Can you have career success and still live the playboy life?

[Richard]

Sometimes I post a thread like this in the hopes that someone who has managed to pull this shit off comes in and tells me how they did it. I wish we had some nightlife guidance on this thread or at least some sort of feedback from guys who have worked in that industry, it is driving me insane not being able to get a job in there.

You're so misguided, my friend =/

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

I tried.

Good luck, OP.

 

[Rain]

Men derive their value from building their empire, in the first place. That's what men do. Getting girls and harems should never be a long term top priority. You've got to have a higher mission in life beyond just "I want to fuck girls". And the girls will respect you for that.

Agreed, and you're right that girls love this.
Honestly this year I feel like I've gotten more interest from women in general, even when I'm not trying, simply because 90% of my headspace right now is on business building and career stuff. Dating and women are the #2 priority, and they exist below the #1 mission, which right now is work....
However, when women meet me now, they perk up and the whole seduction process has ironically become a lot easier, even though I'm less focused on it. Now it's more about looking out for the right signs, and then taking the correct appropriate actions to close a deal...

Dropping a promising corporate career to become bartender, just in the hope of getting girls? Really? Ultimately, your work on your career will pay off.

Agreed. Even as a bartender, you'll have very high lover value (which is great for drunk ONSs), but very little of anything else....

I watched a video by Hector where he talked about how even if you work at maccas and women don't want to date you but would sleep with you, guys like that still get tons of girls. That could help you with women if you're a loser by society standard[eg working at maccas because you're dumb]. So does he mean that, as Grand Pooba says have lots of lover value but not much else... isn't that the idea to start out as lovers and then it turns into a relationship, or is that not possible if you work at maccas/bartending forever?

Here's the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_0Ud5W2WOk
Talks about what I said from 26:40 to 27:40

 

[Grand Pooba]

I watched a video by Hector where he talked about how even if you work at maccas and women don't want to date you but would sleep with you, guys like that still get tons of girls. That could help you with women if you're a loser by society standard[eg working at maccas because you're dumb]. So does he mean that, as Grand Pooba says have lots of lover value but not much else... isn't that the idea to start out as lovers and then it turns into a relationship, or is that not possible if you work at maccas/bartending forever?

Here's the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_0Ud5W2WOk
Talks about what I said from 26:40 to 27:40

Remember that women see men as generally fitting into three (four?) categories: "Lover," "Provider," "Friend," and #4 is "nothing."

The guys that Hector is talking about, as well as me, have very high lover value in general, and women see them as lovers. So women still want to sleep with those guys and they get tons of girls.
However, unless they have something to offer as providers (and show it), women don't see them that way, and consequently move on as quickly as they get into bed with these guys, most of the time anyway.

If you want to transition from a "lover" to a "provider" then you have to present this value to a girl. If you don't, she doesn't see you as an option for that category. So if you're one of these guys and you can successfully present Provider value, then great, you've got a shot at something more than just a one night thing...

The lover to provider transition is different - you're still presenting some provider value, but will behave like a lover for the sake of making the courtship process longer.

Simple Analogy:

You want to buy a car. To do this, you decide a test drive an Acura and a Lexus and a Porsche. You're looking for a luxury car on the lower end of the market and you want to keep this car for the next 5-10 years, but you've thrown the Porsche in there just for fun, because you've always wanted to try driving a Porsche, even though you've determined it's a terrible model for you to buy (too expensive, too maintenance heavy, and doesn't hold resale as well over time). But, you know the Acura and Lexus, either one, would fit all your requirements, so the test drive is both fun and for a purpose; but for the Porsche, it's just for fun.

The Porsche dealer is hoping that you test drive the car in hopes of buying it, but you're already decided that it's not feasible for you and you don't want the car in that capacity - you just want to have fun driving it once, not be stuck with it forever. The Acura or Lexus is a better choice for that...

However, it is also possible that you discover something about the Porsche during your test drive that makes it feasible to buy as well. Maybe the dealer is willing to match the price of the Acura. Maybe you've learned that they've revamped their engine to a super reliable one. Now you're viewing the car through the "maybe buy" lens rather than "test drive only" lens...

 

[Sub-Zero]

Hey Pooba,

What are some kind of jobs where you think it's OK for your game where you don't look like a complete loser like the one guy said about you saying something about working at macca?

I need an entry level job that is cool enough for me to feel confident about while I pursue other skills.

I watched a video by Hector where he talked about how even if you work at maccas and women don't want to date you but would sleep with you, guys like that still get tons of girls. That could help you with women if you're a loser by society standard[eg working at maccas because you're dumb]. So does he mean that, as Grand Pooba says have lots of lover value but not much else... isn't that the idea to start out as lovers and then it turns into a relationship, or is that not possible if you work at maccas/bartending forever?

Here's the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_0Ud5W2WOk
Talks about what I said from 26:40 to 27:40

Remember that women see men as generally fitting into three (four?) categories: "Lover," "Provider," "Friend," and #4 is "nothing."

The guys that Hector is talking about, as well as me, have very high lover value in general, and women see them as lovers. So women still want to sleep with those guys and they get tons of girls.
However, unless they have something to offer as providers (and show it), women don't see them that way, and consequently move on as quickly as they get into bed with these guys, most of the time anyway.

If you want to transition from a "lover" to a "provider" then you have to present this value to a girl. If you don't, she doesn't see you as an option for that category. So if you're one of these guys and you can successfully present Provider value, then great, you've got a shot at something more than just a one night thing...

The lover to provider transition is different - you're still presenting some provider value, but will behave like a lover for the sake of making the courtship process longer.

Simple Analogy:

You want to buy a car. To do this, you decide a test drive an Acura and a Lexus and a Porsche. You're looking for a luxury car on the lower end of the market and you want to keep this car for the next 5-10 years, but you've thrown the Porsche in there just for fun, because you've always wanted to try driving a Porsche, even though you've determined it's a terrible model for you to buy (too expensive, too maintenance heavy, and doesn't hold resale as well over time). But, you know the Acura and Lexus, either one, would fit all your requirements, so the test drive is both fun and for a purpose; but for the Porsche, it's just for fun.

The Porsche dealer is hoping that you test drive the car in hopes of buying it, but you're already decided that it's not feasible for you and you don't want the car in that capacity - you just want to have fun driving it once, not be stuck with it forever. The Acura or Lexus is a better choice for that...

However, it is also possible that you discover something about the Porsche during your test drive that makes it feasible to buy as well. Maybe the dealer is willing to match the price of the Acura. Maybe you've learned that they've revamped their engine to a super reliable one. Now you're viewing the car through the "maybe buy" lens rather than "test drive only" lens...

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I feel like that is the catch 22 of a nice paying job such as a software engineer, banker, doctor or any sort of job that requires a lot of critical thinking and education. It is so tough for guys in that situation to escape the provider label that I think your best bet is to lie religiously about your profession. On one hand I am proud of the job I had and in the industry I am in, it pays well and I love a lot of the people I run into but to think that as soon as I talk about my job it makes me a walking ATM. To think that a club promoter or bartender can easily escape that label and be a test drive while I am stuck in a relationship just makes my skin crawl.

For me, it is critical to avoid an LTR or any sort of relationship like the plague, like she needs to be out the next morning no exceptions. I just wonder how some of the guys here who are in nice paying jobs that require college degrees and have the geeky label associated with them have managed to escape the prospect of an LTR and stick to the test drive stage.

 

[trashKENNUT]

PF,

have the geeky label associated with them have managed to escape the prospect of an LTR and stick to the test drive stage.

Mindset problem: Thinking that you have to answer every girl's question.
Practical/Skill: Just don't tell em.



But really, stop thinking about it. Go do something. You can store your concerns in a notebook like Chase noted. When you somewhat intermediate, then you can go back to your concerns and work it.

Zac

 

[Grand Pooba]

For me, it is critical to avoid an LTR or any sort of relationship like the plague, like she needs to be out the next morning no exceptions.

Hahaha, man you are funny...
So you're complaining that you can't get any girls, especially not the white girls that everyone else is getting; but if you did get a girl, you also need to avoid being intimate with her at all costs - in other words, she's only good for one night of sex and that's it, and she might not even get to sleep over.

PF - what exactly do you have to offer to women?

I feel like that is the catch 22 of a nice paying job such as a software engineer, banker, doctor or any sort of job that requires a lot of critical thinking and education. It is so tough for guys in that situation to escape the provider label that I think your best bet is to lie religiously about your profession. On one hand I am proud of the job I had and in the industry I am in, it pays well and I love a lot of the people I run into but to think that as soon as I talk about my job it makes me a walking ATM. To think that a club promoter or bartender can easily escape that label and be a test drive while I am stuck in a relationship just makes my skin crawl.

Yeah, you're looking at this the wrong away without thinking of the other side (as usual, lol). You could also be that successful banker/doctor/engineer guy who is that prize that women want to test drive. Women love high value men, period. A club bartender might have sky high value inside the club, but outside it he doesn't have much. Whereas, the successful career guy, he's going to have some value in the club, and massive value outside the club.

Just like a girl in a club might want to take the sexy bartender out for a spin, there are also women in cities who look for and enjoy the thrill of being with a high value career guy, even just for a night. I've seen this a lot and have also experienced it - a girl will sleep quickly with a career guy because she wants that adventure/fantasy.

This LR is a great example: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18973

Now, what is true is that you might face the Investment-Attainability double bind pretty often because a girl will BF zone you, but there are also lots of ways to avoid this that Chase has covered all throughout GirlsChase....