Can you have career success and still live the playboy life?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I mean career success in white collar professions and the kinds of professions that ask for a good education and life.

Everytime I hear of a guy living the life of sleeping with randoms and hot women, it is either some DJ at a nightclub, a model photographer or some guy working as a bartender or in nightlife. Rarely do I hear of a guy working for a prestigious software company, big corporation or anything white collar that would make your parents proud living this sort of a life. On one hand you have the money and everything handled but on the other, it seems like you rarely get guys from these sorts of backgrounds living that kind of a life.

Now it makes more sense to me why so many guys leave their cushy corporate job and I cannot help but wonder if women are one of the reasons.

 

[trashKENNUT]

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Zac

 

[Seppuku]

PF,

When we tried to explain why your ethnic background doesn't matter much when you become good at seduction, this was your concluding remark:

I'll give in right there, exceptions do exist. I do think that in some circumstances, you can get hot Latina girls and darker featured white girls as a Middle Eastern looking guy or a swarthy guy in general. Its just that throughout my life I noticed this trend to where a lot of hot blondes went with swarthy dudes (white or not) while I saw a ton of hot Latina and darker featured white women with the Hitler ideal.

My closing thoughts are that you are just playing in a market you're not really meant to do well in. Blond guys are meant to slay and do well with swarthy women and dark haired tanned women, darker guys are meant to clean up with hot blondes and redheads.

As always you'll face a lot more hostility if you are going after hot girls from crowds that don't idolize your look but if you have a type, well I guess when there is a will there is a way. Some Indian dude can do well with hot girls that are Latinas and Mediterranean white women who have that Monica Bellucci type of ethnic look, you're just going to have a much tougher time than if you went after Scandinavian girls and the all American blonde type.

Which, basically, says you decided that guys with such and such background can't do well with [hot blondes or whatever], and when we pointed to evidence otherwise, you concluded that this must be an exception.

Now you have decided that career success is incompatible with playboy life. And yes, even if you didn't say that explicitly, you strongly implied it.

So, whatever evidence we will write here, you can always dismiss it again as "exception".


Being a Seducer is about being the exception, in the first place.

The principal obstacle to learning being that guy, are your limiting beliefs. Beliefs can be changed, but you would need to have an open mind for that.

Seppuku

 

[Grand Pooba]

Rarely do I hear of a guy working for a prestigious software company, big corporation or anything white collar that would make your parents proud living this sort of a life. On one hand you have the money and everything handled but on the other, it seems like you rarely get guys from these sorts of backgrounds living that kind of a life.

The creator of the website you are posting on started out in the white collar world...Chase himself...

Another example that comes to mind is Lexington Steele, the porn star - he started his career in wall street for several years before shifting to porn on the suggestion of one of his girlfriends.

I could list a dozen other examples, but you still wouldn't be convinced. Ban incoming.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Not sure where we want to go with the dude's ban but I can relate to that concern for sure. Dudes like Chase and the pornstar had to leave their white collar jobs to get to where they wanted to get to. I do think that there are limitations for white collar guys in terms of living that playboy life. My success has come from dating apps and leveraging my hobbies.

One piece of advice I will give to anyone is that if you are trying to focus on your career and grow that paycheck, then getting laid better be your only other investment. I am in this situation right now and I am literally working to grow in my career on one hand while investing everything on the weekend on dating apps, nice photos and a photography hobby which is geared towards getting laid. There really isn't time to do much else like browse forums, start a personal blog or join professional groups to network in my industry.

It is literally just work from 8 to 6 on weekdays and then after that spend the rest of the time trying to stay in good shape and doing everything to get laid. I have not talked to my family in forever, grown apart from most of my old friends and do not have time to really think and reflect on other hobbies outside of those that get me laid. The shit is most definitely an investment.

 

[The Emerald Archer]

Dude just make a move already Peach. Either get a job in the nightlife industry or don't and stop complaining about it. I don't know why you think you have to outright quit your job in order to get one at a bar or wherever else there's plenty of other options you could do to engineer a lower cost of failure:

1. Get a gig on the weekends while still working a 9-5 to test the waters. Some bars might not want you to start off at weekends as a beginner and won't hire you but better to keep trying and play the numbers game until you find one that does hire you than quit.

2. Get a part-time nightlife job starting off on weeknights and get less sleep. Yes it will suck but better to get less sleep while getting your feet wet than outright leave your job and career when you don't even know if you'll like working in nightlife

3. Negotiate later start times at your job so that you can have more flexibility to stay up late during weeknights and increase your hireability in the eyes of nightlife businesses and not be sleep deprived. Yes it might be an uncomfortable conversation to have with your boss and might make you nervous but once again better that than outright quitting.

So make a decision and take action dude. You're assuming that bartending and nightlife work is something you would enjoy based on nothing but theorizing and reading on the internet. Engineer a low cost of failure first and get some data before you outright quit or just sack up and make the leap if you really think you want this. I would strongly suggest you try some other methods to engineer a lower cost of failure first, but it's your life. Just like people tell you not to quit your job to start a business until you've built it up on the side in your free time first, same philosophy applies here.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

PF,

When we tried to explain why your ethnic background doesn't matter much when you become good at seduction, this was your concluding remark:

I'll give in right there, exceptions do exist. I do think that in some circumstances, you can get hot Latina girls and darker featured white girls as a Middle Eastern looking guy or a swarthy guy in general. Its just that throughout my life I noticed this trend to where a lot of hot blondes went with swarthy dudes (white or not) while I saw a ton of hot Latina and darker featured white women with the Hitler ideal.

My closing thoughts are that you are just playing in a market you're not really meant to do well in. Blond guys are meant to slay and do well with swarthy women and dark haired tanned women, darker guys are meant to clean up with hot blondes and redheads.

As always you'll face a lot more hostility if you are going after hot girls from crowds that don't idolize your look but if you have a type, well I guess when there is a will there is a way. Some Indian dude can do well with hot girls that are Latinas and Mediterranean white women who have that Monica Bellucci type of ethnic look, you're just going to have a much tougher time than if you went after Scandinavian girls and the all American blonde type.

Which, basically, says you decided that guys with such and such background can't do well with [hot blondes or whatever], and when we pointed to evidence otherwise, you concluded that this must be an exception.

Now you have decided that career success is incompatible with playboy life. And yes, even if you didn't say that explicitly, you strongly implied it.

So, whatever evidence we will write here, you can always dismiss it again as "exception".


Being a Seducer is about being the exception, in the first place.

The principal obstacle to learning being that guy, are your limiting beliefs. Beliefs can be changed, but you would need to have an open mind for that.

Seppuku

Adding to Seppuku's comment:

I like to sit with a delicious thought that a great friend of mine told me once whenever I catch myself sitting in the middle of a limiting belief castle.

"You'll see it when you believe it."

Try that out for a little while in all aspects of your life. And if the 'you' reading this doesn't believe it, well, then you know you're certainly living with a heavy dose of 'I'll believe it when I see it.'.

Good luck.

Doc

 

[Grand Pooba]

Not sure where we want to go with the dude's ban but I can relate to that concern for sure. Dudes like Chase and the pornstar had to leave their white collar jobs to get to where they wanted to get to. I do think that there are limitations for white collar guys in terms of living that playboy life. My success has come from dating apps and leveraging my hobbies.

One piece of advice I will give to anyone is that if you are trying to focus on your career and grow that paycheck, then getting laid better be your only other investment. I am in this situation right now and I am literally working to grow in my career on one hand while investing everything on the weekend on dating apps, nice photos and a photography hobby which is geared towards getting laid. There really isn't time to do much else like browse forums, start a personal blog or join professional groups to network in my industry.

It is literally just work from 8 to 6 on weekdays and then after that spend the rest of the time trying to stay in good shape and doing everything to get laid. I have not talked to my family in forever, grown apart from most of my old friends and do not have time to really think and reflect on other hobbies outside of those that get me laid. The shit is most definitely an investment.

For what its worth this is my life right now as well. Except my work hours are something like 5-9, and i travel on some weekends. But the rest of the time is just spent on working out or girls. I dont have much of a social life, and i also only go to bars once a week specifically to game...

Also - neither Chase nor Lex left the white collar life to live the playboy lifestyle, they were doing that better while they had jobs. They went the business roue for the sake of business building, not because of the playboy lifestyle...

 

[Seppuku]

For what its worth this is my life right now as well. Except my work hours are something like 5-9, and i travel on some weekends. But the rest of the time is just spent on working out or girls. I dont have much of a social life, and i also only go to bars once a week specifically to game...

Confirmed here. I was doing best when I was devoting 100% of my off-work time to getting girls. As soon as I started adding extra activities (in my case, weightlifting plus getting started with my blog) my volume of dating dropped. The solution to getting back on track, is to spend more time on getting girls, at the expense of something else.

Also - neither Chase nor Lex left the white collar life to live the playboy lifestyle, they were doing that better while they had jobs. They went the business roue for the sake of business building, not because of the playboy lifestyle...

Men derive their value from building their empire, in the first place. That's what men do. Getting girls and harems should never be a long term top priority. You've got to have a higher mission in life beyond just "I want to fuck girls". And the girls will respect you for that.

So that's why I think this career vs girls discussion doesn't make much sense. Dropping a promising corporate career to become bartender, just in the hope of getting girls? Really? Ultimately, your work on your career will pay off.

Seppuku

 

[Grand Pooba]

Men derive their value from building their empire, in the first place. That's what men do. Getting girls and harems should never be a long term top priority. You've got to have a higher mission in life beyond just "I want to fuck girls". And the girls will respect you for that.

Agreed, and you're right that girls love this.
Honestly this year I feel like I've gotten more interest from women in general, even when I'm not trying, simply because 90% of my headspace right now is on business building and career stuff. Dating and women are the #2 priority, and they exist below the #1 mission, which right now is work....
However, when women meet me now, they perk up and the whole seduction process has ironically become a lot easier, even though I'm less focused on it. Now it's more about looking out for the right signs, and then taking the correct appropriate actions to close a deal...

Dropping a promising corporate career to become bartender, just in the hope of getting girls? Really? Ultimately, your work on your career will pay off.

Agreed. Even as a bartender, you'll have very high lover value (which is great for drunk ONSs), but very little of anything else....

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

It's a bit of a mind-wrapper.

Do all these things to get girls, that's why you're here.

Realize that getting girls isn't everything and focus on other things.

Get more girls because you're a man on a mission with passive value bumps from your initial hard work.

 

[Grand Pooba]

It's a bit of a mind-wrapper.

Do all these things to get girls, that's why you're here.

Realize that getting girls isn't everything and focus on other things.

Get more girls because you're a man on a mission with passive value bumps from your initial hard work.

I'd revise this slightly, but overall it's a great summary Dr. M:

1. Do all these things to learn how to get girls and understand what they want, that's why you're here.

2. Realize that getting girls isn't everything and focus on other things.

3. Get more girls because you're a man on a mission with passive value bumps from your initial hard work, and you know how to see/act on opportunities with women.

 

[Mr.Rob]

1. Do all these things to learn how to get girls and understand what they want, that's why you're here.

2. Realize that getting girls isn't everything and focus on other things.

3. Get more girls because you're a man on a mission with passive value bumps from your initial hard work, and you know how to see/act on opportunities with women

+100

Its always silly when I see guys stuck in the PUA mold always going out and never progressing past that stage and they make that one silo of their life the main event.

Men doing gangster shit with their lives have many silo's that they're excited about that make up a holistic interesting and purposeful life.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

. Get more girls because you're a man on a mission with passive value bumps from your initial hard work, and you know how to see/act on opportunities with women.

Love this edition.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Its not just about getting girls, the bartender lifestyle is about a lot more than that, the access to a party life and the opportunity to be a part of a nightlife scene you cannot otherwise be without working there. I have tried and looked so far and it is extremely tough to even get a chance at a decent bar.

I honestly do see the reasoning in throwing away a nice corporate career for a player lifestyle because a corporate career does not grant that lifestyle. In fact I would argue that rarely do you see the corporate types living that kind of a life. I think we should be more transparent and honest with ourselves about what we want. A guy working in nightlife or similar scenes has access to a lot of hot women who are party hungry and want to have fun, a guy not working in nightlife lacks that access. The issue for the corporate guys is access, that is the big issue that we have to work to solve.

So yes, I do want to find a way to break into nightlife part time.

 

[The Emerald Archer]

Its not just about getting girls, the bartender lifestyle is about a lot more than that, the access to a party life and the opportunity to be a part of a nightlife scene you cannot otherwise be without working there. I have tried and looked so far and it is extremely tough to even get a chance at a decent bar.

I honestly do see the reasoning in throwing away a nice corporate career for a player lifestyle because a corporate career does not grant that lifestyle. In fact I would argue that rarely do you see the corporate types living that kind of a life. I think we should be more transparent and honest with ourselves about what we want. A guy working in nightlife or similar scenes has access to a lot of hot women who are party hungry and want to have fun, a guy not working in nightlife lacks that access. The issue for the corporate guys is access, that is the big issue that we have to work to solve.

So yes, I do want to find a way to break into nightlife part time.

Ok man you're clearly very rigid in your way of thinking to the point that nothing anybody says over the internet is going to change your mind. If you really think that the only way to have a party lifestyle and to be popular in the nightlife scene is to be working in it then why do you make these posts...

Clearly nothing we say is going to change your mind so I don't see the sense in asking questions like "is it possible blah blah blah" when you already think it's not and refuse to open your mind to other ways of thinking about it. You're just wasting everyone's time.

If you think the only way to live the party lifestyle after college is to work in the nightlife industry and not the corporate world then why don't you get on with it and make the leap already...

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

I can relate to thinking very rigidly like OP.

You have two options:

1. Figure out how to break through that mold through various techniques.
2. Use the rigid thinking to create a rigid outcome and with the new understandings you see through the rigidity and enhance upon your lifestyle.

I had to use number 2.

It's tough to know how to do something without naturally experiencing it...

Doc

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Sometimes I post a thread like this in the hopes that someone who has managed to pull this shit off comes in and tells me how they did it. I wish we had some nightlife guidance on this thread or at least some sort of feedback from guys who have worked in that industry, it is driving me insane not being able to get a job in there.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

Woah.

I'm your guy...

Ill write up a post on what you seek. Helps me practice writing content (something I'm pursuing now).

What would you like to learn? Give me a title to this post.

Doc

 

[The Emerald Archer]

Doc,

Everytime I hear of a guy living the life of sleeping with randoms and hot women, it is either some DJ at a nightclub, a model photographer or some guy working as a bartender or in nightlife. Rarely do I hear of a guy working for a prestigious software company, big corporation or anything white collar that would make your parents proud living this sort of a life. On one hand you have the money and everything handled but on the other, it seems like you rarely get guys from these sorts of backgrounds living that kind of a life.

First op posts this, clearly stating that it's about women and sleeping with lots of them and thinks the only way to do so is to not be in the corporate world. After a bunch of responses from guys whose personal experiences directly contradict that way of thinking he then posts this:

Its not just about getting girls, the bartender lifestyle is about a lot more than that, the access to a party life and the opportunity to be a part of a nightlife scene you cannot otherwise be without working there. I have tried and looked so far and it is extremely tough to even get a chance at a decent bar.

then..

Sometimes I post a thread like this in the hopes that someone who has managed to pull this shit off comes in and tells me how they did it. I wish we had some nightlife guidance on this thread or at least some sort of feedback from guys who have worked in that industry, it is driving me insane not being able to get a job in there.

Op now says it's not just about banging hot chicks but now it's about being a part of the nightlife scene as a worker directly contradicting what he originally said... then talks about seeing if someone has pulled off having a corporate career and living life a as playboy after people already weighed in and said yes contradicting himself once more... how is that type of thinking useful Doc?

It's tough to know how to do something without naturally experiencing it...

I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say here... The purpose of my responses was to get him to acquire experience by taking actionable steps so that he wouldn't have to outright quit his job first without having acquired the experience of working in nightlife to even see if it's everything he thinks it is in line with what he originally posted. In order to acquire experience you have to take action. OP hasn't done that he's posted the same topic repeatedly with different thread titles and has just complained about things...

Anyways I'm out. I don't think anything I post can help op seeing as how he doesn't seem to want help, only to confirm his existing biases and beliefs.