Can You Skip The Kiss During Escalation?

[James D]

Perhaps it's because the majority (if not all) the girls I've been meeting are Asian...

But I've been running into a lot of resistance to kissing attempts.

I was talking to a buddy of mine who's a natural and meets girls in the same university as I do.

He spoke of this weird date he'd been on with this cute Asian chick.

They were in the dormitary lounge, just the two of them, late at night.

She would let him touch her anywhere.

Boobs, legs, pussy.

He even fingered her and she sucked her wetness off his fingers.

She admitted she was horny af...

But whenever he would try to kiss her, she put mountains of resistance.

My buddy eventually thought "Screw that" and led her to his room.

Tried kissing her too.

No chance.

So he turned her, bent her over, yanked her panties down.

No resistance.

She just waited there, a big smile on her face.

He proceeded to have sex with her and the next morning.

Now she's all over him (no surprise there lol)

But his story got me thinking about how, for some girls, kissing is a really big deal. And it makes them really nervous.

Instead of dealing with scads of resistance, why not circumvent kissing as part of the escalation process?

Is it a step that cannot be missed?

Curious what you guys think

 

[mist]

i asked this too as kissing sorta freaks me out as well/I have little interest in it.

every seducers i talked to told me

"Pretty much every time i laid a girl kissing occurred at some point."

whether you are a pua who looks at it as a tool

romantic who could suck face all day

or average shmoyo who would kill for one

it's just a natural thing a pretty regular part of courtship.

I've heard of dudes who just kiss necks rather than lips, but have to test that

I think the hypnotist crowd maybe but we don't have trance seducers on here.

Sorta an easy natural escalation towards sex and getting even handsier

heard of dance floor dudes who fingered/fucked on dance floor but the legends of dance floor seduction are pretty much only with @Skills here and most his time is spent discussing texting/relationship management as dancefloor seduction is NICHE

if you want consistency you're gonna be kissing girls it seems

of course asvanced guys and situations like your friends may shake that, but those are outside the norm.

Read the lay reports here. You'll find barely any with no kiss involved in the escalation

 

[TomInHo]

I've fucked a lot of girls without kissing them.... pre sex at least. Have had some interesting situations where the girl and I had our first kiss after the first round of sex. Or kiss them for the very first time when I was already inside them

Some girls don't actually like to kiss and consider it "too intimate" as crazy as that may sound

But how I have done it was either through escalating with a massage, or if compliance was high giving verbal commands, or kissing everywhere on their body except their lips

Kissing is still a very natural way to begin escalating to sex but it's not the only way you can stimulate a woman and make her aroused enough to fuck

 

[Skills]

Perhaps it's because the majority (if not all) the girls I've been meeting are Asian...

But I've been running into a lot of resistance to kissing attempts.

I was talking to a buddy of mine who's a natural and meets girls in the same university as I do.

He spoke of this weird date he'd been on with this cute Asian chick.

They were in the dormitary lounge, just the two of them, late at night.

She would let him touch her anywhere.

Boobs, legs, pussy.

He even fingered her and she sucked her wetness off his fingers.

She admitted she was horny af...

But whenever he would try to kiss her, she put mountains of resistance.

My buddy eventually thought "Screw that" and led her to his room.

Tried kissing her too.

No chance.

So he turned her, bent her over, yanked her panties down.

No resistance.

She just waited there, a big smile on her face.

He proceeded to have sex with her and the next morning.

Now she's all over him (no surprise there lol)

But his story got me thinking about how, for some girls, kissing is a really big deal. And it makes them really nervous.

Instead of dealing with scads of resistance, why not circumvent kissing as part of the escalation process?

Is it a step that cannot be missed?

Curious what you guys think

To answer your question yes you can have sex without kissing, but kissing is for some girls super high investment, for example a lot of prostitutes/escort won't kiss you, cause they don't want to get in their feelings...... My point is it could be that girl did not want to let go and get attached (a form of her of protecting herself)..... It could be the way went your friend went about kissing creeped her out a bit, or cause asd, the way i do my kissing is i do micro moves, and i put her in a bubble and i have her be the one that want to kiss me, but i do a lot of sexual tension..... It also could be that she had a man/bf, and she felt everything else did not count but kissing (to backward rationalize it did not happen we did not kiss).... it could be paranoid about herpes or something like that....It could be bad breath on the dude/or her, one time a girl did not want to kiss me, months later when i was analizing things she told me i had a black bean of my teeth i did not know about.... Some guys don't want to kiss to not kill tension (i never really had this issue cause of the way i go about kissing similar to glow)... I personally kiss most girls i sleep with but is not the sloppy make outs is something totally different,but i have slept with couple of girls with no kissing (less than 5 tbh) read this post for context:

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[Skills]

heard of dance floor dudes who fingered/fucked on dance floor but the legends of dance floor seduction are pretty much only with @Skills here and most his time is spent discussing texting/relationship management as dancefloor seduction is NICHE

fingering on dance floor for me is meh...

 

[Chad Tyrone]

Could back up what Skills says . First time going through the post I wrote it off as bad breathfrom either of them...but most likely the chick lol .

Anyway, yeah you could shag girls hardly kissing them during the escalation.Once had a same-day lay where a chick was all weird.Refused me touching her at all, could only let me suck her left boob but not her right one, would let me finger her but didn't want me to take her panties off despite her being so into it .

Heck she grabbed my dick and put it in her raw.Went rounds regardless hardly taking any piece of clothing off her.Usually like it that way at times...feels good your dick going into something while hardly "seeing" what's happening lol,at least for me.

Anyway all to say that whatever a chick does that is usually out of the norm from what you have done with other chicks (eg her refusing me to touch her etc) shouldn't stop you from progressing with the escalation.


Your main aim during escalation should be vaginal penetration .You could do without most stuff at higher levels.Not to brag but guess I'm sexy enough to go without touch or less of it and still get the girl.

Don't want to derail the discussion any so that's all

Chad Tyrone

 

[Will_V]

I've had the same thing with asian girls, they often will not kiss, I just put my hands on them, take their clothes off, and we get down to business.

I noticed one time a girl had really horrible breath when we were doing adapted missionary, but whether that's the reason all time I don't know.

Seems to be something of a cultural thing.

 

[TomInHo]

I've had the same thing with asian girls, they often will not kiss, I just put my hands on them, take their clothes off, and we get down to business.

I noticed one time a girl had really horrible breath when we were doing adapted missionary, but whether that's the reason all time I don't know.

Seems to be something of a cultural thing.

Wait a minute... When I think about it a lot of the girls I fucked without kissing were asian lol

You might be on to something

 

[Chase]

Yeah, it's a known thing with Asian girls resisting kissing but accepting sex.

Certainly not all of them... but some of them will. I had a high-count black girl I pulled once do it too; went to kiss her and she just said, "I don't really like kissing, so you don't have to." I was like, well, fine with me! Let's get to it then! She kissed me on her own in the morning though.

I had another girl who claimed to not like kissing, and would resist kissing during sex. I commanded her to open her mouth so I could kiss her for a bit during missionary; she complied; then as soon as we were making out + fucking she got incredibly turned on and wild. Afterwards I asked her, "I thought you didn't like kissing?" and she just shrugged. She still did not want to kiss me after that!

Isn't there a scene in Pretty Woman where they're talking about how hookers aren't supposed to kiss their johns because a kiss is more intimate than sex?

That's long been my going explanation for chicks who won't kiss you... "It's too intimate. Let's just have sex instead."

Well, fine by me...

Chase

 

[Chase]

@James D,

Instead of dealing with scads of resistance, why not circumvent kissing as part of the escalation process?

Is it a step that cannot be missed?

Curious what you guys think

The alternate way to escalate is kisses on her neck, face, jaw, chest, breasts, etc., while avoiding mouth kisses.

Works just fine. If she wants to kiss on the mouth you will know it.

Chase

 

[James D]

Thanks everyone for your responses!

I'll start testing with alternate places to kiss and we'll see how it goes

 

[Marty]

I once had a similar situation with a Tinder date, a Kazakh girl in town for a few days for a conference. We met at the airport, I showed her the town a little, then led her to my home… she made a few unconvincing noises about “where are we going” etc., then literally said she never visits a man’s apartment just as she was crossing the threshold into mine. Anyway, she wouldn’t kiss, but seemed aroused, so I quickly gave up and started escalating physically instead, leading to sex—twice.

I later found out that she had refused to kiss because she was a dentist and knew exactly what bacteria are in people’s mouths.

 

[Bo Diddley]

I once had a similar situation with a Tinder date, a Kazakh girl in town for a few days for a conference. We met at the airport, I showed her the town a little, then led her to my home… she made a few unconvincing noises about “where are we going” etc., then literally said she never visits a man’s apartment just as she was crossing the threshold into mine. Anyway, she wouldn’t kiss, but seemed aroused, so I quickly gave up and started escalating physically instead, leading to sex—twice.

I later found out that she had refused to kiss because she was a dentist and knew exactly what bacteria are in people’s mouths.

LOLZ that's like a nurse who refuses to have sex because she knows what inside your body. I have yet to meet such a nurse.