Can You Ever Really Separate Personal from Business/Political/Etc.?

[trashKENNUT]

Manosphere guys used to complain about women being solipsistic; the real, stark reality is that women are the followers in the relationship, and followers never understand leaders anywhere near as well as leaders understand followers. When you find those relationships where the man is whiny, feminine, and dependent, and the woman is masculine, domineering, and in-charge, you see the positions juxtaposed on empathy as well, with the dependent guy mostly focused on his own wants and needs even as he serves the leader woman, meanwhile the leader woman (while perhaps put off by her man's dependent nature) has a much more complete understanding of him than he has of her.

And that's the thing though.

I'm pretty sure you agree with me. That now, relationship ladder and work ladder are now intertwine.

There's no longer professional and personal.
Now, everything's personal.
My LinkedIn is now political.

I guess that's why Islam never had women in the same workplace. They saw the retardness of Woke-ism. And it's hilarious now that I am on the same side as Islam and Ben Shapiro, a Jew. LOLX.

Now females are bringing that bullshit out into the world. It used to be in schools, universities and it stayed that way. We have some kind of common grounds. Or the illusion of common grounds until the internet blows it up. Covid just amplifies it.

Now, the world is a highschool playground.

And the more the society tries to say that I hate women, the more I can manipulate, and play "that game", their game. If I remember you say correctly, that the most dangerous man are man who can play the game like a women.

I don't want to play that game. Because it's erratic and nonfunctional. Now, How do we as a society, reconcile that? I don't think we can.

I guess most ppl are just this.

z@c+

 

[Chase]

I'm pretty sure you agree with me. That now, relationship ladder and work ladder are now intertwine.

There's no longer professional and personal.

Yeah.

The idea that humans can perfectly, consistently separate personal from business/academic/political is just idealism detached from reality.

The whole #MeToo thing is that encapsulated: "Shocker! Men in positions of power over women they are unrelated to and have no social ties with use those positions for SEX! Never in a million years would we have expected it!" What is surprising about that? Of course that's what will happen.

That's just one example though. There are things like this throughout Western society. You don't see it quite as much in Eastern society... Asia, Russia, Eastern Europe, though some of this idealistic thinking has bled through from the West as well: this desire to turn man into Homo economicus, a perfect rational unthinking, unbiased, asexual economic unit of production -- well, rational as defined by economic planners, anyway. It is the urban West's ongoing Quixotic quest.

The harder you are working to arm-wrestle nature, the bigger a shock you are in for when nature pins your arm down to the table.

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

this throughout Western society. You don't see it quite as much in Eastern society... Asia, Russia, Eastern Europe, though some of this idealistic thinking has bled through from the West as well: this desire to turn man into Homo economicus, a perfect rational unthinking, unbiased, asexual economic unit of production -- well, rational as defined by economic planners, anyway. It is the urban West's ongoing Quixotic quest

Love this part.

Eastern society is 'undercurrent', if that's the right word. Bosses/Authority is more toxic here, if that makes sense.
Asian mothers = Lack of Sex and BETA males and structural issues.

Asian mums won't admit though. Thus that passive aggression goes into their children, society and workplaces.

Crazy. It's amazing.

West is heading East (stability).
East is heading West (LGBTQ, Freedom).

Both civilizations from East and West, not recognizing that whether you adopt East or West philosophy, both cultures and practices, have flaws.

z@c+

 

[Chase]

@ZacAdam,

Crazy. It's amazing.

West is heading East (stability).
East is heading West (LGBTQ, Freedom).

If you think about it such that when you plunk humans into a certain kind of environment, they naturally gravitate toward certain behaviors, lifestyles, configurations, etc., it makes a lot more sense that as the East has industrialized and amassed its peoples into these big anonymous urban hives, the same way the West has, they are going to trend toward similar behaviors.

When you study past civilizations in both the West and the East, they also have these explosions in homosexuality and casual sex, hand-in-hand with collapses in birth rates, as people accumulate in cities and the countrysides empty out. They were producing homosexual shunga (erotic art) in Japan during the late stages / decline of the Edo period, and homosexual art was abundant too in late-stage heavily urbanized ancient Greece.

Plunk humans into a similar environment, under similar historical conditions, and they will converge on similar types of behaviors other humans have exhibited in that type of environment under those types of conditions.

Asian mothers = Lack of Sex and BETA males and structural issues.

Asian mums won't admit though. Thus that passive aggression goes into their children, society and workplaces.

Well... I'd question whether these are related!

There are a LOT of strong dudes in Asia. A lot who are clear heads of the household. You get your weak-kneed men who are bitched out and pushed around by their wives, but you get a ton of that in the US, and in Europe, and in every country too. It's like everywhere: some families have strong husbands and quiet wives. Some have quiet husbands and strong wives. Then sometimes you get quiet husbands and quiet wives (peaceful but often a lot of unresolved issues no one ever broaches), or strong husbands with strong wives (constant back-and-forth, but hey, at least if there's issues, neither partner's going to shy away from addressing them!).

There's probably a relationship between sex drive and tiger mom-ism, based on what I've seen. But I don't think it's all pent-up sexual aggression. Some of those tiger moms are getting piped hard regularly but they are still tiger moms. There are also the ones who have completely stopped having sex but they aren't doing the tiger mom thing to their kids at all. Seems more to me to be a "higher testosterone levels = higher sex drive & also higher will-to-power used to drive children toward academic/career perfection." In America you get a similar thing with high drive mothers morphing into soccer moms whisking their kids to a half dozen activities and friends' places and gatherings per week for their social and extracurricular development.

Not all these moms are in Madonna/whore "my husband never touches me" hell... there definitely are marriages where one of the partners loses the drive for sex (I covered them here), and I have known a few, but there are also ones where decades in the partners still maintain a very healthy sex life and sexual appetite for one another. Almost seems like it's roughly half-half from what I have seen.

I had a 44 y/o cleaning lady with a grown kid in East Asia who was picking up some food from the market for me and rather than money accepted a bunch of extra condoms I had in exchange because her husband and her had just run out. Just from knowing that cleaning lady and knowing a bit about how her kid was raised, I am 97.5% sure she was an Ultra Tiger Mom, but she also never stopped having plenty of sex with her husband either. You will find examples like this all over Asia if you look... but it does require talking to married middle-aged and older folks about their sex lives, which you may not want to do

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

So yea I was annoyed.

Annoyed by what Alpha noted. That 'rubber hits the road' again. And there will be more of this going forward as the world transitions.

The patterns are interesting of all men

- Marriage/"Science", basically some structure for thee. Not for me.
- Compartmentalize. (Beautiful Women are harder to get)
- Women need strong men (Basically, women are free of all responsibilities. Zero accountability.)

The second one is understandable. The brain needs to do this or it will not wake up in the morning. I can respect the second one. Not so much the first one, and the third one.

And this is coming from Zac, the guy who believes that one women, is more powerful than a lot of women. But he also does not say the man is monogamous.

It is just that the enlightened men, is way too overpowered that he is focus on life. And women, both main chick and side chicks/harem, becomes his consumption, as a benefit, not the main life goal.

But yea.. There's no truth but Power.

My hair going Kim Jong Un, if Girlschase members keep doing this. Where they don't care about some level of structure of society. I mean, like I get it. Who decides the laws of society. But then, they start talking about science and marriage, which basically goes against what is everything that is holding that house.

This place kinda let me down sometimes, but to solve Woke-ism, men needs to strive to see himself. I don't think he is ready, yet.

z@c+

 

[Alpha13SC]

- Women need strong men (Basically, women are free of all responsibilities. Zero accountability.)

So yeah, I got quoted in another thread different than the Meme Series. What a twisted life.

On topic: What I was actually saying is that a man should be strong enough to cut the bullshit a woman it's putting his shoulders unnecessary and to keep her accountable for her actions/words/behavior taking the risk of actually having a fight with her(verbally of course). Because I see the pattern when one or the other is actually afraid of stepping up to not get the other upset, due to the fear of loss, which is ironic because in the end it leads to that very moment.

But yeah, this is just one side of a coin. Leadership is much more than that.