Not saying every girl has to put up or shut up, but there has to be a time where you can be serious and not play games all the time.

I have tried a warm vibe and a cold vibe. The only way I seem to get laid is when the girl is 100% telling me she wants me to fuck her. But how often will girls actually keep it honest like that and let you fuck with no effort?

I honestly don’t have conversation examples because these are over the years, but it’s like I get all the interest and compliance, but when it comes to a meet up or sex, they just play games.

If you have any tips on how you avoid these let me know because I have been nice to women and I have been cold to women, even medium, so idk.

And the worst part is that I’m a pretty good catch and have good fundamentals m, girls always talk about my physical appearance which makes it easier to be sexual, so it really baffles me when things get so difficult.

You haven’t dealt with it much, so that’s good, hope you can help me out.

 

[Sub-Zero]

@mr.rob

Another thing I forgot to add, these girls want me to hate them, they want to burn bridges.

For example I would have girls set up dates with me, then when I confirm the date with a location or time they get mad at me for it and cut contact or just be a bitch. Makes no sense, they literally tell me when they want to see me, so I confirm the date and the girl would straight stop talking to me, like I’m trying to get them out, when they are the ones actually asking me out and telling me they want to see me and that they are free anytime.

You see why I get so emotional and angry ?

I’m actually open to being cool and friends with girls that don’t want to have sex or date, why do we have to be enemies?

It’s because they’re bitches!!

That girl with the period? She became a bitch to me for no reason after I didn’t fuck her because she was on it.

One girl was mad at me because I didn’t want to make her my girl after fucking her.

One girl was mad at me because I didn’t want to take her out after fucking her, when I was only the side dude.

It’s crazy man, I’m not mad that these girls are just playing games, but they are doing things to make us not even be cool.

This one girl really pissed me off because she was the one saying she wanted to see me anytime because she is free all the time, she picked the day, I reach out to confirm and she went ghost on me real bad, like she wasn’t the one talking about a date, I wasn’t at all. All she had to do was be honest.

Now I have to go out with anger on my mind because these girls are doing things to actually make me loath them. It isn’t some we can still be cool thing, it always ends up with us being against each other because of their rude behaviors.

Best believe they know I don’t like them and they can rot in hell after that!!

 

[DarkKnight]

Sub I understand your anger bro. I think we seducers are more aware of such things because we don't insulate ourselves against female whimsical behaviours.

However I honestly think you have to change your paradigm/minddet about women. You just naturally have to understand that a lot of girls won't come through. It is what it is. You can't get angry at a spider, for being a spider. Just deliberate less on the rejection and cycle faster to other girls.

My pet peeve has always been flirty girls, or those who try to keep you on the hook while they are deliberating. I especially dislike it when they get vengeful for not following their plan. I learned the best way is to cycle immediately, they are just not used to it. It berefts them from every validation.

No mercy

 

[Sub-Zero]

For real, we have to replace these hoes dark knight.

 

[Hue]

However I honestly think you have to change your paradigm/minddet about women. You just naturally have to understand that a lot of girls won't come through. It is what it is. You can't get angry at a spider, for being a spider.

Love this.

Was just talking with a guy I know who's deep into Red Pill about women (pretty damn sure he's a sociopath, like 95% sure) and his clear problem in succeeding with woman is misogyny. He would say shit like "girls are just so fucking stupid bro..." then go on to explain what happened that frustrated him, which he took basically zero responsibility for.

Girls are gonna have tendencies that are initially frustrating, but once you learn to understand the motivations behind why woman act the way they do (and it's actually reasonable majority of the time), you learn to accept them. Once you learn to accept them, you can learn to appreciate them, and once you learn to appreciate them, you learn to love/enjoy them.

Understand --> accept --> appreciate --> love/enjoy.

So Sub, that means you have to learn why girls play games. Believe me, I've been fucking pissed as hell about woman's games before. I don't like passive aggressive behavior (especially in men) very much because I've dealt with people very close to me who act passive aggressively to avoid conflict. Conflict that would have stopped holding me back, if things had just been resolved directly.

It's proven to be one of my sticking points with woman, at least mentally, because woman tend to be passive in how they behave in the dating world.


The truth hurts dude, I get it.

But it helps you, and it makes you stronger.

Woman are flakey, and woman are gamey (journal post of mine, over two years ago).

The faster you swallow that pill, the faster you'll get better.

When you're sick and you're tired and you're thirsty and you take that first bite or drink, you sip slow because truth is harsh and it burns. But it's also addictive... you want more... 'til you drink. more. water.

- Mick Jenkins

Getting angry doesn't help you though.

Take a deep breath, go exercise, meditate, or something that you know calms you down, then come back to this.

You're growing (;


Hue

 

[Sub-Zero]

Hey Hue,

This has been happening all my life tho, a girl will show so much interest and when it’s time to date or chill, she acts cold.

Why would that be? And this has been for many years.

I’ve only fucked girls who straight up told me they wanted to fuck.

 

[Hue]

Sub,

Let's see your texts between getting her number, setting up the date, and proceeding to the date. My bad if you posted that already and I didn't see them.

If that's been your experience for many years I understand your frustrations and how easy it can be to form less healthy, or incomplete beliefs about woman (example: "it's because they're bitches"). However, the problem may be a technical one as well on how you're texting them. Texting was also really difficult for me, and idk what I'd have done if it weren't for Hector looking at tons of my texts and correcting my habits and methods.



If you've only fucked girls who made it abundantly clear they're DTF then you're missing out on many, less aggressive woman my friend

 

[Sub-Zero]

Hue,

Well I don’t really have examples because this is the span of many years.

What I can tell you is that I don’t have any text conversations, I’ve been out the game for a while because I was with a chick, but before her I would text girls just to meet up and that’s it. If I had any long conversations with girls it was because they kept texting me, whenever I start off a text conversation they would always act like they didn’t want to talk, so I would just let them text me and I would only text to set up dates and only that.

Now I still do this just because what are you really going to text about ? But now I have added phone game to my style. I actually was doing a lot of texting with a chick recently and it went no where and felt platonic af, I asked her out, didn’t work out, she asked me to go to a party, didn’t go.

So I have always avoided texting women if I didn’t try to get them out and if I wanted to get to know them I would just call them.

I did this before I found GC and my style is like Chase’s, just ask for the date. I would only text to ask her out, but if she wanted to have a conversation we could.

So what did Hector tell you to text about ? Say if you got a girls number right now and the date was in a few days to a week, what would you text her? How often and what would you guys text about? What is your current text game and how do you feel about my straight to date text?

Like I said now I like doing phone calls to make girls more comfortable with me. Yeah I know I’m missing out on many lmao, but they just be on bullshit man idk. I’ve been here so long and I don’t even use the methods because I don’t get a chance lol I mean I don’t mind easy lays, but how often will the lays be easy?

Thanks for your reply hopefully you can give me some good text game and maybe it’ll get these bitches more interested. I’m not tryna be her text body though.

 

[DarkKnight]

Sub zero,

I am actually curious about this: during all these interactions: what did your gut feelings say? I notice with a lot of guys that their gut shows them things which are weird or incongruent from the girl but the guys rationalize it.

Also do you discern hotness from beauty, chase had an article about this and it is on the point. Hot girls can be serious attention whores and you have to feel where their behaviour is coming from. Natural beauties dont tend to behave the same way, because they dont feel a great urge to compensate.

Let me tell you a story which happened today:
I was at the gym minding my business until I saw this girl who tried to get my attention after I behaved aloof with her, but she didn't autoreject yet, about this I am sure. She is this tanned, fit looking girl with overly sexy clothes. I am really athletic as well, probably much more even, so I don't feel intimidated.

So I was about to approach her by using law of least effort, using a machine near to her. However she suddenly put her headphones in and stared right in front of her. I felt a little too high value to put up with her (which she probably noticed) and talked with another other fun girl. Which because she is a woman, she probably noticed as well.

10 minutes later I went to the rowing exercise and lo and behold, she was "suddenly" squatting in front of me: this was no coincidence, 5 minutes later when she noticed I ignored her she was using the abdominal machine with her body turned to me.

Right up at that point I stared her in the eyes (made her look away twice), but I noticed no true submission. She was just fishing for attention since she knew she didnt got me. I would have felt it otherwise. I screened her out and am pretty sure my gut feelings are correct.

Point is you have to screen better what those girls are about. They are used to suckers who throw themselves at them.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Work- Girl broke up with her long time boyfriend. I was the rebound, fucked her for hours, made her cum and everything all over my sheets. Never got her out again, why? Because she just didn’t wanna be fucked and that’s it, but yet I’m the rebound.

Work- I had a girl who was on her period when I chilled with her. She could have been lying, but I did feel a pad, we kissed and fucked around, but I wasn’t fond of period sex with her. She said she wanted to see me again, then that never happened. So you mean to tell me that I had to smash this bitch on her period? She wanted me to smash while on her period like that’s normal for the first time? So she got mad I didn’t do it and went cold? Sounds stupid.

Day game/ cashier- Was saying she was gonna chill with me and literally didn’t respond to my text confirmation. Saw her in person and she still insists I ask her to chill. Fuck that.

Nightclubs/bars- Kisses, grinding, talking, etc. never leads anywhere.

Dating apps- Girls act so high interest and open saying they are free whenever, match with me like crazy, but when it comes time to put up or shut up. Nothing.

Work- Girl I fucked was in love with me for years and would hit me up whenever she was in town trying to fuck. Hit her up to say ok, nothing.

So as you can see girls from all avenues do this from different places to girls I fucked and didn’t fuck. It’s always a game, it’s always say one thing, then do the opposite.

So I read the majority of this list and think "well of course she acted that way"... You just don't understand women and or pickup on subtexts being communicated and take womens words at face value. Instead of trying to empathize and understand you write off and get bitter each time furthering the cycle each time.

This happens I see with guys who are naturally lower empathy and haven't spent loads of time being friends with women.

Also 2 of the above are just cases of missing escalation windows (your fault) and not the girls fault in the slightest.

Dont have time to explain further atm but ya your not connecting the dots of womens actions. Might be an area to focus on. The exercise Id leave u with is to relive each of those above scenarios again and try and see if you can get a feel for why each girl acted that way.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Sub zero,

I am actually curious about this: during all these interactions: what did your gut feelings say? I notice with a lot of guys that their gut shows them things which are weird or incongruent from the girl but the guys rationalize it.

Also do you discern hotness from beauty, chase had an article about this and it is on the point. Hot girls can be serious attention whores and you have to feel where their behaviour is coming from. Natural beauties dont tend to behave the same way, because they dont feel a great urge to compensate.

Let me tell you a story which happened today:
I was at the gym minding my business until I saw this girl who tried to get my attention after I behaved aloof with her, but she didn't autoreject yet, about this I am sure. She is this tanned, fit looking girl with overly sexy clothes. I am really athletic as well, probably much more even, so I don't feel intimidated.

So I was about to approach her by using law of least effort, using a machine near to her. However she suddenly put her headphones in and stared right in front of her. I felt a little too high value to put up with her (which she probably noticed) and talked with another other fun girl. Which because she is a woman, she probably noticed as well.

10 minutes later I went to the rowing exercise and lo and behold, she was "suddenly" squatting in front of me: this was no coincidence, 5 minutes later when she noticed I ignored her she was using the abdominal machine with her body turned to me.

Right up at that point I stared her in the eyes (made her look away twice), but I noticed no true submission. She was just fishing for attention since she knew she didnt got me. I would have felt it otherwise. I screened her out and am pretty sure my gut feelings are correct.

Point is you have to screen better what those girls are about. They are used to suckers who throw themselves at them.

I don’t really have a gut feeling like that, I just try to move things along. I don’t validate these women at all either, and I’m definitely not a sucker lol. I rarely give women any compliments at all unless I’m trying to fuck, or I genuinely appreciate something I like, women fish for compliments for me. I’ll try to screen, but my screen is always put up or shut up.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Work- Girl broke up with her long time boyfriend. I was the rebound, fucked her for hours, made her cum and everything all over my sheets. Never got her out again, why? Because she just didn’t wanna be fucked and that’s it, but yet I’m the rebound.

Work- I had a girl who was on her period when I chilled with her. She could have been lying, but I did feel a pad, we kissed and fucked around, but I wasn’t fond of period sex with her. She said she wanted to see me again, then that never happened. So you mean to tell me that I had to smash this bitch on her period? She wanted me to smash while on her period like that’s normal for the first time? So she got mad I didn’t do it and went cold? Sounds stupid.

Day game/ cashier- Was saying she was gonna chill with me and literally didn’t respond to my text confirmation. Saw her in person and she still insists I ask her to chill. Fuck that.

Nightclubs/bars- Kisses, grinding, talking, etc. never leads anywhere.

Dating apps- Girls act so high interest and open saying they are free whenever, match with me like crazy, but when it comes time to put up or shut up. Nothing.

Work- Girl I fucked was in love with me for years and would hit me up whenever she was in town trying to fuck. Hit her up to say ok, nothing.

So as you can see girls from all avenues do this from different places to girls I fucked and didn’t fuck. It’s always a game, it’s always say one thing, then do the opposite.

So I read the majority of this list and think "well of course she acted that way"... You just don't understand women and or pickup on subtexts being communicated and take womens words at face value. Instead of trying to empathize and understand you write off and get bitter each time furthering the cycle each time.

This happens I see with guys who are naturally lower empathy and haven't spent loads of time being friends with women.

Also 2 of the above are just cases of missing escalation windows (your fault) and not the girls fault in the slightest.

Dont have time to explain further atm but ya your not connecting the dots of womens actions. Might be an area to focus on. The exercise Id leave u with is to relive each of those above scenarios again and try and see if you can get a feel for why each girl acted that way.

I’ve had a few female best friends, one I grew up with since a kid that would always do sexual things with me. We stopped being friends because she’s two faced. Another girl was my friend and we were always cool, we just stopped talking because of life. But the first girl I was friends with her for years on years.

I mean I try to treat these women right, sometimes they call me a nice guy. But I know what women can do so I don’t try to be too nice. I do take things at face value a lot, idk why, I mean I have been sexually things since I was in elementary school so idk why I don’t understand women for some reason? Maybe it just isn’t meant to be? Maybe I’m just a matter of fact person? But yes, I am definitely a words guy, I try to see the actions as well.

I mean am I really low empathy? I try to be nice to women and not in a nice guy supplication way trying to get into their pants. Girls would always come crying to me about problems and I was their friend and didn’t want them to feel bad (the weak side of me) they usually end up falling for me and then we have sex.

To be honest there are some women that are just bitches out here no matter what. I know some of these scenarios I didn’t do anything wrong, they just played games.

Maybe I’m thinking of empathy wrong, and it really means to see how the other person thinks instead of just how I think. Idk why I’m like that, but I’ll try to see from the other person’s shoes.

And don’t forget I’m from the hood man, nothing but mean people there. You can’t be nice to these women, they don’t respect it. The females friends I’ve had were all sluts, they all would clown on men who worshiped them.

I actually believe I’m too nice to women and I kind of hype them up. When I really like a girl I think about all the good things we could do together besides sex, like whatever just chill and hang out, to have someone I can chill with and she can be real with me, all that mushy shit.

I try not to be cold, but women have treated me like shit for doing little nice things, I’m just a chill dude through and through, but I don’t like when people try me.

Tell you what, take your time with your response, I would extremely appreciate it if you broke down what I did wrong and what I should have done.

And on my side I will write down for each scenario that I gave you on girls, why I think they did what they did.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Ok so here’s what I think I could have done to make these situations run better.

Mr.rob and others please chime in.


Work- Girl broke up with her long time boyfriend. I was the rebound, fucked her for hours, made her cum and everything all over my sheets. Never got her out again, why? Because she just didn’t wanna be fucked and that’s it, but yet I’m the rebound.

*So with this girl, the only thing I could think of that would make her see me again is to hang out with her before her coming straight over. That’s the only thing I could think of, she kept saying she wanted to go to the club, but how does that help me get a lay? So the only thing her and I could do was something else. Maybe we could have just done something quick then chill at the crib after.

Work- I had a girl who was on her period when I chilled with her. She could have been lying, but I did feel a pad, we kissed and fucked around, but I wasn’t fond of period sex with her. She said she wanted to see me again, then that never happened. So you mean to tell me that I had to smash this bitch on her period? She wanted me to smash while on her period like that’s normal for the first time? So she got mad I didn’t do it and went cold? Sounds stupid.

*I could have fucked her on her period of course, but I really didn’t want to. I never knew girls went into auto rejection even if you don’t like period sex, but hey women only care about what they want anyway.

Day game/ cashier- Was saying she was gonna chill with me and literally didn’t respond to my text confirmation. Saw her in person and she still insists I ask her to chill. Fuck that.

* I could have reached out to her again to chill.

Nightclubs/bars- Kisses, grinding, talking, etc. never leads anywhere.

* Try to sleep with them the same night.

Dating apps- Girls act so high interest and open saying they are free whenever, match with me like crazy, but when it comes time to put up or shut up. Nothing.

*Still don’t know what I’m doing wrong exactly, I honestly feel some are straight attention whores. I try to move super fast like within the first 4-6 messages. I can’t see what else I could do, but I’ll work on it.


Work- Girl I fucked was in love with me for years and would hit me up whenever she was in town trying to fuck. Hit her up to say ok, nothing.

*I could have hit her up again to chill.

So that’s my take on what I could have done to better those situations. Now I’ll try to use more empathy and see why they behave this way. To me it still doesn’t make sense because when I think of reasons on why a girl did such and such, it just seems like it makes no type of sense to me, I can’t understand why these chicks do what they do.

 

[Hue]

So what did Hector tell you to text about ? Say if you got a girls number right now and the date was in a few days to a week, what would you text her? How often and what would you guys text about? What is your current text game and how do you feel about my straight to date text?

Like I said now I like doing phone calls to make girls more comfortable with me. Yeah I know I’m missing out on many lmao, but they just be on bullshit man idk. I’ve been here so long and I don’t even use the methods because I don’t get a chance lol I mean I don’t mind easy lays, but how often will the lays be easy?

Thanks for your reply hopefully you can give me some good text game and maybe it’ll get these bitches more interested. I’m not tryna be her text body though.

Hector didn't say "text her this, forever". After multiple times of me showing him texts things just started to click.

It's a dance, where you have to respond completely based off of how she is responding.

Asking a specific question that you know suites her interests is one way to do it. Or sending her some type of media to get the ball rolling immediately. Most guys attempt with a "hey what's up" kinda shit, which if the girl is open to it can work, but you're better off just skipping straight to a convo or topic.

A girl I know who loves ariana grande for example. I sent her a video of her doing impressions of other singers just to "ping" her, then sent about 2-3 texts after that about the video, THEN started asking her what she's doing and slowly getting logistics planned.

The way I look at is is that her phone is a double edged sword of communication. You can "reach" her at any time, but it's much harder to actually REACH her. She's got mad fucking stimulus coming from that thing all the time, from multiple different outlets. Especially with busy woman. You've gotta inch into the conversation simply to be an object present in her everyday thoughts. Your consistent presence on her phone makes her start to think about you, and thus start to care about you (so long as it's a GOOD presence and she likes seeing your texts when she gets them).

My best job I did with texting was right after a coaching session with Hector, after I had been studying the way he texts girls for weeks/months. Read this LR for the exact texts, I followed Hector's "instructions" in my own way. Keep in mind that "texting methods" still have to fit your personality. The way I stagger texts in this brings out my voice, and the way I form sentences brings out "me".

I open her with a basic, "how are you", but I seed in a "ms. busy" because she's been hard to reach. It also adds a playful element to it. Think about what sorts of elements you're ingraining into your texts.

 

[Sub-Zero]

So what did Hector tell you to text about ? Say if you got a girls number right now and the date was in a few days to a week, what would you text her? How often and what would you guys text about? What is your current text game and how do you feel about my straight to date text?

Like I said now I like doing phone calls to make girls more comfortable with me. Yeah I know I’m missing out on many lmao, but they just be on bullshit man idk. I’ve been here so long and I don’t even use the methods because I don’t get a chance lol I mean I don’t mind easy lays, but how often will the lays be easy?

Thanks for your reply hopefully you can give me some good text game and maybe it’ll get these bitches more interested. I’m not tryna be her text body though.

Hector didn't say "text her this, forever". After multiple times of me showing him texts things just started to click.

It's a dance, where you have to respond completely based off of how she is responding.

Asking a specific question that you know suites her interests is one way to do it. Or sending her some type of media to get the ball rolling immediately. Most guys attempt with a "hey what's up" kinda shit, which if the girl is open to it can work, but you're better off just skipping straight to a convo or topic.

A girl I know who loves ariana grande for example. I sent her a video of her doing impressions of other singers just to "ping" her, then sent about 2-3 texts after that about the video, THEN started asking her what she's doing and slowly getting logistics planned.

The way I look at is is that her phone is a double edged sword of communication. You can "reach" her at any time, but it's much harder to actually REACH her. She's got mad fucking stimulus coming from that thing all the time, from multiple different outlets. Especially with busy woman. You've gotta inch into the conversation simply to be an object present in her everyday thoughts. Your consistent presence on her phone makes her start to think about you, and thus start to care about you (so long as it's a GOOD presence and she likes seeing your texts when she gets them).

My best job I did with texting was right after a coaching session with Hector, after I had been studying the way he texts girls for weeks/months. Read this LR for the exact texts, I followed Hector's "instructions" in my own way. Keep in mind that "texting methods" still have to fit your personality. The way I stagger texts in this brings out my voice, and the way I form sentences brings out "me".

I open her with a basic, "how are you", but I seed in a "ms. busy" because she's been hard to reach. It also adds a playful element to it. Think about what sorts of elements you're ingraining into your texts.

Ok imma give that a read. I feel my text game is good, but that’s only when girls text me. If a girl is giving me one word replies or takes like a day to reply. I just don’t see the point of wasting my time texting, I like phone calls because it makes them give me more attention, but some hoes just don’t like talking on the phone.

I’ll try to make this work and appreciate the reply.

 

[Sub-Zero]

So I just read it, and see these girls give you something to work with. I tried doing texting and it wasn’t leading anywhere because the chick wasn’t giving me much to work with. Either the convos are platonic or a chick will take like 2 days to respond.

It seems it’s usually the woman who makes the convo keep going. I always try to ask them out someway.

There’s this one chick I ain’t talk to for a minute that I could never get on the phone and our convos were platonic af.

Seems all I can do is text her, so I’ll give it a shot and try to get to know her from text.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Work- Girl broke up with her long time boyfriend. I was the rebound, fucked her for hours, made her cum and everything all over my sheets. Never got her out again, why? Because she just didn’t wanna be fucked and that’s it, but yet I’m the rebound.

Key word = rebound. She had no intent to enter any sort of relationship just after breaking up she going to sleep around and enjoy being single. Can you blame her?

Work- I had a girl who was on her period when I chilled with her. She could have been lying, but I did feel a pad, we kissed and fucked around, but I wasn’t fond of period sex with her. She said she wanted to see me again, then that never happened. So you mean to tell me that I had to smash this bitch on her period? She wanted me to smash while on her period like that’s normal for the first time? So she got mad I didn’t do it and went cold? Sounds stupid.

Shoulda fucked on her period. Escalation windows dont wait for no man. Her lizard brain is unconciously like "Im offering free sex and he's to squimish to handle a little blood? must not be a powerful fearless man". Again she not actually thinking that as much as its just a unconcious gut feeling (just like when we see a hot babe walk by we have an unconcious gut instinct to fuck.)

Day game/ cashier- Was saying she was gonna chill with me and literally didn’t respond to my text confirmation. Saw her in person and she still insists I ask her to chill. Fuck that.

mayne ur texts suck or maybe you shoulda persisted. Likely you shoulda just made plans to meet up as soon as she gets off and avoid the texting thing altogether. Part of seduction is figuring out how to be resourceful and make things happen to get past a girls roadbumps. If you want things easy buy hookers.

Work- Girl I fucked was in love with me for years and would hit me up whenever she was in town trying to fuck. Hit her up to say ok, nothing

A little unclear here but it sounds like u shoulda fucked her when she was in town calling you (strike while the iron is hot and escalation window wide open) and before she cools off. If you dont understand escalation windows and why women test men do google searches for the GC articles by Chase where he breaks down the psychology of why girls behave in that fashion.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Work- Girl broke up with her long time boyfriend. I was the rebound, fucked her for hours, made her cum and everything all over my sheets. Never got her out again, why? Because she just didn’t wanna be fucked and that’s it, but yet I’m the rebound.

Key word = rebound. She had no intent to enter any sort of relationship just after breaking up she going to sleep around and enjoy being single. Can you blame her?

Work- I had a girl who was on her period when I chilled with her. She could have been lying, but I did feel a pad, we kissed and fucked around, but I wasn’t fond of period sex with her. She said she wanted to see me again, then that never happened. So you mean to tell me that I had to smash this bitch on her period? She wanted me to smash while on her period like that’s normal for the first time? So she got mad I didn’t do it and went cold? Sounds stupid.

Shoulda fucked on her period. Escalation windows dont wait for no man. Her lizard brain is unconciously like "Im offering free sex and he's to squimish to handle a little blood? must not be a powerful fearless man". Again she not actually thinking that as much as its just a unconcious gut feeling (just like when we see a hot babe walk by we have an unconcious gut instinct to fuck.)

Day game/ cashier- Was saying she was gonna chill with me and literally didn’t respond to my text confirmation. Saw her in person and she still insists I ask her to chill. Fuck that.

mayne ur texts suck or maybe you shoulda persisted. Likely you shoulda just made plans to meet up as soon as she gets off and avoid the texting thing altogether. Part of seduction is figuring out how to be resourceful and make things happen to get past a girls roadbumps. If you want things easy buy hookers.

Work- Girl I fucked was in love with me for years and would hit me up whenever she was in town trying to fuck. Hit her up to say ok, nothing

A little unclear here but it sounds like u shoulda fucked her when she was in town calling you (strike while the iron is hot and escalation window wide open) and before she cools off. If you dont understand escalation windows and why women test men do google searches for the GC articles by Chase where he breaks down the psychology of why girls behave in that fashion.

Well the rebound girl actually wanted to see me again, but she said she just didn’t want to only have sex, she said she wanted to go to the club. I said I don’t want to go to the club. I thought the rebound was just for sex, so her not coming over to get fucked and only wanting to go out made me think maybe she wanted a relationship? Maybe she didn’t wanna feel like it was just come over and fuck and go home?

She was the only reason we kept in contact and she kept saying she wanted to see me, but not just to be in the house and fuck.

The cashier got off work at 6 am, idk if I could have fucked that time, I was a lot younger and more naive. I got her number ya like 10 or 11 and figured she would be tired. We made a date and she didn’t answer either.

The last girl, she and I made a date to chill when she got off her period. She said she doesn’t go out on her period and she lived 40 mins away. So we made a date and I texted her the day of asking when she was going to leave her house. She never said anything.

I’m not really tryna pay for pussy, but I got to at least get some kind of dates going on. I’m not even getting dates, it’s either girls like me enough to just come over and fuck or I never see them. I’m not saying I want to do the seduction dance more than get easy pussy, but it does help to know how to maneuver through the seduction dance for future girls.

Tbh I just follow Chase’s texting game. Pretty much, “hey save my number, schedule a date, etc.” I read the recent text article and I even have the ebook. They say nothing about having conversations and just get straight to the point.

I have tried doing phone calls to make things more comfortable, but I don’t really see any strategies on being an engaging texter, and also these women give me such shitty one word replies, or they take a day or two to respond, so I say fuck texting them.

 

[foggy]

I have tried doing phone calls to make things more comfortable, but I don’t really see any strategies on being an engaging texter, and also these women give me such shitty one word replies, or they take a day or two to respond, so I say fuck texting them.

i gave you some good strategies in my 2nd reply

a thought i had: whats gonna happen when you hit a sticking point in daygame?

 

[Sub-Zero]

I have tried doing phone calls to make things more comfortable, but I don’t really see any strategies on being an engaging texter, and also these women give me such shitty one word replies, or they take a day or two to respond, so I say fuck texting them.

i gave you some good strategies in my 2nd reply

a thought i had: whats gonna happen when you hit a sticking point in daygame?

Lol I used your adorable opener, got a thanks and she ghosted. Lol I’m all for texting, but I can’t text unless she gives me something to work with. Can’t make sugar out of shit.

When I get to a sticking point with day game? Guess I’ll have to write down my interactions on here and hopefully everyone chimes in with advice.

Hopefully these sticking points end soon because I’m literally trying every strategy I can think of; I try to be more engaging, I try to be aloof, I try to be nice, I try to be cold, I try to call, I try to text, I try platonic, I try sexual, I try to move fast, I try to move slow.

It’s like they aren’t giving me a chance and you guys are cleaning up online. Idk if it’s because you guys have more women to match with or what, but I get all these matches and they are going nowhere, I was hoping to get my notches up like y’all in a short amount of time.

I hope this sticking point ends soon man, I really do.